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[WinterNights]

"small country like Iran". I know these Americans are not known for the intelligence and/or geography skills but godamn that comment made me lol.

 

[Aramagedon]

Iran, hands down, is now the pioneer of drone warfare! Such operation using so many drones at the same time is unprecedented!


Maybe Iran is using Antman?!!

American obsession with Iran. They bark how a “small country” like Iran, and they show Afghanistan while they talk about Iran !!!

 

[Arminkh]

American obsession with Iran. They bark how a “small country” like Iran, and they show Afghanistan while they talk about Iran !!!

Well Iran has an area of 1/6 of that of US and a population of almost 1/4 of US. So comparatively, we are a small country. There is nothing wrong with that. Even more credit to Iran

 

[Aramagedon]

Well Iran has an area of 1/6 of that of US and a population of almost 1/4 of US. So comparatively, we are a small country. There is nothing wrong with that. Even more credit to Iran

Iran is 17th largest (considering Caspian sea part of Iran, Iran is 12th largest) country in the world. Iran is as large as half of Europe. PS. USA is not a country but an stolen occupied land...

 

[Draco.IMF]

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In this context I think he meant under "small" ->"technologically behind/small", and not geographically small...

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

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it was aliens bro !!!

 

[VEVAK]

There is one truth: Iran has no communication satellite in orbit.
Russian or Chinese channels granted to Iran can't be regarded as secure.

The new SATCOM variant of the S-129 could be instead a long range, line of sight, directional data-link.

You would need one S-129 in the target area, and another near home. The communication relay created could bridge significant distance, up to several hundreds of km.
This exercise was stated as 1000-1200km distance (distance to Israel). This sounds to large for such a link but 600km would certainly be in the realm of possibility. However I don't have enough info in this field to go beyond that.

This concept would also mean that the communication S-129 could still be 50-100km behind the drone that does the targeting and the swarm that would do the bombing. Even if taken out, the swarm would just do an automatic static bombing of pre-programmed targets or return back home on autopilot.

Infact SATCOM is still many years away, why should the IRGC-ASF already now field such a S-129 variant of long range directional air data-link was not the goal?

Ok some notes:
The S-191 in the exercise have their bomb-bay door disassembled: Maybe the RCS was too low for them to be tracked by ground radar (concerning airspace safety regulations).

Seems that 20 S-12X bombers were used
8-10 S-191
4? S-129 (two with directional data-link?)
5? prop-Saehge, probably higher in numbers
and at least 2 older low-end Sadeq.

So its close the the number of 50. All apparently from one small base.
In terms of firepower this results in 80-100 Sadid variants and soft targets killed.

Or they can do Sat internet if available in that area for one way video feed back to Tehran with special forces operators stationed somewhere within ~300km of the target meaning if you have to you can put your UAV on Autopilot send it within 300km of lets say Damascus and from there with your operators in an underground bunker you can cover a large portion of Israeli territory with almost every major Israeli city within your range.


At U.S. level of technology I don't think it would much matter if your piggy backing off a Russian Sat or not because they can both Jam or Hack you either way.
Regardless, if you can connect to the internet you can simply a new website with 100 backup sites off various servers for each UAV and each operation to at least receive live data and you can do pre programed attacks and have operators to simply land them, refuel and send them back or maybe even on faster platforms that can reach their targets in under 4 hours you can also use the site to relay previously coded encrypted commands to your operators that your operators can follow by looking up the command codes in a personalized operations handbook with predetermined mission specs with cods sent at a specific time for each individual operator while sending junk data the rest of the time... still you may need another layer of command codes going to the battlefield commander for authentication but you can make it hard enough that 4 hours wouldn't be enough time to find the sites for each individual UAV then attempt to hack or overload so many sites and there is a another layer of codes going to the commanders....

 

[Sineva]

"small country like Iran". I know these Americans are not known for the intelligence and/or geography skills but godamn that comment made me lol.

I suspect that there are many americans who still wouldnt even know where iran was on a map,or that iran isnt even an arab country or sunni state for that matter.

 

[yavar]

 

[Hack-Hook]

That S-129 establishes a omni-directional link to a "non-SATCOM" older S-129 variant with targeting payload at 100km distance.
That S-129 then has omni-directional link to the whole swarm that is 10km ahead of it bombing the target.

The distance sum would be 1210km.

The problem is the targeting equipment on S-129 don't have that range.

 

[PeeD]

@VEVAK

Sure a local ground based link-up to drones that arrive there on autopilot is also a way to do real-time targeting.
It would be effective in a Israel scenario. But there may be situations where no such ground station or special forces deployed up-link is possible. Here the drone based data-link represents a more flexible approach.
Note that a map of Israel is behind the command center displays during Gen. Salamis statement

@Hack-Hook

Agreed. Current optics don't appear good enough for stand-off targeting. They may be high-altitude capable.
Hence subtract that extra 10km of the range calculation and add an penalty to the survivability due to the lack of stand-off targeting. However this is not a problem that can't be solved. Not only with more potent optics but with a SAR/GMTI payload for the UAV.
In fact such stand-off targeting most likely is the task of the main S-171. Here it would not just be high altitude and 10km distance, but something like 50km. That 50km distance to the target would then increase the survivability of the non-expandable targeting asset significantly.

Another note on the video: Note the prop-Saeghe with 4 Sadid PGMs capability instead the two internal of the S-191. The propeller propulsion of it allows for a heavier payload. Of course range would be reduced compared to the variants with just two for long range attacks.

In total, this is the first field in which Iran is pioneering the way on world scale. Innovations are made for the first time...
Look at the Israeli innovation with the Hermes that was the starting point for all of this. But now Iran is doing the innovation.
I can' stress enough how important a non-runway based airpower concept is.
The truck launch and (emergency)parachute return concept is a key development of immense importance. If it evolves to S-191-like platforms, it will create immense headache for any enemy.
Hajizadeh is fully right, this is Irans new revolutionary capability, adding up to the missile power. Capabilities that can't be neutralized by even using nuclear weapons.

 

[Sineva]

Awesome pic

 

[scythian500]

Note that a map of Israel is behind the command center displays during Gen. Salamis statement

why do you think General Hejazi insisted on UCAVs flew 1200km before hitting their targets pinpoint!?

Imagine 100s of missiles (heavy warheads) fired first to Israel and then a swarm of +500 UCAVs carry on simultaneously to finish the job and give the damage report!

Given a rational 50% loss of all missiles and UCAVs... Still Israel is finished for the first wave of strike... Specially of targets are chosen strategically...

btw, the more opposition pressure the people inside Iran for an uprising and regime change the closer we will be for such an attack from timing point of view ... if u know what I mean!

 

[skyshadow]

why do you think General Hejazi insisted on UCAVs flew 1200km before hitting their targets pinpoint!?

Imagine 100s of missiles (heavy warheads) fired first to Israel and then a swarm of +500 UCAVs carry on simultaneously to finish the job and give the damage report!

Given a rational 50% loss of all missiles and UCAVs... Still Israel is finished for the first wave of strike... Specially of targets are chosen strategically...

btw, the more opposition pressure the people inside Iran for an uprising and regime change the closer we will be for such an attack from timing point of view ... if u know what I mean!

if they flew 1200 km to get to target that mean they have to fly back 1200 km to land which make it 2400 km range UCAV before that IRGC said saeghe has range of 1000 km.

 

[scythian500]

if they flew 1200 km to get to target that mean they have to fly back 1200 km to land which make it 2400 km range UCAV before that IRGC said saeghe has range of 1000 km.

Yes but if it is necessary these cheap UCAVs can stay there in Israel as a kamikazi too!! Still the same effect