Iranian women risk arrest as they remove their veils for #WhiteWednesday

[Holmes]

According to islamic traditions a women could possibly go to hell for that... pathetic move...

 

[Avicenna]

According to islamic traditions a women could possibly go to hell for that... pathetic move...

What?? Pretty sure you have little to no idea about Islamic "traditions".

 

[Aramagedon]

Trump is a maron no question about it, the problem is the general shape of ME, some things might have improved but ME is at least a century behind western world this is a fact we need to accept.


Yes it did but what use does this have for us when people are living in misery today? Whats better trying to improve our situation or whine about the past?

Future will make everything better. 30 years ago your economy was a way weaker than Iran, now it is better... Future of your country is very unclear btw, thanks to your eternal president sultan erdogan.

Oldest civilisation seems to be 3500 BC:
https://www.ancienthistorylists.com...10-oldest-ancient-civilizations-ever-existed/

Then they found Göbekli Tepe in Turkey a whopping 12000 years, 6,500 years older than Stonehenge and around 7,000 years older than the oldest of the Pyramids!
https://www.ancient-code.com/20-facts-about-gobekli-tepe-a-12000-year-old-ancient-wonder/

Ancient Iranian Civilizations since 12000 years ago:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ancient-iranian-civilizations-since-12000-years-ago.393162


World oldest pyramids are located in Iran:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tepe_Sialk

 

[Holmes]

What?? Pretty sure you have little to no idea about Islamic "traditions".

Otherwise why do they wear it? What difference it makes in wearing it and not wearing it?

 

[Avicenna]

Otherwise why do they wear it? What difference it makes in wearing it and not wearing it?

Yup. No idea.

 

[raptor22]

Trump is a maron no question about it, the problem is the general shape of ME, some things might have improved but ME is at least a century behind western world this is a fact we need to accept.


Yes it did but what use does this have for us when people are living in misery today? Whats better trying to improve our situation or whine about the past?

1) The first step to solve any problem is to start to realize and accept the existence of such a problem to address it.
2) I do agree with you that we have serious problems in our region.
3) The point is though some of the problems in the region are outcome of short-sighted idiotic decisions made by very same people and politicians live in this region ,some others have been the direct results of the external players policies. For example there is not a single day that American authorities not express their concerns over democracy in Iran, how people are oppressed by ruthless regime and finally impose sanction but they would never mention how they ruined and toppled the first democratic elected government of Iran 70 years ago and supported dictator through a military coup for the next 3 decades.
Many problems could be solved if they stop meddling in this region, what happened in Afghanistan and how they lured the Russians into the Afghan trap and then they supported Islamic hotheads to make Afghanistan the Soviet union their Viet Nam and still all the region is suffering from these so-called Mujahedin in Iraq, Syria, North Africa and recently again in Afghanistan like a domino of infections that deliberately is being spread and at the end of day they come out and entitle themselves as true leader of international front in fight against terrorism ...their finger prints are everywhere in Afghanistan, Iran , Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Palestine even recent military coup in Turkey, Egypt , Libya and they are not even a regional country but invaded countries in this region ...
There are more than 50 million people in the US that don't know whether they would get next meal or not (60% of Iran population) but instead of helping them they just keep their nose in other countries internal issues constantly, start wars and spend billions $ for military budget.

 

[sammuel]

1) The first step to solve any problem is to start to realize and accept the existence of such a problem to address it.
2) I do agree with you that we have serious problems in our region.
3) The point is though some of the problems in the region are outcome of short-sighted idiotic decisions made by very same people and politicians live in this region ,some others have been the direct results of the external players policies. For example there is not a single day that American authorities not express their concerns over democracy in Iran, how people are oppressed by ruthless regime and finally impose sanction but they would never mention how they ruined and toppled the first democratic elected government of Iran 70 years ago and supported dictator through a military coup for the next 3 decades.
Many problems could be solved if they stop meddling in this region, what happened in Afghanistan and how they lured the Russians into the Afghan trap and then they supported Islamic hotheads to make Afghanistan the Soviet union their Viet Nam and still all the region is suffering from these so-called Mujahedin in Iraq, Syria, North Africa and recently again in Afghanistan like a domino of infections that deliberately is being spread and at the end of day they come out and entitle themselves as true leader of international front in fight against terrorism ...their finger prints are everywhere in Afghanistan, Iran , Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Palestine even recent military coup in Turkey, Egypt , Libya and they are not even a regional country but invaded countries in this region ...
There are more than 50 million people in the US that don't know whether they would get next meal or not (60% of Iran population) but instead of helping them they just keep their nose in other countries internal issues constantly, start wars and spend billions $ for military budget.

