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[Hack-Hook]

Come on man, sidewinder fired from a drone that lacks radar is a joke and not a threat to a modern fighter jet maybe another drone.

Radar is not the only solution to find target for a heat seeking missile and no other drone in Iran inventory can reach the speed of karrar the next ones are Arash and shahed 171 that have between half to 1/3rd the speed of karrar . so they are not that suitable for the role.

by the way if they went and installed a gun on the drone they probably think somehow they can detect aerial target and lock on them .for example infra Red. by what I see Karrar now have drone hunting capabilities something that yet to be shown by Quds aviation drones don't forget during the Zolfaqar 99 military drill in Jask, it was Karrar that had successfully tracked three American drones (types RQ-4, MQ-9, P-8) and forced them to leave the drills' public area.

another example of HESA capabilities is Ababil drone armed with Diamond missile that make it quiet dangerous to enemy armor .
to me the only thing they are behind is low radar cross section and it seems they are working on that

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah, I don't know what the hell is going on here, at least 10+ years and nothing to show for it?

whats go ing on is that in the last 1o years the drone was on a shelf and the resources were diverted to somewhere else and now some one there decided to divert some resources to the program.
in short RQ-170 happened and they stopped this project and put all the eggs on that basket but now they wan't something more and that Flying wing design shows its limitation that design is good for a strike drone or reconnaissance one but my guess is that they want to have something like "Dark Sword" and flying wing is not that suitable for that

 

[WudangMaster]

Sofreh Mahi project is over 12 years old. To be a scale toy RC? Just embarrassing.

Like I said IRGC Aviation could run circles around HESA if they wanted to devote the resources.

I just fully realized that the RQ-170 derivatives was completely IRGC project and that HESA or MOD or others had absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever and there doesn't seem to be any sharing going on at all in certain places, either because IRGC is holding back or a particular Artesh branch is being too arrogant to ask for help/tech.
So all this time I assumed that sofre mahi was completely cancelled once the rq170 fell into Iran's hands; instead I fully realize now that IRGC made this own project only and that Artesh has continued to work on sofre mahi THE ENTIRE TIEME and at this rate of progress, this is quite dismal indeed!
I assumed with the kind of sharing that happens between Artesh Air Defense Forces & Navy and IRGC that something similar might be happening with IRIAF on some level but it seems now that these two entities are as far apart as though they in foreign countries!
So to reiterate, either IRGC does not want to share the Shahed 171 or Artesh never had the sense to cancel sofre mahi and to try to buy shahed series via MOD. I'm beginning to agree with the sometimes harsh criticisms leveled at IRIAF by some members particularly when the the Sukhoi 22s were brought to service with much greater capabilities a few years ago.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I just fully realized that the RQ-170 derivatives was completely IRGC project and that HESA or MOD or others had absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever and there doesn't seem to be any sharing going on at all in certain places, either because IRGC is holding back or a particular Artesh branch is being too arrogant to ask for help/tech.
So all this time I assumed that sofre mahi was completely cancelled once the rq170 fell into Iran's hands; instead I fully realize now that IRGC made this own project only and that Artesh has continued to work on sofre mahi THE ENTIRE TIEME and at this rate of progress, this is quite dismal indeed!
I assumed with the kind of sharing that happens between Artesh Air Defense Forces & Navy and IRGC that something similar might be happening with IRIAF on some level but it seems now that these two entities are as far apart as though they in foreign countries!
So to reiterate, either IRGC does not want to share the Shahed 171 or Artesh never had the sense to cancel sofre mahi and to try to buy shahed series via MOD. I'm beginning to agree with the sometimes harsh criticisms leveled at IRIAF by some members particularly when the the Sukhoi 22s were brought to service with much greater capabilities a few years ago.

why cancel sofreh mahi. if Sofreh mahi get enough attention and funding it can be our Dark sword equivalent , Shahed 171 and its clone will never be able to fill such roles

 

[TheImmortal]

why cancel sofreh mahi. if Sofreh mahi get enough attention and funding it can be our Dark sword equivalent , Shahed 171 and its clone will never be able to fill such roles

HESA can not built a dark sword. Only IRGC has the funding, connections, engineers, etc to build such a drone.

Look at everything HESA has done they are basically 20 years behind IRGC.

 

[Hack-Hook]

HESA can not built a dark sword. Only IRGC has the funding, connections, engineers, etc to build such a drone.

Look at everything HESA has done they are basically 20 years behind IRGC.

