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[sha ah]

I believe that some of Iran's aircrafts are simply too old. Airframes can only last for so long. Recently an Iranian J-7 crashed. I mean yes it happens, recently in the Mohave desert, an F-18 crashed, but still imo Iran needs some modern flanker variants with technology transfers. Some of those older airframes are simply at the end of their lifecycles. It's a miracle they've been able to keep them going for so long already.

Iran has made the right choice investing heavily in missile technology and UAVs. In the future UAVs will become more maneuverable. Once they can fly as fast as fighter jets, dispense flares, use counter measures, they'll basically be unmanned fighter jets. The US is already working on such platforms. It's definitely the future.

The war in Ukraine has taught the world a few things regarding modern combat.

Air defense systems are significantly more important than air-to-air combat aircraft
Drones are essential for combat missions, and for laser/guided artillery. Drones significantly reduce the need for air-to-ground combat aircraft
Laser/guided artillery reduce the need for air-to-ground combat aircraft
Accurate ballistic missiles (like the Iskander, or the Iranian Fateh) significantly reduce the need for air-to-ground combat aircraft
Combat aircrafts biggest role is supporting ground operations and shooting cruise missiles and other guided munitions. Basically mobile cruise missile launchers.

The Russians are using SU-25's, SU-24's, and SU-34's... More than anything, 25's and 24's. The other significant piece of aviation is the KA-52 helicopter.

What that means is for Iran, is that they need 4/5 pieces of aviation. They shouldn't invest anything significant in this area. Just upgrades and the ability to manufacture. Again, this will require Russia to give Iran the build specs for the SU-22, SU-25, and the AL-21 engine.

Kowsars (light attack)
SU-22's (bomb/missile truck)
SU-25's (ground support)
F4's (bomb/missile truck)
Toufan/Panha 2091 helicopters

It flies Mach 2.1, with a service ceiling of 50,000 feet (SU-24 is 36,000 feet... SU-34 is 56,000 feet). Can now fire precision guided bombs, cruise missiles (with 15km range), and Yasin glide bombs which have a 50km range.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran needs some modern flanker variants with technology transfers. Some of those older airframes are simply at the end of their lifecycles. It's a miracle they've been able to keep them going for so long already.

are you sure you want flankers with outdated avionics which can't even complete against F-14
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Algeria Wants To Return Russian Fighter Jets

Algeria has demanded that Moscow take back several MiG fighter jets supplied under a major arms deal because of quality concerns.

www.mbtmag.com

I could not find the original report , but it say when they looked closer to the airplanes they received from Russia some of them had parts inside them which were under load at least 10-15 years

 

[sha ah]

Iraqi F-16 destroys mobile ISIS ammunition depot in the desert. Several ISIS fighters killed.

https://southfront.org/iraqi-army-shares-footage-showing-aftermath-of-strike-on-mobile-ammunition-depot-of-isis/

A Jordanian Grob G 120tp training aircraft crashed near the Syrian border killing 2 pilots

 

[sha ah]

Did you read the article ? This is just a political game. The Algerians couldn't even pay their Soviet era debts and so worked out a new deal with Russia for the MIGs. I doubt they've even paid for them yet. As they say you get what you pay for. This is likely due to pressure from the west/France.

The flanker has a long track record and is a very reliable aircraft. Some variants are pretty advanced and avionics / radar and such can always be upgraded. So what are you saying Iran fly F-4s and J-7s for another 20 years ? Come on Iran needs a few dozen just to keep the airforce going. It's either that the J-10 or build more F-5s, but the F-5 is a light aircraft.

Yeah the F-14, fully loaded with 6 Phoenix missiles and upgraded avionics/radar is still a jet to be reckoned with.

From the website:

Some commentators said that pressure from France, which wants to sell its Rafale jets to Algeria, could also be a factor behind Algeria's reported rejection of the MiGs.

Andrei Maslov, head of a Russian think-tank specializing in African studies, Rosafroexpertiza, said that Algeria could be tempted to purchase French jets as a complement to booming energy sales to France. ''The money spent on Rafales would be just a fraction of what it will earn by selling gas to France,'' said Maslov.

are you sure you want flankers with outdated avionics which can't even complete against F-14
.

