Iranian Space program

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So according to the U.S. 1st booster worked perfectly, they got a clean separation
Did they get an engine start for 20 seconds or did it just glide for 20 seconds?
FYI Long before the Simorgh test Iranian Space Agency official announced that the Simorgh would need two test launches before its ready to send a sat into space!

From what I saw in the video the SLV hit Mach 1 at too low of an altitude for an SLV anyways & it seemed like it had plenty of thrust for a bigger better 2nd stage

 

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The Pishgam (Pioneer) capsule that was sent into space containing a live monkey in January 2013 is displayed during a rally in Tehran's Azadi Square (Freedom Square) on Feb. 12, 2013, to mark the 34th anniversary of the Islamic revolution. | AFP-JIJI
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Spurred on by uproar over satellites, Iran relaunches manned space program

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TEHRAN – Iran’s on-off space program has received a boost from Washington’s irritation at a recent satellite launch by the middle eastern nation, with Tehran dusting off plans for a manned mission, perhaps with Moscow’s assistance.

“Ten skilled pilots are currently undergoing difficult and intensive training so that two of them … can be selected for the space launch,” the head of the science ministry’s aerospace research center, Fathollah Omi, told the state broadcaster last week.






He said the plan was to put humans into suborbital space “in less than eight years.”

“In preliminary talks with Russia’s main space company, we have agreed to cooperate on this important project and we are waiting for their definitive answer.”

Russia has not confirmed the talks, although deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees its space program, visited Tehran two years ago to discuss potential collaboration.

The Islamic republic’s scientists are also celebrating the fact that two monkeys they fired into space in 2013 have recently given birth to their first baby.

“Aftab and Fargam were two monkeys sent separately into space and returned alive. Researchers are studying the effect of a space trip on their baby,” said Omi.

Iran’s space program has progressed in fits and starts.

It has sent a turtle, mouse and worms into space, and after the successful voyage by the monkeys, then-president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced he would like to be first to go up on an Iranian rocket.

But he was out of office a few months later, and the whole program appeared to have been mothballed earlier this year due to financial constraints.

“It was estimated that putting a man into Earth orbit would cost around $15 billion to $20 billion over 15 years. As a result, the budget cannot be allocated for this project,” the deputy head of Iran’s Space Organization, Mohammad Homayoun Sadr, said in May.

That decision appears to have been reversed in the wake of the international furor over Iran’s testing of a new satellite launch rocket in July.

The 500-kilometer (312-mile) range rocket — named Simorgh after a bird from Persian legend and with the words “We can do it” inscribed on the side — was launched from the newly inaugurated Imam Khomeini Space Centre in Semnan province.

The United States in particular balks at any technological advance that might also benefit Iran’s ballistic missile program, and Washington quickly threatened fresh sanctions.

Omi confirmed the plans for human spaceflights, as well as a new 1,000-km-range satellite-rocket, had followed the “great reaction from the world” to the Simorgh test.

“The Islamic Republic reacts very negatively when it feels it is held back,” said Adnan Tabatabai, an Iran analyst and CEO of Germany’s CARPO think tank.

“Iran’s nuclear program and particularly its research and development became all the more prestigious and important the more that Iran was under pressure by the West to halt it,” he said.

Iran’s four launches of domestically produced satellites since 2009 have all sparked condemnation from the West.

The new Communications Minister Mohammad Javad Azari Jahromi said Wednesday that a new satellite, named Doosti, was waiting to be launched.

“You send orbital satellite carrier rockets into space, and all of a sudden you see they have created uproar about it in the world,” said supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in August.

“It is a task which is necessary for every country and which is completely normal and ordinary.”

The controversy appears to have re-energized the space program, which is run by the defense ministry.

“Its leaders like to literally show that the sky is the limit to Iran’s technological progress,” said Tabatabai.

“And that safeguarding revolutionary ideals and religious ideology can be reconciled with modernity.”

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Iran to send human to space by 2025

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News ID: 4084207 - Mon 11 September 2017 - 16:05
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TEHRAN, Sep. 11 (MNA) – While announcing continued studies to send humans to space, the head of Iran’s Aerospace Research Institute (ARI) said they may try sending a robot or a live creature before the final stage of sending a human.
Regarding the project for sending a live creature to space which was halted, the head of ARI Fathollah Ommi stated “we have successfully launched a monkey to space, and now we are conducting research to send a man to space.”

