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[Hack-Hook]

Manned fighter jets are still useful in modern warfare. With the prevalence of UCAV which fly low, air defense is ineffective against them. Manned fighter jets are effective at eliminating UCAV by flying over them and using look down shoot down mode. That is why Iran will buy JF-17 Block 3 / 4 as its next generation fighter jet to replace aging F-14, F-4, F-5, MiG-29.Iran is a pretty small country. Distance Khoy and Chabahar only 2,080 km. Less than half the distance Kashgar and Xiamen. Iran has no need for heavy fighter. JF-17 combat radius 1,350 km is sufficient for Iran needs.

you are wrong on that . by the way the combat range is 1350km not combat radius. that will be less than half of combat range because you must add at least 10 min of combat time if you want to have a meaningful number
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Combat range is the maximum range the aircraft can fly when carrying ordnance.
combat radius in military terms, refers to the maximum distance a ship, aircraft, or vehicle can travel away from its base along a given course with normal load and return without refueling, allowing for all safety and operating factors.

so no JF-17 is not that useful for Iran . at must it can replace our F-5s and for that we want build a modernized F-5 hopefully something like F-20 or F-18

by the way are you aware that our heavy and sluggish F-14 still can outmaneuver airplanes like JF-17 and F-16 in Dogfight ?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Su-30SM would be a bad choice for Iran. For starters it has inferior thrust to weight ratio compared to JF-17 Block 3 / 4. Second it lacks basic modern avionics such as MAWS which JF-17 Block 1 already has. Third, it is expensive both to buy and to service compared to JF-17. It cannot be used in numbers the way JF-17 can. On top of that, it has no missile that can go toe to toe with PL-15 which is the same class as AIM-260. The only reason Iran would go for Su-30SM instead of JF-17 Block 3 / 4 is because of politics, not because of merit.

and for that we want build a modernized F-5 hopefully something like F-20 or F-18

That would take decades. In the mean time Iran can obtain JF-17 Block 3 / 4 to phase out planes that are decades old and urgently require replacement.

 

[Blue In Green]

Su-30SM would be a bad choice for Iran. For starters it has inferior thrust to weight ratio compared to JF-17 Block 3 / 4. Second it lacks basic modern avionics such as MAWS which JF-17 Block 1 already has. Third, it is expensive both to buy and to service compared to JF-17. It cannot be used in numbers the way JF-17 can. On top of that, it has no missile that can go toe to toe with PL-15 which is the same class as AIM-260. The only reason Iran would go for Su-30SM instead of JF-17 Block 3 / 4 is because of politics, not because of merit.


That would take decades. In the mean time Iran can obtain JF-17 Block 3 / 4 to phase out planes that are decades old and urgently require replacement.

Has there been any talks between Iran and China on the possible future acquisition of JF-17 Block3/4s?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Has there been any talks between Iran and China on the possible future acquisition of JF-17 Block3/4s?

It is among the list in this source: https://www.thenationalnews.com/wor...st-if-the-un-arms-embargo-is-lifted-1.1041946

 

[VEVAK]

Su-30SM would be a bad choice for Iran. For starters it has inferior thrust to weight ratio compared to JF-17 Block 3 / 4. Second it lacks basic modern avionics such as MAWS which JF-17 Block 1 already has. Third, it is expensive both to buy and to service compared to JF-17. It cannot be used in numbers the way JF-17 can. On top of that, it has no missile that can go toe to toe with PL-15 which is the same class as AIM-260. The only reason Iran would go for Su-30SM instead of JF-17 Block 3 / 4 is because of politics, not because of merit.


That would take decades. In the mean time Iran can obtain JF-17 Block 3 / 4 to phase out planes that are decades old and urgently require replacement.

I'm pretty sure you got that backwards! If Iran purchases the JF-17 it would purely be due to politics and nothing more! It would be an utter mistake for Iran to purchase the Jf-17 and if the Chinese want a good long term relationship with Iran's Air Force then they should stop trying to Sell that Aircraft to Iran.
China should be offering J-20's to Iran not JF-17's

The idea that Iran would spend money on importing a platform less capable than F-16's and F-15's is utterly delusional. Plus, if Iran is to import a platform, that platform needs to at least have some advantages over an F-35 and the Jf-17 literally has none.

Most importantly, you want Iran to purchase something that even the Chinese Air Force it's self wasn't willing to purchase! The fact that China it's self chose mass production of the J-10 at far greater numbers over increasing the production of the Jf-17 speaks for it's self & Iran's Air Force would have to be on crack to willingly lobby for such a purchase!

