Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official

[Always Neutral]

what if they targeted this battlegroup with all long range missiles and kamikaze jets and strikes with their air force and their navy at the same time no anti air defence in the world would stand to all this i am sure iran has trained some frogman or seals commandosif you look at how we in the 70 s destroyed the eliat with torpedo vassals and destroying militry port with only 4 frogman so it can be done i think the real challange would be defending iran sky from us air force

Sorry do you even know how to swim?

CBG is not a stationary port for Frogman to swim and catch up plant a limpet and swim back.

Please don't croak like a frog if you have no knowledge?

i am sure iran has study the iraq battle well and they are expecting attack for years and they know what can hurt the US thier stratgy is well known and the amercan way of attack has not changed since iraq libya and bosnia as for hish tech era did you hear about the downed us spy drone ? that shows the level of iran army

How old are you? Don't you know the difference between a land battle (Iraq) and a Sea battle (future Iran). They are so different!

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Sorry do you even know how to swim?

CBG is not a stationary port for Frogman to swim and catch up plant a limpet and swim back.

Please don't croak like a frog if you have no knowledge?

i meant you stupid SOB that they may have a chance if iran launched a massive air assult and long range missiles so the battle group would be occupayed with dealing with the attack

 

[Mercenary]

Alright genius you showed us all how you are smart!First have some study about Iran war.
All the major powers were helping Iraq and no one even supplied us with bullets.You think it is hard to defeat Iraq after sanctions and not supporting them?You think, that Iraq was as strong as the Iraq which attacked us?Please think for one small moment and don't show your surprising IQ again.
Your last sentence is completely thinkable and has many many points behind it.Thank you!!!!!!!

At the beginning of the Iraq War, Iran had the most powerful Military in the Middle East. It had the latest Tanks and Fighters from the USA. So Iran was more than a match to Iraq.

And as far you are right, major global powers did support Iraq but Iran also got help from other nations such as North Korea and lets not forget the secret weapon transfers to Iran by Israel and USA to free hostages in Lebanon.

So yeah, Iran had a powerful military but still could not defeat Iraq while Iraq got annihilated in the first Gulf War in 100 hours. Even if Iraq had the same Army it had in 1980 when the war started, it would have taken 110 hours to completely destroy the Iraqi Army.

As for my last sentence:

Turkey has a more powerful Air force, Land Army and Navy than Iran
Egypt has a more powerful Air Force, Land Army and Navy than Iran
Pakistan has a more powerful Air Force, Land Army and Navy than Iran
Saudi Arabia has a more powerful Air Force, Land Army (Iran is stronger) and more powerful Navy than Iran

Seriously, when you compare yourself to these 4 countries, which branches of Iranian military are stronger than what these countries have?

Its all good to be nationalistic but not at the expense of common sense.

 

[Hellfire]

US has enough bases around ME, iran & afghanistan, plus not to forget the aircraft carriers.
you are either day dreaming or have no clue, Iran will not only block the strait but also will destroy all oil facilities in ME & plus its own oil facilities will get destroyed it will take months if not years, thought of this sends shivers through my spine, imagine the world without oil, there will be complete breakdown of adminstrative infrastructure, break down civil in infrastructre, break down of law & order, complete choas & riots in every street of the world, i am not sure how many countries will break into pieces if this really happens.

An effective military campaign requires concomitant use of ground troops to hold physically the advantages gained in order to force concessions as needed. US may have a lot of bases in adjoining countries but the nature of the bases is primarily defensive (the host countries allowed them to serve as added deterrence for any aggressor) something which does not make it obligatory for them to support aggressions by US. In addition Iran is not a country to easily roll over and that every nation in vicinity knows. So they shall not in anyway be supporting US ground offensives and air offensives from their soils may not be permitted as retaliation by Iran will take place. Additionally the strategic oil reserves are based on calculations for war attrition. So the picture you have painted is not completely true.

India may not as it might quietly give in to US pressure but china & russia will intervene, they have to protect themselves cuz after iran it would be india/china/russia in that line.

India will not intervene. It did not even in Maldives just some time back inspite of the Para units being ready to take off (the forces were given an initial go ahead). China will not intervene. China did not do so even when NATO bombed its embassy in Serbian conflict. China too has enough at stake to not get involved. Lastly Russia will not intervene against US but instead may send its own ground troops in in case the US does go to war in Iran in order to ensure US does not enter (akin to what they did in Kosovo)

it has not worked it doesnt mean it wont

Right now no one can do anything to the Iranians. Look at what happened to Gaddhafi. Anyone who is a reformed dictator will die his kind of death at the behest of the very same nations. So I doubt it.

Good to know & the problem is india is not backing by continuing to buy iranian oil.

Again wrong. While diplomatically we have said we back Iranian autonomity on Nuclear Energy for electricity and oil imports will continue at the same time we have scaled down our imports tremendously to offset any potential effects of a future conflict. So in reality we have reduced oil import from there.

