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No shit Solomon, what do you expect them to use?
Iraqi forces 'launch major Kirkuk operation'
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No shit Solomon, what do you expect them to use?
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he wants them to use their hands so atleast the pkk/peshmerga have a chance
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Dohuk and Arbil should be taken, except Americans might cause problems
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Not very likely but we'll see...
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We are Iranians, Iraq is a district of Iran
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Did the yanks just backtab again?d
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Not only that. All 500 million Arabs worldwide are a bunch of ajami majusi. From Mexico to Indonesia. May Allah (swt) forgive me for saying this and help me wash my mouth with soap.
Al-Abadi looked incredibly happy back then. He probably knew what was coming for the barzanistanis!
It easily could be taken (at least Dohuk) but it would not be worth it. Too many barzanistanis and too many leeches IMO. No need for additional trouble. Control of the entire SYRIAN (no Kurds here) border and a part of the Iraqi-Turkish border should be enough.
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I guess Abadi and Iraqi leadership are wise enough to know the right timing . No one believed peshmarga would be forced to return back to the blue line pre 2003 borders .
I think Iraq will push both puk and kdp into a civil war and Iraqi army will enter under the pretext if enforcing stability
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According to Iraqi constitution, Iraq federal forces must control borders, airports, oil wells. Ibadi also said that and he said that they will gonna control all the borders, but lets assume they couldn't control all borders. Iraqi Army or PMU should at least control this zone, for gods sake;
Come on now. This will eliminate most of the PKK activities in southeast Turkey. Trade between Iraqi nation and Turkish nation would be doubled in short amount of time. Border should not be owned by PKK or KDP in Iraqi side, but must be owned by Iraqi Army or at least Turkmen PMU units.
Come on now. This will eliminate most of the PKK activities in southeast Turkey. Trade between Iraqi nation and Turkish nation would be doubled in short amount of time. Border should not be owned by PKK or KDP in Iraqi side, but must be owned by Iraqi Army or at least Turkmen PMU units.
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Kuwaitigirl and the Kurds want Saudi military to bomb and takeover Baghdad for them
Where's Saddam when you need him, 2 little entities causing problems
Kuwaitigirl and the Kurds want Saudi military to bomb and takeover Baghdad for them
Where's Saddam when you need him, 2 little entities causing problems
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Is that Kuwaiti Girl? I had no idea. I don't know her but all I know is that her opinions here on PDF were changing on a weekly basis and that she said that her father was an Baluch and that her mother was English. So you can probably deduct on your own that she cannot speak on behalf of Kuwaitis or Arabs as she claims not to be an Arab. Anyway I don't think that she hates Iraq to be honest with you. That was not the idea I got when she was here but what can I/we know? I don't know her. All I remember is her having a fetish/love for Kurds somehow.
As for that other user (appears to be a Kurd) I have no idea who that is.
However what I know is that they are speaking complete and utter nonsense. Jordan (a close ally of KSA, Egypt and most other Arab states - not to forget a country that has good ties with the West, Russia and China - traditionally a regional mediator) is not going to invade anything let alone Iraq (Anbar).
As for KSA joining foreigners (Kurds) to fight against fellow Iraqi Arabs (in particular Iraqi Sunni Arabs who are in conflict with the Kurdish land grabbers) is the most ridiculous thing that I have heard so far today and that says a lot as I and a few other Arab users were dealing with 2 Turkish trolls polluting another thread on this section with complete moronic nonsense. The nonsense article about mercenaries working on behalf of UAE invading Qatar!
Anyway I can see that some Kurds and Kuwaiti Girl are speculating what a plane from Riyadh to Arbil was doing a few hours ago. Well, they forgot that there have been civilian airlines flying to KRG/Barzanistan for quite some time like that of all other regional countries in particular Turkey and Iran. There are direct flights daily from Baghdad as well.
They are just stirring trouble up as I see it. No idea why as almost every Saudi Arabian supports the move against Barzanistani and the official position as you can see is no different. KSA-Iraqi relations are back on track ever since Al-Abadi came to power. A lot of promising stuff have been happening and will happen in the future.
I would not take this all too seriously. You have such kind of nonsense talk 24/7 on Twitter, Facebook and other social media. PDF is no different as we both know. Here for instance we have some Iranian users claiming that all this is the work of Iran. There will always be trolls, ignorant people and people with a agenda out there.
EDIT: Sorry, I misunderstood something here (I am watching the first NBA game this season). You of course meant Barzanistan and Kuwait.
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How Iran helped Baghdad seize back Kirkuk
Around 8 p.m. on Oct. 15, an Iranian general from the powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) accompanied by Iraqi Commanders Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and Hadi al-Ameri sat down with the Kurdish commanders in Kirkuk. The IRGC commander, known only by his surname, Eqbalpour, who works closely with Quds Force chief Qasem Soleimani, told the Kurds to give up the city peacefully. “If you resist, we will crush you and you will lose everything,” the general warned the peshmerga commanders, a source with intimate knowledge of the meeting told Al-Monitor.