Also, Iran requires Air Superiority fighters/Interceptors & has absolutely NO NEED to import Close Air Support fighters and can produce it's own CAS fighters at a fraction of the cost! So if Iran ever wanted to purchase CAS fighters they would simply invest in improving on and increasing the production of the Kowsar/F-5

Countries purchase weapons based on their own threat assessments and for Iran based on the threats we face the JF-17 would bring us more of a burden than a capability!
Jf-17 wouldn't even be able to go up against UAE F-16's let alone Typhoons, F/A-18, F-15, F-35's....

So for China to even advocate such a sale would be an insult!!!!

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I'm pretty sure you got that backwards! If Iran purchases the JF-17 it would purely be due to politics and nothing more! It would be an utter mistake for Iran to purchase the Jf-17 and if the Chinese want a good long term relationship with Iran's Air Force then they should stop trying to Sell that Aircraft to Iran.
China should be offering J-20's to Iran not JF-17's

The idea that Iran would spend money on importing a platform less capable than F-16's and F-15's is utterly delusional. Plus, if Iran is to import a platform, that platform needs to at least have some advantages over an F-35 and the Jf-17 literally has none.

Most importantly, you want Iran to purchase something that even the Chinese Air Force it's self wasn't willing to purchase! The fact that China it's self chose mass production of the J-10 at far greater numbers over increasing the production of the Jf-17 speaks for it's self & Iran's Air Force would have to be on crack to willingly lobby for such a purchase!

Also, Iran requires Air Superiority fighters/Interceptors & has absolutely NO NEED to import Close Air Support fighters and can produce it's own CAS fighters at a fraction of the cost! So if Iran ever wanted to purchase CAS fighters they would simply invest in improving on and increasing the production of the Kowsar/F-5

Countries purchase weapons based on their own threat assessments and for Iran based on the threats we face the JF-17 would bring us more of a burden than a capability!
Jf-17 wouldn't even be able to go up against UAE F-16's let alone Typhoons, F/A-18, F-15, F-35's....

So for China to even advocate such a sale would be an insult!!!!

The reason China does not use JF-17 is because it does not have combat radius to meet China's needs. Distance Kashgar in west China and Xiamen in east China 4,200+ km. Iran is not such a case. Distance Maku in west Iran and Chabahar in east Iran 2,100+ km. About half as much. JF-17 has the combat radius to meet Iran's needs but not China's needs. As for Su-30, what good did it do for Armenia when Azerbaijani TB2 drones tore through Artsakh? Did they shoot down a single TB2? No. Why? Because it sucks. Russian export version Su-30SME is water downed so much it is virtually ineffective against any modern drone. Also because Russia did not allow Armenia to use Su-30 against TB2 because Azerbaijan brings more money to Russia than Armenia can. Russia is not a good partner. On the other hand, China does not export watered down version. What you buy from China is original, not watered down. Also, Russia will not allowed Iran to use Su-30 in case of war with say Israel or KSA or UAE, because Russia would rather have good relations with them than with Iran. With China you would have a dependable partner, because China does treats all fairly and equally.

This is what I'm talking about. Useless. Expensive and utterly useless. If they bought JF-17 they would not have lost Artsakh to Azerbaijan.

 

[TheTallGuy]

@VEVAK

What i never understand, you a believer of asymmetrical warfare..i understand that IRIAF is sitting duck against the enemy they have chosen no matter what..

But one must not think that Air DEFENCE missiles/SAM systems will survive by themselves in modern battlefield, without a credible air cover and State of the art EW/ELINT/SIGINT

Things are not Vietnam always ...even they able to muster an organic capability to mount air interceptions. i would have been much happy if IRIAF invested its own fund to create an unlicensed copy of F-4E Phantom with AL-21F3

A perfectly doable project which offers far more room for improvement.

After all you are operating and maintaining them for 50 Years.

 

[Dariush the Great]

The reason China does not use JF-17 is because it does not have combat radius to meet China's needs. Distance Kashgar in west China and Xiamen in east China 4,200+ km. Iran is not such a case. Distance Maku in west Iran and Chabahar in east Iran 2,100+ km. About half as much. JF-17 has the combat radius to meet Iran's needs but not China's needs. As for Su-30, what good did it do for Armenia when Azerbaijani TB2 drones tore through Artsakh? Did they shoot down a single TB2? No. Why? Because it sucks. Russian export version Su-30SME is water downed so much it is virtually ineffective against any modern drone. Also because Russia did not allow Armenia to use Su-30 against TB2 because Azerbaijan brings more money to Russia than Armenia can. Russia is not a good partner. On the other hand, China does not export watered down version. What you buy from China is original, not watered down. Also, Russia will not allowed Iran to use Su-30 in case of war with say Israel or KSA or UAE, because Russia would rather have good relations with them than with Iran. With China you would have a dependable partner, because China does treats all fairly and equally.