 

[LeGenD]

An effective military campaign requires concomitant use of ground troops to hold physically the advantages gained in order to force concessions as needed. US may have a lot of bases in adjoining countries but the nature of the bases is primarily defensive (the host countries allowed them to serve as added deterrence for any aggressor) something which does not make it obligatory for them to support aggressions by US. In addition Iran is not a country to easily roll over and that every nation in vicinity knows. So they shall not in anyway be supporting US ground offensives and air offensives from their soils may not be permitted as retaliation by Iran will take place. Additionally the strategic oil reserves are based on calculations for war attrition. So the picture you have painted is not completely true.

Boots on the ground are required, if objective is 'regime change'. In case of Iran, the primary objective of US is not regime change but to significantly weaken it militarily so that it does not poses any major threat to US interests in the region. No Fly Zones can be good enough for this role.

Another thing is Arab-Iranian differences. They are significant in nature. Arab nations will be willing to help US as much as they can in case of conflict with Iran. The threat of Ballistic Missile strikes do not scare them. In the end, this will be win-win situation for Arab-US-Israeli nexus.

 

[Hossein2]

I couldn't care less what happens to Iran.
I would rather see them suffer from sanctions while my country develops rapidly. Just like whats happening now. The only reason why the Iranian president visited the disputed islands is to make an artificial fuss, so the Iranian people don't think about reforms and focus on the lurking outside enemies.

You do not need to explain your wishes,in fact every one knows who you are.

 

[Hossein2]

At the beginning of the Iraq War, Iran had the most powerful Military in the Middle East. It had the latest Tanks and Fighters from the USA. So Iran was more than a match to Iraq.

And as far you are right, major global powers did support Iraq but Iran also got help from other nations such as North Korea and lets not forget the secret weapon transfers to Iran by Israel and USA to free hostages in Lebanon.

So yeah, Iran had a powerful military but still could not defeat Iraq while Iraq got annihilated in the first Gulf War in 100 hours. Even if Iraq had the same Army it had in 1980 when the war started, it would have taken 110 hours to completely destroy the Iraqi Army.

As for my last sentence:

Turkey has a more powerful Air force, Land Army and Navy than Iran
Egypt has a more powerful Air Force, Land Army and Navy than Iran
Pakistan has a more powerful Air Force, Land Army and Navy than Iran
Saudi Arabia has a more powerful Air Force, Land Army (Iran is stronger) and more powerful Navy than Iran

Seriously, when you compare yourself to these 4 countries, which branches of Iranian military are stronger than what these countries have?

Its all good to be nationalistic but not at the expense of common sense.

I told you not to show your overwhelming intelligence but it seems you like everyone know you!
No one even gave us even barbed wires!What are you talking about?That modern army would use such modern equipment only for a short period of time and after that?We would fight with stone probably!We never had a full air support because we didn't have much of those high-techs!
We only had a very short period of time being supported with heavy fire!Iraq always had heavy fire both from land and air even when they didn't intend to operate!The only place where they couldn't do anything was sea.And of course we WON the war.Why?Because we where defending our country and we intended not to let the enemy capture the smallest part of Iran!But Iraq's purpose?It even declared it is going to capture Tehran in one WEEK!!!!!
It couldn't do that so it was defeated and we won since we didn't let them capture our country.
And believe me if the US didn't threaten to use nukes against us(after that damn cruiser targeted our non-military airplane and made that disaster happen),we surely would capture the entire Iraq!Our navy and land force doesn't have any rival in the region.

 

[Cyrus the Great]

The one major advantage the Iranians would have over our forces is their willingness to commit suicide. One could imagine many, many suicide attacks both from the waters and from the air on USN ships. So, it is likely that the USN would suffer some serious losses of lives and ships. However, in the process, the US would be so totally pi$$ed off that there would be nothing left of any Iranian military facility or capability. We would borrow all the money we need, for all the bombs it would take, from the PRC, if necessary. Heck! We might even raise taxes on ourselves to pay for wiping out the Iranian military capability. And the US would not let Iran re-build any military capability for a generation.

you are over estimating US power. US can damage Iran a lot but finally can not win, the war will be loss-loss.
mean after war even you can not protect yourself let alone stop Iran from rebulding military. after war you will need someone to protect you from china

 

[Mercenary]

I told you not to show your overwhelming intelligence but it seems you like everyone know you!
No one even gave us even barbed wires!What are you talking about?That modern army would use such modern equipment only for a short period of time and after that?We would fight with stone probably!We never had a full air support because we didn't have much of those high-techs!
We only had a very short period of time being supported with heavy fire!Iraq always had heavy fire both from land and air even when they didn't intend to operate!The only place where they couldn't do anything was sea.And of course we WON the war.Why?Because we where defending our country and we intended not to let the enemy capture the smallest part of Iran!But Iraq's purpose?It even declared it is going to capture Tehran in one WEEK!!!!!
It couldn't do that so it was defeated and we won since we didn't let them capture our country.
And believe me if the US didn't threaten to use nukes against us(after that damn cruiser targeted our non-military airplane and made that disaster happen),we surely would capture the entire Iraq!Our navy and land force doesn't have any rival in the region.