You started good by recognising that their is a problem in the region but than you could not help a pavlovic response of blaming the Americans for everything that is wrong here which is hardly taking responsibility.

Americans interfered in Iran ? yes 70 years ago . Time to get over it.

Americans are responsible for soviets invasion to Afghanistan ? Seriously ? As for Syria - it is not the Americans that are the prime participants but Russia and Iran. But you are ok with that.

Seems you are trying to Hide behind blaming the west for everything that goes wrong in the region and it sounds a lot like the usual Mullah philosophy , but it would hardly solve anything. Time as you said to take responsibility.

And how did we get from discussion of forcing the Hijab on woman in Iran - to blaming the west for everything ?

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[Arefin007]

There is always one ...

There is nothing in Islam that say that woman must cover their heads , kindly show us where anything like that is written.

The hijab has nothing to do with Islam.

why you have israeli flags ??

 

[sammuel]

why you have israeli flags ??

you mean other than the obvious reason ? ? ?

 

[raptor22]

You started good by recognising that their is a problem in the region but than you could not help a pavlovic response of blaming the Americans for everything that is wrong here which is hardly taking responsibility.

Americans interfered in Iran ? yes 70 years ago . Time to get over it.

Americans are responsible for soviets invasion to Afghanistan ? Seriously ? As for Syria - it is not the Americans that are the prime participants but Russia and Iran. But you are ok with that.

Seems you are trying to Hide behind blaming the west for everything that goes wrong in the region and it sounds a lot like the usual Mullah philosophy , but it would hardly solve anything. Time as you said to take responsibility.

And how did we get from discussion of forcing the Hijab on woman in Iran - to blaming the west for everything ?

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It happens when you don't follow previous comment, dear @xenon54 said:

Let me tell you a story why ME is one of those places Trump would call shit holes.

And in reply I said that he (Trump) is a racist and sexist and his words doesn't have any value and then I agreed that we have problems in our region "many are outcome of short-sighted idiotic decisions made by very same people and politicians live in this region" and then I said while this guy call other regions shit holes he and his country fail to mention their roles in creating such a mess across the globe ... I didn't blame the Americans for everything that is wrong and stupid but for what they did ... military coup in Iran is a fact supporting dictator is a fact .. creating SAVAK and trained it by CIA and Mosad is a fact ... You say it happens 70 years ago exactly what I said but you don't reply what would have happened if Iran democracy had given a chance in that time? how Iran could have been different and consequently the region and the world ... what would have happened if Iranian democracy (first democratic and elected Gov in Iran) had had a chance to survive and not replaced by a installed dictator through a coup orchestrated by MI6 and CIA to serve these 2 countries' interests instead of Iranians' interests???
This is how we get from discussion of forcing the Hijab on woman in Iran to this, plain and simple.

It is what Michael S. Dukakis governor of Massachusetts and American democrat party candidate for 1988 presidential election:

"Given that he’s been out of office for a long time, there’s little reason for Dukakis not to speak his mind when asked about the possible role of Russia in getting Trump elected: “It’s not that I’m not concerned about Russia meddling, but I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that the U.S. has meddled in more domestic elections in other countries than practically any other country on the face of the earth. We’re tapping the phones of the Russian ambassador every day!” Dukakis laughs. “So it’s a little interesting for us to be accusing them of meddling. We don’t simply hack [other governments], we overthrow them. I’m not sure Americans remember this, but it was our overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 that triggered this Iranian antagonism to us. I’m not sure we’re justified in complaining about meddling.”

See not just me ...
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But on Russian and Afghanistan and usual Mullah philosophy:

1)
Brzezinski Vision to Lure Soviets into ‘Afghan Trap’ Now Orlando’s Nightmare

"What Stansfield Turner was saying in 1995 was that Brzezinski’s well-known Russophobia led him to take advantage of the Soviet’s miscalculation. But it wasn’t until the 1998 Nouvel Observateur interview that Brzezinski boasted that he had provoked the invasion by getting Carter to authorize a Presidential finding to intentionally suck the Soviets in six months before they even considered invading. Yet, despite Brzezinski’s admission, Washington’s entire political spectrum continued to embrace his original false narrative that the Soviets had embarked on a world conquest."
2)
USA prints textbooks to support Jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan

– If out of 10 atheists, 5 are killed by 1 Muslim, 5 would be left.
– 5 guns + 5 guns = 10 guns
– 15 bullets – 10 bullets = 5 bullets, etc.