“The preliminary measures to send a human to space are currently underway and the project is to be carried out in two suborbital and orbital phases” said Ommi, stressing that the project is in the study stage at the moment.

According to the head of ARI, the orbital phase of the project will be operational by 2025 and the suborbital phase will take place before that.

When asked whether they will send another live creature into space before a human, he said "it might happen." Since they intend to launch the live creature to different altitudes of space, several experiments must be conducted to test the selected trajectory for sending a human. It is required to launch the live creature at least 6 times, before they are ready to carry out this mission with a human onboard, he added.

“We might use a robot or another live creature prior to sending a human. If this mission is successful, we will launch a human to space after conducting the necessary tests.” Ommi stated.

 

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The Pishgam (Pioneer) capsule that was sent into space containing a live monkey in January 2013 is displayed during a rally in Tehran's Azadi Square (Freedom Square) on Feb. 12, 2013, to mark the 34th anniversary of the Islamic revolution. | AFP-JIJI
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Spurred on by uproar over satellites, Iran relaunches manned space program

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TEHRAN – Iran’s on-off space program has received a boost from Washington’s irritation at a recent satellite launch by the middle eastern nation, with Tehran dusting off plans for a manned mission, perhaps with Moscow’s assistance.

“Ten skilled pilots are currently undergoing difficult and intensive training so that two of them … can be selected for the space launch,” the head of the science ministry’s aerospace research center, Fathollah Omi, told the state broadcaster last week.






He said the plan was to put humans into suborbital space “in less than eight years.”

“In preliminary talks with Russia’s main space company, we have agreed to cooperate on this important project and we are waiting for their definitive answer.”

Russia has not confirmed the talks, although deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees its space program, visited Tehran two years ago to discuss potential collaboration.

The Islamic republic’s scientists are also celebrating the fact that two monkeys they fired into space in 2013 have recently given birth to their first baby.

“Aftab and Fargam were two monkeys sent separately into space and returned alive. Researchers are studying the effect of a space trip on their baby,” said Omi.

Iran’s space program has progressed in fits and starts.

It has sent a turtle, mouse and worms into space, and after the successful voyage by the monkeys, then-president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced he would like to be first to go up on an Iranian rocket.

But he was out of office a few months later, and the whole program appeared to have been mothballed earlier this year due to financial constraints.

“It was estimated that putting a man into Earth orbit would cost around $15 billion to $20 billion over 15 years. As a result, the budget cannot be allocated for this project,” the deputy head of Iran’s Space Organization, Mohammad Homayoun Sadr, said in May.

That decision appears to have been reversed in the wake of the international furor over Iran’s testing of a new satellite launch rocket in July.

The 500-kilometer (312-mile) range rocket — named Simorgh after a bird from Persian legend and with the words “We can do it” inscribed on the side — was launched from the newly inaugurated Imam Khomeini Space Centre in Semnan province.

The United States in particular balks at any technological advance that might also benefit Iran’s ballistic missile program, and Washington quickly threatened fresh sanctions.

Omi confirmed the plans for human spaceflights, as well as a new 1,000-km-range satellite-rocket, had followed the “great reaction from the world” to the Simorgh test.

“The Islamic Republic reacts very negatively when it feels it is held back,” said Adnan Tabatabai, an Iran analyst and CEO of Germany’s CARPO think tank.

“Iran’s nuclear program and particularly its research and development became all the more prestigious and important the more that Iran was under pressure by the West to halt it,” he said.

Iran’s four launches of domestically produced satellites since 2009 have all sparked condemnation from the West.

The new Communications Minister Mohammad Javad Azari Jahromi said Wednesday that a new satellite, named Doosti, was waiting to be launched.

“You send orbital satellite carrier rockets into space, and all of a sudden you see they have created uproar about it in the world,” said supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in August.

“It is a task which is necessary for every country and which is completely normal and ordinary.”

The controversy appears to have re-energized the space program, which is run by the defense ministry.

“Its leaders like to literally show that the sky is the limit to Iran’s technological progress,” said Tabatabai.

“And that safeguarding revolutionary ideals and religious ideology can be reconciled with modernity.”