The Kurdish leadership had turned down repeated requests by Soleimani to cancel the Sept. 25 independence referendum, to his indignation. The peshmerga commanders who had fought Saddam Hussein’s army alongside Soleimani and other IRGC commanders in the 1980s knew that the Quds Force commander would take his revenge. After consulting with the top Kurdish leadership, the peshmerga commanders told Eqbalpour that they would not give up Kirkuk.
The Iranian commander took out a map of the area and spread it out in front of his Kurdish counterparts. “This is our military plan. We will hit you tonight from three points — here, here and here,” the Quds Force officer stated, and then left the meeting with his entourage.
Not far from the main Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) building in Kirkuk, where the meeting took place, a group of American military advisers sat at the sprawling K1 air base. The soldiers would keep their silence as Soleimani and the Iraqis orchestrated the attacks on Kirkuk. One Kurdish official even suggested that there must have been an international agreement to launch such a coordinated strike. The Kurds were in for a big surprise.
Just after midnight, in the early hours of Oct. 16, the Iraqis attacked from the points that the Iranian general had identified, and by 8 p.m. — despite fierce resistance by some of the peshmerga — the Iraqis were taking over the city as Kurdish officials and commanders fled. Three peshmerga sources, including two majors, were adamant that they had seen Persian-speaking soldiers wearing the uniforms of the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) alongside the Iraqis.
How the Kurdish peshmerga were defeated so fast is disputed, but lack of ammunition and the longstanding rivalry between the PUK and the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) played an important part. "I fought for four hours and we did not allow the [PMU] to come forward,” said Maj. Nihad, a peshmerga commander in his mid 30s who fought south of the city near the Shiite town of Taza. “We could not continue simply because we had no more ammunition.”
As the Iraqis took control of the city, thousands of Kurdish civilians and peshmerga fled to Erbil and Sulaimaniyah. "They sold us, the [Kurdish] officials sold us,” one peshmerga told Al-Monitor in Qarahanjir, just to the east of Kirkuk, as thousands of desperate and bewildered Kurdish civilians drove their vehicles toward Sulaimaniyah. Kurdish officials could be seen fleeing through the hills in their four-wheel-drive vehicles. Angry crowds along the road near Sulaimaniyah jeered at the officials.
Immediately after their collapse in Kirkuk, KDP and PUK officials accused each other of treason and traded barbs. The KDP accused one wing of the PUK of reaching a secret agreement with Baghdad to sell out the Kurds, while PUK officials said Massoud Barzani, the de facto president of the Kurdistan Region, is reaping what he sowed for his obstinacy in going ahead with the independence referendum against the advice of the Kurds’ closest allies. The two sides also accused each other of looting Kirkuk’s oil and siphoning off millions of dollars in the process.
It appears that Iran succeeded in helping Baghdad squeeze the Kurds and retake all the disputed territories from them. US President Donald Trump said his administration would not side with any party in an internal matter.
While Iran may be buoyant about its success, the Kurdish public is angry and feels betrayed by both Soleimani and the Kurdish leadership. But as the Kurds try to make sense of losing so much after the referendum, Iran may come to regret its decision to humiliate the Kurdish public in the long run. The sense of humiliation is palpable across to the Kurdistan Region. “I have picked up my father’s Kalashnikov to defend my town,” said a young man on Oct. 16, sitting on a hill just outside Kirkuk and clinging to his rusty gun. With tears in his eyes, Garmiyan,18, said that he would not run away and would rather die defending his hometown as he looked down on the road jammed with vehicles fleeing the city.
Anti-Iran sentiment is now growing in the Kurdistan Region, despite how the Kurds have generally seen Iran, a country that they have often turned to in times of need. When Saddam’s regime launched chemical attacks in 1988, the Kurds turned to Iran; again, in 1991, as Saddam’s army attacked Kurdish areas in the aftermath of the Gulf War, many were housed by Iran. By and large, the Kurds see themselves as ethnically closer to Iranians than to Arabs and Turks because of their thousands of years of shared history.
Tehran’s assistance to Baghdad in this episode of Iraq's tumultuous history may thus ultimately hurt Tehran's influence in the Kurdistan Region, while for Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi the Shiite commanders may have already become too powerful to contain.
There is no doubt that the Kurdish leadership is guilty of monumental miscalculations by pushing ahead with an ill-timed referendum. But given the reactions to their policies, both Washington and Tehran are likely to come to regret humiliating the Kurdish public in years to come.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/en/...pture-soleimani-quds-force-eqbalpour.amp.html
Around 8 p.m. on Oct. 15, an Iranian general from the powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) accompanied by Iraqi Commanders Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and Hadi al-Ameri sat down with the Kurdish commanders in Kirkuk. The IRGC commander, known only by his surname, Eqbalpour, who works closely with Quds Force chief Qasem Soleimani, told the Kurds to give up the city peacefully. “If you resist, we will crush you and you will lose everything,” the general warned the peshmerga commanders, a source with intimate knowledge of the meeting told Al-Monitor.