This is what I'm talking about. Useless. Expensive and utterly useless. If they bought JF-17 they would not have lost Artsakh to Azerbaijan.

You realize that cross border operations are also considered ? You think Iran buys fighter jets that can only patrol and defend exactly within Iran's borders ? Are you a little child ?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

You realize that cross border operations are also considered ? You think Iran buys fighter jets that can only patrol and defend exactly within Iran's borders ? Are you a little child ?

All I'm saying is Su-30 has terrible track record. It failed to defend Artsakh from TB2 drones. That's all man. You can argue Su-30 is a super duper plane. You know what? That's great. You are entitled to your opinion.

And considering Iran has many threats, Turkey + Azerbaijan eyeing West Azerbaijan and East Azerbaijan, KSA and UAE eyeing southern Iran, Israel and America threatening to invade, if you think Su-30 can defend Iran the way Su-30 failed in Armenia then well.

 

[Ich]

That would take decades.

Come, visit us in the new year thousand! You will see things like pocket calculators with more calculating power than the supercomputers in the 80s and the early 90s....the supercomputers of the 80s and the early 90s who build F22...

 

[Fulgrim]

Armenia has only 4 Su 30 and i don’t Know if they use These in the conflict.

Armenian Air Force - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Arian]

All I'm saying is Su-30 has terrible track record. It failed to defend Artsakh from TB2 drones. That's all man. You can argue Su-30 is a super duper plane. You know what? That's great. You are entitled to your opinion.

And considering Iran has many threats, Turkey + Azerbaijan eyeing West Azerbaijan and East Azerbaijan, KSA and UAE eyeing southern Iran, Israel and America threatening to invade, if you think Su-30 can defend Iran the way Su-30 failed in Armenia then well.

Man, no offense, but you sound totally clueless when you try to make the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict relevant to Iran's future wars or defense needs.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

@VEVAK

What i never understand, you a believer of asymmetrical warfare..i understand that IRIAF is sitting duck against the enemy they have chosen no matter what..

But one must not think that Air DEFENCE missiles/SAM systems will survive by themselves in modern battlefield, without a credible air cover and State of the art EW/ELINT/SIGINT

Things are not Vietnam always ...even they able to muster an organic capability to mount air interceptions. i would have been much happy if IRIAF invested its own fund to create an unlicensed copy of F-4E Phantom with AL-21F3

A perfectly doable project which offers far more room for improvement.

After all you are operating and maintaining them for 50 Years.

You didn't understand anything about the F-4 SM! NOTHING !
One day not far, Iran will dismantle us their group of never-before-seen combat planes and many people here on this forum will fall on their asses. Since the construction of the Saegheh fighter plane, they've built many more planes than you think and never-before-seen versions of F5s and more. Not to mention the F-4 SM and other hidden projects.

It is time for Iran to shake up this forum and especially the IRIAF topic which is the weakest point of this forum. Iran always leaves little clues to tell us that they are more advanced than we think. It's up to you to decode

 

[AmirPatriot]

We don't want the JF-17, got it? 5 pages of shilling won't change that. It's a nice cheap plane with good avionics but Iran needs air superiority fighters first and foremost, not F-5 replacements.

All I'm saying is Su-30 has terrible track record. It failed to defend Artsakh from TB2 drones. That's all man. You can argue Su-30 is a super duper plane. You know what? That's great. You are entitled to your opinion.

And considering Iran has many threats, Turkey + Azerbaijan eyeing West Azerbaijan and East Azerbaijan, KSA and UAE eyeing southern Iran, Israel and America threatening to invade, if you think Su-30 can defend Iran the way Su-30 failed in Armenia then well.

That might have something to do with the fact that Armenia in their eternal wisdom didn't purchase any missiles for their Su-30s...

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

We don't want the JF-17, got it? 5 pages of shilling won't change that. It's a nice cheap plane with good avionics but Iran needs air superiority fighters first and foremost, not F-5 replacements.

No one is saying Iran shouldn't buy Su-30. Iran absolutely should. It is for politics. China bought token number of Su-35 to maintain ties with Russia. Iran should buy a squadron of Su-30 to maintain ties with Russia. That's great. But don't put all eggs in one basket. Russia is cahoots with Israel and Turkey / Azerbaijan and KSA / UAE. Iran won't be able to use Su-30 in war the same way Armenia was not able to use Su-30 to shoot down Azerbaijani TB2 drones over Artsakh after Russia betrayed Armenia in favor of Azerbaijan. The backbone of future Iran air force will be JF-17 Block 3 / 4. No doubt about that. 100 to 200 such planes are expected over the next decade.