PHOTOS

CLICK TO ENLARGE





Iran to send human to space by 2025

​

News ID: 4084207 - Mon 11 September 2017 - 16:05
Technology
TEHRAN, Sep. 11 (MNA) – While announcing continued studies to send humans to space, the head of Iran’s Aerospace Research Institute (ARI) said they may try sending a robot or a live creature before the final stage of sending a human.
Regarding the project for sending a live creature to space which was halted, the head of ARI Fathollah Ommi stated “we have successfully launched a monkey to space, and now we are conducting research to send a man to space.”

“The preliminary measures to send a human to space are currently underway and the project is to be carried out in two suborbital and orbital phases” said Ommi, stressing that the project is in the study stage at the moment.

According to the head of ARI, the orbital phase of the project will be operational by 2025 and the suborbital phase will take place before that.

When asked whether they will send another live creature into space before a human, he said "it might happen." Since they intend to launch the live creature to different altitudes of space, several experiments must be conducted to test the selected trajectory for sending a human. It is required to launch the live creature at least 6 times, before they are ready to carry out this mission with a human onboard, he added.

“We might use a robot or another live creature prior to sending a human. If this mission is successful, we will launch a human to space after conducting the necessary tests.” Ommi stated.

I think the Iranian Space Program should be given its own ministry for the following reasons:

- First, having it under the MOD gives the impression to the West that it has a military-related aspect to it (ICBM), which Iran denies. Iran's denial is supported by physicists and rocket engineers who say that contrary to the USA's belief that the satellites of Iran can be used as a basis for an ICBM; rather the reverse is true, ballistic missile developments aids the space program; not the other way round. But as the USA has its own interests and is not run by rational people, they claim the opposite assertion and use it as an excuse to impose sanctions. Therefore, in being its own ministry, it rebukes the USA's oft repeated claim of it being a clandestine military ICBM program in disguise.

- Secondly, it will free up funds for the MOD to pursue its own projects that are actually for defensive purposes. It bewilders me that a civilian program is run by the MOD. In addition, in being its own ministry, they will be allocated specific funds and the appropriate research team, instead of borrowing the two from the MOD.

 

[skyshadow]

I think the Iranian Space Program should be given its own ministry for the following reasons:

- First, having it under the MOD gives the impression to the West that it has a military-related aspect to it (ICBM), which Iran denies. Iran's denial is supported by physicists and rocket engineers who say that contrary to the USA's belief that the satellites of Iran can be used as a basis for an ICBM; rather the reverse is true, ballistic missile developments aids the space program; not the other way round. But as the USA has its own interests and is not run by rational people, they claim the opposite assertion and use it as an excuse to impose sanctions. Therefore, in being its own ministry, it rebukes the USA's oft repeated claim of it being a clandestine military ICBM program in disguise.

- Secondly, it will free up funds for the MOD to pursue its own projects that are actually for defensive purposes. It bewilders me that a civilian program is run by the MOD. In addition, in being its own ministry, they will be allocated specific funds and the appropriate research team, instead of borrowing the two from the MOD.

I totally agree with you. If it is separated from the military sector is much better off, now its creating a military footprint in the minds of ordinary people. But I do not think that organizations other than the army or the Revolutionary Guards have the ability or resources to control such a large part.

 

[TheImmortal]

I think the Iranian Space Program should be given its own ministry for the following reasons:

- First, having it under the MOD gives the impression to the West that it has a military-related aspect to it (ICBM), which Iran denies. Iran's denial is supported by physicists and rocket engineers who say that contrary to the USA's belief that the satellites of Iran can be used as a basis for an ICBM; rather the reverse is true, ballistic missile developments aids the space program; not the other way round. But as the USA has its own interests and is not run by rational people, they claim the opposite assertion and use it as an excuse to impose sanctions. Therefore, in being its own ministry, it rebukes the USA's oft repeated claim of it being a clandestine military ICBM program in disguise.

- Secondly, it will free up funds for the MOD to pursue its own projects that are actually for defensive purposes. It bewilders me that a civilian program is run by the MOD. In addition, in being its own ministry, they will be allocated specific funds and the appropriate research team, instead of borrowing the two from the MOD.

It actually makes sense, because Iran's space program does have a military dimension.

Iran's space program is in its infancy. Who do you think the rocket scientists work for? They have ties to IRGC and the missile program. There isn't private sector rocket scientists sitting around unemployed in Iran that the public government could hire to my knowledge.