The Kurdish leadership had turned down repeated requests by Soleimani to cancel the Sept. 25 independence referendum, to his indignation. The peshmerga commanders who had fought Saddam Hussein’s army alongside Soleimani and other IRGC commanders in the 1980s knew that the Quds Force commander would take his revenge. After consulting with the top Kurdish leadership, the peshmerga commanders told Eqbalpour that they would not give up Kirkuk.
The Iranian commander took out a map of the area and spread it out in front of his Kurdish counterparts. “This is our military plan. We will hit you tonight from three points — here, here and here,” the Quds Force officer stated, and then left the meeting with his entourage.
Not far from the main Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) building in Kirkuk, where the meeting took place, a group of American military advisers sat at the sprawling K1 air base. The soldiers would keep their silence as Soleimani and the Iraqis orchestrated the attacks on Kirkuk. One Kurdish official even suggested that there must have been an international agreement to launch such a coordinated strike. The Kurds were in for a big surprise.
Just after midnight, in the early hours of Oct. 16, the Iraqis attacked from the points that the Iranian general had identified, and by 8 p.m. — despite fierce resistance by some of the peshmerga — the Iraqis were taking over the city as Kurdish officials and commanders fled. Three peshmerga sources, including two majors, were adamant that they had seen Persian-speaking soldiers wearing the uniforms of the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU) alongside the Iraqis.
How the Kurdish peshmerga were defeated so fast is disputed, but lack of ammunition and the longstanding rivalry between the PUK and the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) played an important part. "I fought for four hours and we did not allow the [PMU] to come forward,” said Maj. Nihad, a peshmerga commander in his mid 30s who fought south of the city near the Shiite town of Taza. “We could not continue simply because we had no more ammunition.”
As the Iraqis took control of the city, thousands of Kurdish civilians and peshmerga fled to Erbil and Sulaimaniyah. "They sold us, the [Kurdish] officials sold us,” one peshmerga told Al-Monitor in Qarahanjir, just to the east of Kirkuk, as thousands of desperate and bewildered Kurdish civilians drove their vehicles toward Sulaimaniyah. Kurdish officials could be seen fleeing through the hills in their four-wheel-drive vehicles. Angry crowds along the road near Sulaimaniyah jeered at the officials.
Immediately after their collapse in Kirkuk, KDP and PUK officials accused each other of treason and traded barbs. The KDP accused one wing of the PUK of reaching a secret agreement with Baghdad to sell out the Kurds, while PUK officials said Massoud Barzani, the de facto president of the Kurdistan Region, is reaping what he sowed for his obstinacy in going ahead with the independence referendum against the advice of the Kurds’ closest allies. The two sides also accused each other of looting Kirkuk’s oil and siphoning off millions of dollars in the process.
It appears that Iran succeeded in helping Baghdad squeeze the Kurds and retake all the disputed territories from them. US President Donald Trump said his administration would not side with any party in an internal matter.
While Iran may be buoyant about its success, the Kurdish public is angry and feels betrayed by both Soleimani and the Kurdish leadership. But as the Kurds try to make sense of losing so much after the referendum, Iran may come to regret its decision to humiliate the Kurdish public in the long run. The sense of humiliation is palpable across to the Kurdistan Region. “I have picked up my father’s Kalashnikov to defend my town,” said a young man on Oct. 16, sitting on a hill just outside Kirkuk and clinging to his rusty gun. With tears in his eyes, Garmiyan,18, said that he would not run away and would rather die defending his hometown as he looked down on the road jammed with vehicles fleeing the city.
Anti-Iran sentiment is now growing in the Kurdistan Region, despite how the Kurds have generally seen Iran, a country that they have often turned to in times of need. When Saddam’s regime launched chemical attacks in 1988, the Kurds turned to Iran; again, in 1991, as Saddam’s army attacked Kurdish areas in the aftermath of the Gulf War, many were housed by Iran. By and large, the Kurds see themselves as ethnically closer to Iranians than to Arabs and Turks because of their thousands of years of shared history.
Tehran’s assistance to Baghdad in this episode of Iraq's tumultuous history may thus ultimately hurt Tehran's influence in the Kurdistan Region, while for Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi the Shiite commanders may have already become too powerful to contain.
There is no doubt that the Kurdish leadership is guilty of monumental miscalculations by pushing ahead with an ill-timed referendum. But given the reactions to their policies, both Washington and Tehran are likely to come to regret humiliating the Kurdish public in years to come.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/en/...pture-soleimani-quds-force-eqbalpour.amp.html
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