I yet to see that Quds aviation build drones Half as fast as Hesa drones and the amunition of the Hesa drones are far more lethal than what Mohajer or Shahed carry and don't forget the newest Mohajer (Mohajer-6) is built by HESA not Quds Aviation and Also didn't IRGC went after Fotrus for UAVs bigger than Shahed-129 .

the advantage of Quds aviation was having Access to RQ-170 and being handed how to control a flying wing something that Hesa had to learn from scratch with Sofreh Mahi

 

[WudangMaster]

the advantage of Quds aviation was having Access to RQ-170 and being handed how to control a flying wing something that Hesa had to learn from scratch with Sofreh Mahi

Since the sofre mahi was still ongoing, I would have imagined that there would have been inut from IRGC helping these projects along much further/faster but it seems that Qods aviation and HESA et al are like "knife and cheese" or oil and vinegar...

 

[Hack-Hook]

Since the sofre mahi was still ongoing, I would have imagined that there would have been inut from IRGC helping these projects along much further/faster but it seems that Qods aviation and HESA et al are like "knife and cheese" or oil and vinegar...

not exactly , as I said Mohajer-6 is designed by Quds Aviation but being produced by HESA
the problem is flying wing design of Shahed-171 won't necessary work for Sofreh-Mahi and they are two different design

 

[WudangMaster]

not exactly , as I said Mohajer-6 is designed by Quds Aviation but being produced by HESA
the problem is flying wing design of Shahed-171 won't necessary work for Sofreh-Mahi and they are two different design

Do you think they are also working on the delta wing sofre mahi too, or just focusing on the other design that crashed? I figured for the delta wing, they could incorporate elements of the S171, although I personally I'd rather they just try to get the S171 rather than the delta sofre mahi.
The other design is different enough, but that adds a great deal of time to flight controls, etc. The time scale does still seem a bit long, though there migt not be a meaningful budget for it either.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Do you think they are also working on the delta wing sofre mahi too, or just focusing on the other design that crashed? I figured for the delta wing, they could incorporate elements of the S171, although I personally I'd rather they just try to get the S171 rather than the delta sofre mahi.
The other design is different enough, but that adds a great deal of time to flight controls, etc. The time scale does still seem a bit long, though there migt not be a meaningful budget for it either.

by considering the budgets limitation I doubt that . I even doubt this design even be a priority. to be honest I don't knew if its the same project or just one enthusiast fan tried to make the drone himself when they did not heard anything for years about the project.

 

[TheImmortal]

I yet to see that Quds aviation build drones Half as fast as Hesa drones and the amunition of the Hesa drones are far more lethal than what Mohajer or Shahed carry and don't forget the newest Mohajer (Mohajer-6) is built by HESA not Quds Aviation and Also didn't IRGC went after Fotrus for UAVs bigger than Shahed-129 .

the advantage of Quds aviation was having Access to RQ-170 and being handed how to control a flying wing something that Hesa had to learn from scratch with Sofreh Mahi

LOL you don’t think Quds can copy a target drone from the 70’s? (Karrar)

No you are right HESA is better than Quds. Preposterous argument since mastering a flying wing design without FBW is very difficult.

Quds Aviation puts more emphasis on range rather than speed although there is a turbojet version of S-171 so I don’t know what you are talking about. Furthermore, range is reason why they Rq-170 detective was able to fly from Iran to Syria and drop PGMs on ISIS.

Stop arguing, it makes you look silly claiming HESA is more advanced than Quds Aviation in drone production.

And Shahed-129 can run circles around M-6.

 

[Hack-Hook]

LOL you don’t think Quds can copy a target drone from the 70’s? (Karrar)

Not a copy but a modified and repurposed

Quds Aviation puts more emphasis on range rather than speed although there is a turbojet version of S-171 so I don’t know what you are talking about. Furthermore, range is reason why they Rq-170 detective was able to fly from Iran to Syria and drop PGMs on ISIS.

still the speed is less than half of he Karrar so not suitable for interceptor role. and by the way the longest rang of Iranian UAV's probably belong to Arash .
and also Karrar have enough range to go to Syria and come back by the way didn't AIR-Force built Kaman-12 and working on Kaman-22,don't you think those have enough range to go to Syria and come back ?

Stop arguing, it makes you look silly claiming HESA is more advanced than Quds Aviation in drone production.

And Shahed-129 can run circles around M-6.

probably have higher endurance the problem . how much effective was Sahed-129 against USA , UAV's like Shahed-129 are nothing but Turkey shoot against anything but ragtag militia . USA shoot it down , Pakistan shoot it down , its big , its slow , it can't defend itself. and its arsenal is not that diverse only Sadid 345

 

[yavar]

Iran Army Air Force Gen. Khajehfard: Iran-140 Plane Transportation and update

 

[WudangMaster]

Iran Army Air Force Gen. Khajehfard: Iran-140 Plane Transportation and update

How are the engines?

 

[sahureka2]

How are the engines?

question
and if to replace the Motor-Sich AI-30 , 1,838 kW (2,465 hp) that was the licensed Klimov TV3-117VMA-SBM1, using the more modern and powerful turboprop Klimov TV7-117ST, 2,610 kW (3,500 hp) that the Russians have installed on the new Ilyushin Il-112 ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klimov_TV7-117