SLVs that are used are being developed by rocket scientists from IRGC and incorporating some of the latest technology and design in their possession.

So why would Iran put the space program into the public government sphere where spies could easily infilitrate? There is valuable information that can be gained by adversaries seeking insight into Iran's ballistic missile technology.

You forget that the US space program was heavily shaped by Nazi scientists captured after the war. So when the space program was in its infancy it indeed had a military dimension to it.

If you watch the news, time to time you will hear a US agency turned over its old spy satellite to NASA. And even an old spy satellite at the end of its service is still 10+ years ahead of NASA in terms of technology.

At this point, Iran's space program is completely being supplied with some of the latest in Iran military ballistic technology so of course Iran's defense sector will protect its secrets.

 

[N_Al40]

It actually makes sense, because Iran's space program does have a military dimension.

Iran's space program is in its infancy. Who do you think the rocket scientists work for? They have ties to IRGC and the missile program. There isn't private sector rocket scientists sitting around unemployed in Iran that the public government could hire to my knowledge.

SLVs that are used are being developed by rocket scientists from IRGC and incorporating some of the latest technology and design in their possession.

So why would Iran put the space program into the public government sphere where spies could easily infilitrate? There is valuable information that can be gained by adversaries seeking insight into Iran's ballistic missile technology.

You forget that the US space program was heavily shaped by Nazi scientists captured after the war. So when the space program was in its infancy it indeed had a military dimension to it.

If you watch the news, time to time you will hear a US agency turned over its old spy satellite to NASA. And even an old spy satellite at the end of its service is still 10+ years ahead of NASA in terms of technology.

At this point, Iran's space program is completely being supplied with some of the latest in Iran military ballistic technology so of course Iran's defense sector will protect its secrets.

Definitely agree that it needs to be kept guarded from foreign infiltration!

As for the military dimensions that you mentioned; I appreciate your point, but that wasn't what I was getting at. Of course engineers who worked on Iran's BM's are going to be needed for the space program, because BM engine technology can be transferred to the space program. The baseline technology is the same. However, Iran won't, and scientifically can't transfer exclusive space technologies to its BM program, because it isn't in Iran's interest to get an ICBM. Because it would only prove America right.

 

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Hello, I wanted to share this beautiful movie with you. If I'm not mistaken, you can see SLV such as kavosh and simorgh, and even Ghaem SLV . 2:30

If this is a valid proof and it is really the Ghaem missile, it will be a proof that Iran has made this missile or SLV since 2009.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Hello, I wanted to share this beautiful movie with you. If I'm not mistaken, you can see SLV such as kavosh and simorgh, and even Ghaem SLV . 2:30

If this is a valid proof and it is really the Ghaem missile, it will be a proof that Iran has made this missile or SLV since 2009.

@SOHEIL

 

[TheImmortal]

Hello, I wanted to share this beautiful movie with you. If I'm not mistaken, you can see SLV such as kavosh and simorgh, and even Ghaem SLV . 2:30

If this is a valid proof and it is really the Ghaem missile, it will be a proof that Iran has made this missile or SLV since 2009.

Well we knew Ghaem was made as it was rumored to be final project of the father of Iran's missile program.

The other SLVs seem to be just conceptual/r&d stage with no actual pictures of real launches.

 

[VEVAK]

Hello, I wanted to share this beautiful movie with you. If I'm not mistaken, you can see SLV such as kavosh and simorgh, and even Ghaem SLV . 2:30

If this is a valid proof and it is really the Ghaem missile, it will be a proof that Iran has made this missile or SLV since 2009.

Unfortunately, the space program is NOT being funded properly and you can directly blame the Rohani government for that!

Iran by now should have built a cluster version of the Sejil yet they still haven't sent a single sat into space using the Simorgh!

I can understand choosing to put the manned space program on hold until you have enough space based Sat's & a strong enough launchers but the current delays are purely manufactured by the government!

1st they disband and reshuffle the space program to bind it behind a bunch of bureaucratic nonsense then they come up with bunch of other excuses.....

Fact is that THE ONLY Organization under Ahmadinajead that was actually doing it's job really good was the Space Agency & they disbanded that!