On Syria you could see this : Link​

 

[sammuel]

It happens when you don't follow previous comment, dear @xenon54 said:



And in reply I said that he (Trump) is a racist and sexist and his words doesn't have any value and then I agreed that we have problems in our region "many are outcome of short-sighted idiotic decisions made by very same people and politicians live in this region" and then I said while this guy call other regions shit holes he and his country fail to mention their roles in creating such a mess across the globe ... I didn't blame the Americans for everything that is wrong and stupid but for what they did ... military coup in Iran is a fact supporting dictator is a fact .. creating SAVAK and trained it by CIA and Mosad is a fact ... You say it happens 70 years ago exactly what I said but you don't reply what would have happened if Iran democracy had given a chance in that time? how Iran could have been different and consequently the region and the world ... what would have happened if Iranian democracy (first democratic and elected Gov in Iran) had had a chance to survive and not replaced by a installed dictator through a coup orchestrated by MI6 and CIA to serve these 2 countries' interests instead of Iranians' interests???
This is how we get from discussion of forcing the Hijab on woman in Iran to this, plain and simple.

It is what Michael S. Dukakis governor of Massachusetts and American democrat party candidate for 1988 presidential election:

"Given that he’s been out of office for a long time, there’s little reason for Dukakis not to speak his mind when asked about the possible role of Russia in getting Trump elected: “It’s not that I’m not concerned about Russia meddling, but I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that the U.S. has meddled in more domestic elections in other countries than practically any other country on the face of the earth. We’re tapping the phones of the Russian ambassador every day!” Dukakis laughs. “So it’s a little interesting for us to be accusing them of meddling. We don’t simply hack [other governments], we overthrow them. I’m not sure Americans remember this, but it was our overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 that triggered this Iranian antagonism to us. I’m not sure we’re justified in complaining about meddling.”

See not just me ...
​

But on Russian and Afghanistan and usual Mullah philosophy:

1)
Brzezinski Vision to Lure Soviets into ‘Afghan Trap’ Now Orlando’s Nightmare

"What Stansfield Turner was saying in 1995 was that Brzezinski’s well-known Russophobia led him to take advantage of the Soviet’s miscalculation. But it wasn’t until the 1998 Nouvel Observateur interview that Brzezinski boasted that he had provoked the invasion by getting Carter to authorize a Presidential finding to intentionally suck the Soviets in six months before they even considered invading. Yet, despite Brzezinski’s admission, Washington’s entire political spectrum continued to embrace his original false narrative that the Soviets had embarked on a world conquest."
2)
USA prints textbooks to support Jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan

– If out of 10 atheists, 5 are killed by 1 Muslim, 5 would be left.
– 5 guns + 5 guns = 10 guns
– 15 bullets – 10 bullets = 5 bullets, etc.

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On Syria you could see this : Link​

kindly go back to topic , not stuff that happened 70 years ago

 

[Hack-Hook]

kindly go back to topic , not stuff that happened 70 years ago

well its not like we only can recount staff of 70 years ago we easily can recount hostilities and intervention from last years or even this year.
For example prince of orange psychological warfare against foreign investor and banks who want to have deal with iran

 

[Zibago]

Right to wear hijab is as important as right not to but we all know why this case is being highlighted after the flop protests in Iran

No you can not have a referendum about it.

Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority over the minority. Not being forced to wear a hijab is a basic human right that can not be infringed or taken away by any vote.

That is why a good democracy is also protected by a good constitution that protects basic human rights - like in our case : not to be discriminated by gender is rather basic . . .


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If democracy is not the tyranny of majority over minority whats your view on beef ban?

 

[raptor22]

kindly go back to topic , not stuff that happened 70 years ago

First you asked Q and No it ain't merely something that happened 70 years ago actually it's the American policy regarding other countries that has been sought by them since then ...
1953:

Military coup resulted in toppling Iran elected Gov.​

2017:

In a public congressional hearing, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson suggested that U.S. policy toward Iran would include, among other things, support for “peaceful” regime change.
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I see no difference ..

 

[sammuel]

Right to wear hijab is as important as right not to but we all know why this case is being highlighted after the flop protests in Iran

I agree with you that it was certainly highlighted after the protests but don't forget that the issue of woman rights is now hot all over the world , don't know if you followed the #MeToo campaign that started in the us but got responses all over the world.