That kind of rhetoric may pass as facts at Iranian Nationalist Forums but not here.

Here is a partial list of Weapons sold to Iran during Iraq-Iran War.

North Korea - Chinese SilkWorm Anti-Ship Missiles, T-62 tanks, 12,000 machine guns and rifles and 1000 mortars, 400 artillery pieces of 122 to 155mm variance, 170 mm KOKSAN self-propelled cannon, 9K11 Malyutka (NATO reporting name AT-3 Sagger) ATGMs, 600 57 mm AZP S-60 anti-aircraft guns, self-propelled version is the ZSU-57-2, and radar-controlled 23 mm ZSU-23-4, SA-7 shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, 90-100 Scud missiles.

Israel - 150 M-40 antitank guns and 24,000 shells per gun. Spare parts for tank and aircraft engines, 106 mm, 130 mm, 203 mm and 175 mm shells and TOW missiles. 75 million dollars in ammo.

Soviet Union - 130 mm towed field guns M1954 (M-46), tank engines and ammunition.

The War itself was a Stalemate neither side won. If Iran inflicted such a devastating defeat on Iraq, then how is it that Saddam decided to invade Kuwait 2 years later? Wouldn't his Army had been in tatters?

LOL...Iran would have captured all of Iraq?

Your Navy got annhiliated during Operation Praying Mantis and your air force is non-existant. Your Land Forces could only challenge the Saudis, not on the equipment but on sheer incompetence the Saudis have. Besides that, all the major regional powers Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have more powerful militaries than Iran.

Keep lying to yourself.

 

[Hossein2]

That kind of rhetoric may pass as facts at Iranian Nationalist Forums but not here.

Here is a partial list of Weapons sold to Iran during Iraq-Iran War.

North Korea - Chinese SilkWorm Anti-Ship Missiles, T-62 tanks, 12,000 machine guns and rifles and 1000 mortars, 400 artillery pieces of 122 to 155mm variance, 170 mm KOKSAN self-propelled cannon, 9K11 Malyutka (NATO reporting name AT-3 Sagger) ATGMs, 600 57 mm AZP S-60 anti-aircraft guns, self-propelled version is the ZSU-57-2, and radar-controlled 23 mm ZSU-23-4, SA-7 shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, 90-100 Scud missiles.

Israel - 150 M-40 antitank guns and 24,000 shells per gun. Spare parts for tank and aircraft engines, 106 mm, 130 mm, 203 mm and 175 mm shells and TOW missiles. 75 million dollars in ammo.

Soviet Union - 130 mm towed field guns M1954 (M-46), tank engines and ammunition.

The War itself was a Stalemate neither side won. If Iran inflicted such a devastating defeat on Iraq, then how is it that Saddam decided to invade Kuwait 2 years later? Wouldn't his Army had been in tatters?

LOL...Iran would have captured all of Iraq?

Your Navy got annhiliated during Operation Praying Mantis and your air force is non-existant. Your Land Forces could only challenge the Saudis, not on the equipment but on sheer incompetence the Saudis have. Besides that, all the major regional powers Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have more powerful militaries than Iran.

Keep lying to yourself.

And you keep wishing about that!Our navy and land force are completely well-trained and use modern self-produced weapons.
In fact we are self-sufficient and I assure you(and I swear!)no one in the region can fight with us and not lose!Not only in the region but also in a distance of much more than that!So before commenting,first try to find out what we have,what we can make and what we can do in battle fields.Even a small child can deduce we are stronger than all of them!And I told you,we were supposed not to let Iraq capture a smallest part of Iran and I believe your information is unreasonable about supplying Iran.Our marine commandos were moaning of our traitor president for not delivering them even enough G-3 bullets!Then we had bought so much artillery?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Why people want to see US to annihilate Iran?

Iran only wants to defend itself and it never officially threatened anyone, why some people here keep expressing this warmonger mentality towards Iran?

 

[gambit]

Why people want to see US to annihilate Iran?

Iran only wants to defend itself and it never officially threatened anyone, why some people here keep expressing this warmonger mentality towards Iran?

Does Israel count?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Does Israel count?

Well, their President did maybe curse Israel, but he didn't threaten to wipe Israel off the map.

I want to see the original speech from Ahmadinejad, not some twisted report from the manipulative western media.

 

[gambit]

you are over estimating US power. US can damage Iran a lot but finally can not win, the war will be loss-loss.

Nonsense. Political goals determine military objectives. If the political goal is to deny Iran the military capability to do X, Y, and Z, the military objectives will be matching. We can ground the Iranian Air Force, sink the Iranian Navy, and simply stay out the ground. We do not need to invade Iran to militarily cripple Iran.

mean after war even you can not protect yourself let alone stop Iran from rebulding military. after war you will need someone to protect you from china

We are not afraid of China now and we are busy with Iraq, Afghanistan, and a recovering economy.

Well, their President did maybe curse Israel, but he didn't threaten to wipe Israel off the map.

I want to see the original speech from Ahmadinejad, not some twisted report from the manipulative western media.

Not talking about that. Think harder...