IRGC needs to starts it's won space program that's outside the purview of the civilian leadership! Rohani government has put so much political capital into the JCPOA that they are willing to risk Iran's space program just to ensure it doesn't fall apart! And for what? They still aren't even willing to allow Iran to buy civilian Airliners

IRGC can build SLV's based off the Khoramshar engine they can very quickly build single engine & then a twin engine SLV based of the Khoramshar engine and in the future 4 cluster engine versions.....

For now technology in computers, processing, data storage, solar panels, batteries... has reached a point that a 80-100kg LEO (~400km orbit) sat will be more than sufficient for any kind of surveillance sat maybe not good enough to read license plates but good enough to see military assets and a single Khoramshar Engine with 4 vectoring thrusters instead of two should be more than sufficient for a 1st stage booster maybe add a 1 tone high thrust 2nd stage at 100km altitude to help achieve orbital velocity & a 800kg 3rd stage sat orbital vehicle carrying a 200lb sat

 

[skyshadow]

Unfortunately, the space program is NOT being funded properly and you can directly blame the Rohani government for that!

Iran by now should have built a cluster version of the Sejil yet they still haven't sent a single sat into space using the Simorgh!

I can understand choosing to put the manned space program on hold until you have enough space based Sat's & a strong enough launchers but the current delays are purely manufactured by the government!

1st they disband and reshuffle the space program to bind it behind a bunch of bureaucratic nonsense then they come up with bunch of other excuses.....

Fact is that THE ONLY Organization under Ahmadinajead that was actually doing it's job really good was the Space Agency & they disbanded that!

IRGC needs to starts it's won space program that's outside the purview of the civilian leadership! Rohani government has put so much political capital into the JCPOA that they are willing to risk Iran's space program just to ensure it doesn't fall apart! And for what? They still aren't even willing to allow Iran to buy civilian Airliners

IRGC can build SLV's based off the Khoramshar engine they can very quickly build single engine & then a twin engine SLV based of the Khoramshar engine and in the future 4 cluster engine versions.....

For now technology in computers, processing, data storage, solar panels, batteries... has reached a point that a 80-100kg LEO (~400km orbit) sat will be more than sufficient for any kind of surveillance sat maybe not good enough to read license plates but good enough to see military assets and a single Khoramshar Engine with 4 vectoring thrusters instead of two should be more than sufficient for a 1st stage booster maybe add a 1 tone high thrust 2nd stage at 100km altitude to help achieve orbital velocity & a 800kg 3rd stage sat orbital vehicle carrying a 200lb sat

داداش همه ما داریم دعا دعا میکنیم که سپاه به پیشرفتش ادامه داده باشه بدون توجه به فشار های داخلی حتی اگه مخفیانه باشه و صداشونو در نیاره چون روحانی هیچ کاری نمیکنه مگه چشممون به رئیس جمهور بعدی باشه فقط خداکنه سپاه همچیو اماده کرده باشه که عقب نیفتاده باشیم به خدا من زجر میکشم 8 سال زمان خیلی زیادیه حتی 2 تا ماهواره هم پرتاپ نکردن ادم نگاه میکنه کشور های خیلج فارس بدون ترس چه برنامه هایی دارن برای ماهواربر هاشون ولی ما هیچ . سپاه به راحتی میتونه 4تا موتور مثل سیمرغ از موشک خرمشهر کنار هم بزاره اگه انجام داده باشه خیلی عالی میشه حتی اگه توی انبار گذاشته باشنشون.

 

[TheImmortal]

Unfortunately, the space program is NOT being funded properly and you can directly blame the Rohani government for that!

Iran by now should have built a cluster version of the Sejil yet they still haven't sent a single sat into space using the Simorgh!

I can understand choosing to put the manned space program on hold until you have enough space based Sat's & a strong enough launchers but the current delays are purely manufactured by the government!

1st they disband and reshuffle the space program to bind it behind a bunch of bureaucratic nonsense then they come up with bunch of other excuses.....

Fact is that THE ONLY Organization under Ahmadinajead that was actually doing it's job really good was the Space Agency & they disbanded that!

IRGC needs to starts it's won space program that's outside the purview of the civilian leadership! Rohani government has put so much political capital into the JCPOA that they are willing to risk Iran's space program just to ensure it doesn't fall apart! And for what? They still aren't even willing to allow Iran to buy civilian Airliners

IRGC can build SLV's based off the Khoramshar engine they can very quickly build single engine & then a twin engine SLV based of the Khoramshar engine and in the future 4 cluster engine versions.....