Algeria Wants To Return Russian Fighter Jets

Algeria has demanded that Moscow take back several MiG fighter jets supplied under a major arms deal because of quality concerns.

www.mbtmag.com

I could not find the original report , but it say when they looked closer to the airplanes they received from Russia some of them had parts inside them which were under load at least 10-15 years

are you sure you want flankers with outdated avionics which can't even complete against F-14
.

Algeria Wants To Return Russian Fighter Jets

Algeria has demanded that Moscow take back several MiG fighter jets supplied under a major arms deal because of quality concerns.

www.mbtmag.com

 

[drmeson]

I will soon do a thread with slides on future IRIAF/IRGCF/AD/E-warfare. Evidently, Iran is moving towards an integrated defense doctrine so these forces will work in a highly connected way in future.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

I will soon do a thread with slides on future IRIAF/IRGCF/AD/E-warfare. Evidently, Iran is moving towards an integrated defense doctrine so these forces will work in a highly connected way in future.

It's been a long time since I say that they do it more and more

They want the kowsar to be related to drones. New Kowsar will have artificial intelligence. I had read a little news that said that scientist teams are working to make Kowsar an unmanned plane.

Iran is working hard to pass the stages and go to the 6th generation of combat aircraft. He know that China, Russians, USA works on the 6th generation so Iran will pass over the 5th generation and that will suckle and the whole world.

And for the Kowsar, a general said for 1 year that the SAEGHE and the old F-5 will have been going to KOWSAR standards. Lots of surprise to come who come and shake people from this forum

 

[drmeson]

It's been a long time since I say that they do it more and more

They want the kowsar to be related to drones. New Kowsar will have artificial intelligence. I had read a little news that said that scientist teams are working to make Kowsar an unmanned plane.

Iran is working hard to pass the stages and go to the 6th generation of combat aircraft. He know that China, Russians, USA works on the 6th generation so Iran will pass over the 5th generation and that will suckle and the whole world.

And for the Kowsar, a general said for 1 year that the SAEGHE and the old F-5 will have been going to KOWSAR standards. Lots of surprise to come who come and shake people from this forum

Not sure about the rest but what has actually been confirmed in recent times in Air international is that IRIAF/IRGCAF/Airdefence have recently started using the centralized GCI (Ground Controlled Interception) strategy in which Interceptor fighters and air defense batteries are connected through datalinks from a centralized system (origin at Khatam al Anbiya base). This system takes input from a series of extra long-range radars like OTHR Sepeher, Nazir, and mobile ASR AESA etc process this information, links it to an integrated interception group. Like if there are 4 x F-14AM + 4 x Kowsar + 2 MIG-29 + 1 x S-300 + 2 x Bavar-373 in the area then they will all be working in a layered way towards dealing with the threat, like the many arms of one single brain instead of IRIAF, IRGC all playing their own games. The way they are integrating Kaman-22 and Shahed Saegheh, may be they will become part of this system too. Recently IRIAF has officially said that soon they will unveil airborne long-range radar Drones like unmanned AWACS/SIGNIT.

also F-14AM and Kowsar both use MIL-STD-1553 Architecture. If we can churn out next generation of 4+ gen Kowsar and get more MIG-29SMT/MIG-35 airframes, this integrated interception group will be nearly invincible.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Did you read the article ? This is just a political game. The Algerians couldn't even pay their Soviet era debts and so worked out a new deal with Russia for the MIGs. I doubt they've even paid for them yet. As they say you get what you pay for. This is likely due to pressure from the west/France.

The flanker has a long track record and is a very reliable aircraft. Some variants are pretty advanced and avionics / radar and such can always be upgraded. So what are you saying Iran fly F-4s and J-7s for another 20 years ? Come on Iran needs a few dozen just to keep the airforce going. It's either that the J-10 or build more F-5s, but the F-5 is a light aircraft.

Yeah the F-14, fully loaded with 6 Phoenix missiles and upgraded avionics/radar is still a jet to be reckoned with.

From the website:

Some commentators said that pressure from France, which wants to sell its Rafale jets to Algeria, could also be a factor behind Algeria's reported rejection of the MiGs.