For now technology in computers, processing, data storage, solar panels, batteries... has reached a point that a 80-100kg LEO (~400km orbit) sat will be more than sufficient for any kind of surveillance sat maybe not good enough to read license plates but good enough to see military assets and a single Khoramshar Engine with 4 vectoring thrusters instead of two should be more than sufficient for a 1st stage booster maybe add a 1 tone high thrust 2nd stage at 100km altitude to help achieve orbital velocity & a 800kg 3rd stage sat orbital vehicle carrying a 200lb sat

You seem to be confused.

IRGC already makes the SLVs as the missile program and its scientists are part of the Iranian defense industry. Hence why you heared an IRGC official criticize the government and say we have given them the Simorgh a while ago, but they won't launch(this was before the public test launch).

Firing rockets for the sake of firing rockets is not a strategy. Iran's satellite technology is still weak. It's record on putting even micro satellites into orbit and have them function properly is a question mark as well.

I'm not sure how much value IRGC even puts on a satellite technology. Their leadership is stubborn and reluctant who resist change.

 

[VEVAK]

You seem to be confused.

IRGC already makes the SLVs as the missile program and its scientists are part of the Iranian defense industry. Hence why you heared an IRGC official criticize the government and say we have given them the Simorgh a while ago, but they won't launch(this was before the public test launch).

Firing rockets for the sake of firing rockets is not a strategy. Iran's satellite technology is still weak. It's record on putting even micro satellites into orbit and have them function properly is a question mark as well.

I'm not sure how much value IRGC even puts on a satellite technology. Their leadership is stubborn and reluctant who resist change.

No your confused, Iran's Space Program is NOT under IRGC control! And when did I say Iran should fire rockets for the sake of firing rockets???

If the IRGC had control of the Space Program Iran by now would of had 2 dozen Iranian built sat's in space at least!

And Iran's lack of progress in space technology in terms of satellite launches is self imposed! Rohani administration very quickly dismantled Iran's Space Agency and reshuffled and put it under the ministry of communication and cut off funding to the space program!! Iran's 2017 space program had a budget of $5 Million USD! And they did this because of the JCPOA to appease the U.S.!

So clearly YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST CLUE!!!

If an Iranian administration cuts off funding to the Space Program from over a Billion USD to under $5Million USD then lack of progress and sat launches has NOTHING to do with your capabilities and has everything to do with the idiotic administration that cut off it's funding!

Iran has over 20 built Sat's that could have been launched that never were because of bad leadership and lack of funding

Sooner or later whether the civilian leadership likes it or not the IRGC will say enough is enough & Iranian people will back them! And now they want Iran to accept a deal to restrict it's missile program! Yea right!

Removal of sanction's haven't made life that much better for Iranians for the people to be willing to give up the countries space program for it that's why the Rohani administration never went public with it because he would have never gotten reelected if he did!

Ahmadinejad wasn't a good president BUT Rohani has taken this idea of appeasement too far and now it's catching up to him especially with the election of Trump in the U.S.!

داداش همه ما داریم دعا دعا میکنیم که سپاه به پیشرفتش ادامه داده باشه بدون توجه به فشار های داخلی حتی اگه مخفیانه باشه و صداشونو در نیاره چون روحانی هیچ کاری نمیکنه مگه چشممون به رئیس جمهور بعدی باشه فقط خداکنه سپاه همچیو اماده کرده باشه که عقب نیفتاده باشیم به خدا من زجر میکشم 8 سال زمان خیلی زیادیه حتی 2 تا ماهواره هم پرتاپ نکردن ادم نگاه میکنه کشور های خیلج فارس بدون ترس چه برنامه هایی دارن برای ماهواربر هاشون ولی ما هیچ . سپاه به راحتی میتونه 4تا موتور مثل سیمرغ از موشک خرمشهر کنار هم بزاره اگه انجام داده باشه خیلی عالی میشه حتی اگه توی انبار گذاشته باشنشون.

Har cheezi haddi dorreh! Makhsoosan ba omadan e Trump Sepah bayad asseen balla bezaneh!! Tahreem behtar as ean nanggeh!!!!!!