Andrei Maslov, head of a Russian think-tank specializing in African studies, Rosafroexpertiza, said that Algeria could be tempted to purchase French jets as a complement to booming energy sales to France. ''The money spent on Rafales would be just a fraction of what it will earn by selling gas to France,'' said Maslov.

if Algeria could not pay mig-29 price how they are supposed to pay for rafale so the reason was France pressure is really strange.
and which flanker come with modern avionic except last generation of Su-35 .russia even had to downgrade Mig-35 from AESA to PESA because they could not produce enough AESA radar

 

[SalarHaqq]

?? while it's clear you have no love for china and is underestimating chinese capabilities and training but, china has more confidence than iran has ever had. china is playing a large and long game with the us across the world while your most important scientists continue to have "accidents" in broad daylight and your ships get outright seized on the high seas. china was at that point once too, see the yinhe incident, but its unthinkable currently. the us does all these things to you and all iran did was seize a south korean tanker, you dont ever dare to stand up directly to the master behind the strings, must be this "inferiority complex" you're talking about.

also those "zones" are adiz and economic zones, they are international space, and nations are free to overfly/sail through them, they are merely a notification that you will be watched and possibly intercepted. what is considered ts to varying degreeerritory and sovereign is the 12 miles of waters from land/islands and the response there was to militarized them. in fact china said they would not militarize them unless provoked to, and they did exactly that when the US sailed by them. there has been no such close crossing by these armed islands since the constructed was largely complete. the us and its lackies want to play chicken in the international waters? well the response is china will too built towards the capabilities to do the same in their backyard, see the current trip across the pacific islands, and the various spy ships near Australia as well as the break down of the RoC and Japanese air forces under the weight of the sheer numbers of chinese flights towards and in their adiz, to the degree that they publicly announced that they will no longer escort all chinese military flights into their adiz because of air frame and pilot fatigue.

and for the record, just because the us and its lackies find a interception by russia or china to be "unprofessional" does not make it so, and one should not think so by default unless you are a us lackie yourself and take their side in the absence of any evidence. and these interceptions work, modern chinese territorial space is one of the few places the us doesn't dare to fly drones and whatever into on a daily basis, which is much more than any country in the middle east could say.

Just so you know, statements issued by currently active users here seldom reflect the standpoint of Iranian authorities, especially of the revolutionary core of the system. Apart from a few exceptions, they tend to be influenced to varying degrees by views typical of the exiled opposition or of the domestic liberal fifth column, both of which are apologetic towards the west.

What anti-imperialist would proceed to outright bashing China or Russia for not doing as much as Iran has done against the American empire? At least the former two are contributing to the cause, unlike other nations. So while constructive criticism might be deemed acceptable, aggressivity bordering on hostility certainly shouldn't.

Revolutionary-minded Iranians are not only filled with joy at every new step China takes against Washingon, but also glad to notice the strategic setback suffered by the US regime in the South China Sea as well as the fact that even to western experts, there's no winning a direct battle there for Washington, be it today let alone in years to come when Beijing's inevitably going to equal and then surpass the US in conventional firepower, whether under Xi or any potential successor.

So I'd advise against taking the bait of contrasting Iran and China in a confrontational manner. Whether or not they believe Iran has been more adamant in its struggle versus the common enemy, whether or not they are critical of Beijing on specific past dealings with Iran, revolutionaries still wholeheartedly support China in everything it does to rein in and push back the criminal US regime.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Not sure about the rest but what has actually been confirmed in recent times in Air international is that IRIAF/IRGCAF/Airdefence have recently started using the centralized GCI (Ground Controlled Interception) strategy in which Interceptor fighters and air defense batteries are connected through datalinks from a centralized system (origin at Khatam al Anbiya base). This system takes input from a series of extra long-range radars like OTHR Sepeher, Nazir, and mobile ASR AESA etc process this information, links it to an integrated interception group. Like if there are 4 x F-14AM + 4 x Kowsar + 2 MIG-29 + 1 x S-300 + 2 x Bavar-373 in the area then they will all be working in a layered way towards dealing with the threat, like the many arms of one single brain instead of IRIAF, IRGC all playing their own games. The way they are integrating Kaman-22 and Shahed Saegheh, may be they will become part of this system too. Recently IRIAF has officially said that soon they will unveil airborne long-range radar Drones like unmanned AWACS/SIGNIT.

also F-14AM and Kowsar both use MIL-STD-1553 Architecture. If we can churn out next generation of 4+ gen Kowsar and get more MIG-29SMT/MIG-35 airframes, this integrated interception group will be nearly invincible.

Iran advances very quickly in artificial intelligence and radars. Iranian scientists will go further than 4+ very quickly. We know very well that Iran is much more advanced than their public statements. We also know that Iran hides weapons never presented to the public that will be used in wartime. I can't wait to find out more about the single -seater Kowsar version

 

[drmeson]

Iran advances very quickly in artificial intelligence and radars. Iranian scientists will go further than 4+ very quickly. We know very well that Iran is much more advanced than their public statements. We also know that Iran hides weapons never presented to the public that will be used in wartime. I can't wait to find out more about the single -seater Kowsar version

Confirmed Airforce related tech that we have actual evidence of is following:

1) Two types of Look Down shoot down fighter jet Fire control radars have been shown
- Bayyenat-I in F-4E, similar to JL-10A of JH-7A (Kish Airshow, Bushehr Squadron)
- Bayyenat-II in Kowsar, ditto of Grifo-346
2) 4.0 Generation Avionics suite (Kowsar)
3) MIL-STD-1553 based data linking
4) GCI coordinated battle group integrated approach of Fighters/LORADS/SHORADS
5) Inputs come from Long-range OTHR Search radars that can literally detect fighters flying over Syria and Saudi Arabia. Max range is in thousands.
6) Tracking comes from Engagement radars of fighters and GCI radars like Hafez of Mersad system or Meraj-4 (both are 350-400 km for fighter size target)
7) Near future, UAV-AWACS/SIGINT will accompany this group. Probably Kaman-22 based or may be Shahid Saegheh???

What we need is to get the F-14AM numbers upto 50 to raise 4 squadrons, arm them Fakours, get MIG-29 9.12A upgraded to M2/SMT standard with R-77AE. Add Next Generation Kowsar to this layer with AESA radars.

 

[jauk]

Just so you know, statements issued by users here seldom reflect the standpoint of Iranian authorities, especially of the revolutionary core of the system. Apart from two or three exceptions, they tend to be influenced to varying degrees by views typical of the exiled opposition or of the domestic liberal fifth column, both of which are apologetic towards the west.

What anti-imperialist would proceed to outright bashing China or Russia for not doing as much as Iran has done against the American empire? At least the former two are contributing to the struggle, unlike other nations. So while constructive criticism might be deemed acceptable, aggressivity bordering on hostility certainly shouldn't.

Revolutionary-minded Iranians are not only filled with joy at every new step China takes against Washingon, but also glad to notice the strategic setback of the US regime in the South China Sea and the fact that even to western experts, there's no winning a direct battle there for Washington, even today let alone in the years to come when Beijing's inevitably going to equal and then surpass the US in conventional power, whether under Xi or any potential successor.

So I'd advise against taking the bait and contrasting Iran and China in a confrontational manner. Whether or not they believe Iran has been more adamant in its confrontation versus the common enemy, revolutionaries wholeheartedly support China in everything it does to rein in and push back the criminal US regime.

I agree. Good for China and Russia. Iran has its own 'Taiwanese' right here in the forum knowingly or unknowingly not only parroting the standard storyline but referencing clearly negative sources (under the dubious banner of 'straight talk'). It's hard or undesirable for them to break out of the fishbowl they're wallowing in.

 

[drmeson]

I agree. Good for China and Russia. Iran has its own 'Taiwanese' right here in the forum knowingly or unknowingly not only parroting the standard storyline but referencing clearly negative sources (under the dubious banner of 'straight talk'). It's hard or undesirable for them to break out of the fishbowl they're wallowing in.

Who are you pointing towards ?

 

[Stryker1982]

Who are you pointing towards ?

I don't know who he's pointing towards but people like this are common in the stock markets, always a bull but never keeping an ear open for the bear thesis. It's not good to be dismiss things you don't like simply cause you don't like them.

 

[jauk]

Who are you pointing towards ?

I’m referring to the typical Iranians who aspire to the West who are obvious here. Plus the whiners tag team of course.

I don't know who he's pointing towards but people like this are common in the stock markets, always a bull but never keeping an ear open for the bear thesis. It's not good to be dismiss things you don't like simply cause you don't like them.

Shaking the tree always works!