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[Stryker1982]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1229535640427147264

See this lovely thread!

 

[VEVAK]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-it-could-someday-carry-nuclear-weapon-124231

Here what was interesting to me:

US so called Military annalist are slowly wakening to the vastness of Iran's actual stock although to get to 55,000 surface to surface missile you'd have calculate in a whole range of Iranian Missiles much shorter ranged than Iran's Fateh-110 but still!

However, although they are wakening up to our stock it would seem they remain utterly clueless about almost everything else!

David Axe in his analysis puts Shahab-1 in the category of one of the larger stocks when in reality the Shahab-1 is one of least produced comparatively because it's a missile we haven't produced for almost 2 decades and today Iran wouldn't even waste fuel on them! However at the very least Its apparent that they are now aware that the Fateh class has been the largest produced Iranian BM to date. Although from their perspective claiming that the largest produced Iranian missile is actually Shahab-1 or even the Shahab-2 would give them the opportunity to dump off the Patriot system on the Arab countries who listen to them and don't know any better.... since that's about all the patriot system seems to be good for!

It also still seem that they are either still rather clueless or intentionally lying (out of fear of losing billions in sales to Arabs) when it comes to our longer ranged missiles like the Sejil-2 and how Iran was able to increase the accuracy of its missiles to a point that the idiot tried to tie in scud guidance system to the Fateh class.

 

[Sina-1]

dump off the Patriot system on the Arab countries who listen to them and don't know any better.... since that's about all the patriot system seems to be good for!

dude, PG arabs are not idiots. Granted they are slaves and must listen to their masters, but even they know that patriot is a piece of crap system. However they are also incompetent so even if they would receive a perfect weapon they would still find a way to screw it up.

how Iran was able to increase the accuracy of its missiles to a point that the idiot tried to tie in scud guidance system to the Fateh class

you know, the propaganda rhetoric is still of the stupid mullah type. So of course the accuracy of our missiles is either miraculously still due to scud-legacy or alternatively ALOT of foreign help! Haha, our engineering force is seemingly just turning kababs!

 

[GWXP]

55000 missiles estimate mainly consists of Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 rockets....ballistic missile arsenal is much smaller

 

[Mithridates]

lol guys do you remember that members like legend used to mock Iranian anti ship ballistic missiles?? well it seems like their master (USA) is also tries to make such weapon with their HIMARS rocket.

 

[TheImmortal]

lol guys do you remember that members like legend used to mock Iranian anti ship ballistic missiles?? well it seems like their master (USA) is also tries to make such weapon with their HIMARS rocket.

Himars is a MLRS system not a ballistic missile system.

Without a guidance system in warhead it’s a rocket that flies on a trajectory and traditional gravity based physics.

dude, PG arabs are not idiots. Granted they are slaves and must listen to their masters, but even they know that patriot is a piece of crap system. However they are also incompetent so even if they would receive a perfect weapon they would still find a way to screw it up.



you know, the propaganda rhetoric is still of the stupid mullah type. So of course the accuracy of our missiles is either miraculously still due to scud-legacy or alternatively ALOT of foreign help! Haha, our engineering force is seemingly just turning kababs!

Patriot is not a “piece of crap system”. I am sure @PeeD would also disagree with your assessment.

In fact since 1990 Patriot Missile system has performed rather well against SCUD and Ballistic missiles. It’s main detractors are cost of interceptors and operational cost.

If Patriot system is a “piece of garbage” then so is Bavar-373 and S-300 and nearly every other modern long range air defense system to exist because they all operate on similar basic principles and use similar technology to track and bring down targets.

Every air defense has its vulnerabilities, weakness, etc. to build the perfect air defense system is to build the perfect warship, fighter jet, etc. it’s impractical and costly.

 

[VEVAK]

55000 missiles estimate mainly consists of Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 rockets....ballistic missile arsenal is much smaller

In response I would says Irans rocket Artillery stock including of course rockets smaller than the Fajr-3 far exceeds 55000 easily....

 

[VEVAK]

dude, PG arabs are not idiots. Granted they are slaves and must listen to their masters, but even they know that patriot is a piece of crap system. However they are also incompetent so even if they would receive a perfect weapon they would still find a way to screw it up.



you know, the propaganda rhetoric is still of the stupid mullah type. So of course the accuracy of our missiles is either miraculously still due to scud-legacy or alternatively ALOT of foreign help! Haha, our engineering force is seemingly just turning kababs!

Why would it be so hard to believe that our guys after working to improve on the Fateh class for well over a decade could achieve accuracy that we did at Ain al Assad considering we didn't actually have to invent or re-invent the wheel (in terms of subsystems) to do it! it's not like our missile program was born yesterday! And we sure as hell aren't short of world class engineers!

As for PG Arabs take a good look because people like Michael Elleman is exactly the type of ppl they were paying money to listen too.

This is a guy who even up to 5-6 years ago would go around and get paid to tell people that for Iran to hit his office in Bahrain (250 km away) we basically would need to fire 1000 to 10000 missile.

And its not a question of whether Arab are stupid or not! Of course Arabs ppl aren't stupid! However if you look at our own history when we were a puppet sate you'll understand that this has more to do with the bubble the Americans have their leadership in.....

 

[Stryker1982]

This is a guy who even up to 5-6 years ago would go around and get paid to tell people that for Iran to hit his office in Bahrain (250 km away) we basically would need to fire 1000 to 10000 missile.

This is the best and most laughable part of his analysis. He still insists to this day Iran has a CEP of 100m for Fateh. One Fateh in his office would be nice, or a small Quds CM, he's not worth the use of a beautiful Fateh

 

[VEVAK]

https://southfront.org/analysis-of-the-iranian-missile-strikes-on-ayn-al-asad-airbase/

 

[VEVAK]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="fa" dir="rtl">سردار حاجی زاده: کسی که باعث شد موشکی تا این حد گسترش پیدا بکند و همچنان گمنام است، دکتر قالیباف است...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/انتقام_سخت?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#انتقام_سخت</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/موشک?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#موشک</a> <a href="https://t.co/dlicRqnw66">pic.twitter.com/dlicRqnw66</a></p>&mdash; شوفر (@Seyedma2169) <a href="

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[Smarana Mitra]

Why would it be so hard to believe that our guys after working to improve on the Fateh class for well over a decade could achieve accuracy that we did at Ain al Assad considering we didn't actually have to invent or re-invent the wheel (in terms of subsystems) to do it! it's not like our missile program was born yesterday! And we sure as hell aren't short of world class engineers!

As for PG Arabs take a good look because people like Michael Elleman is exactly the type of ppl they were paying money to listen too.

This is a guy who even up to 5-6 years ago would go around and get paid to tell people that for Iran to hit his office in Bahrain (250 km away) we basically would need to fire 1000 to 10000 missile.

And its not a question of whether Arab are stupid or not! Of course Arabs ppl aren't stupid! However if you look at our own history when we were a puppet sate you'll understand that this has more to do with the bubble the Americans have their leadership in.....

Iran may have worked hard in propulsion and other mechanical aspects. But semiconductor is the key to guidance. Unless Iran can develop semiconductor technology of at least 3um node, it will not be possible to increase accuracy. Off the shelf computer chips can't be used for guidance as the ballistic missile travels in very high speed and the temperature will spike beyond tolerable limits. So, it requires toughened semiconductors which can withstand these extreme conditions. No country will sell such technology and hence it has to be indigenous.

Iran does not have the semiconductor technology to have high accuracy. Iranian semiconductor technology is similar to 1960s in USA and hence the missile accuracy can be considered to be similar to USA missiles of 1970s. Even before semiconductor era in 1970s, there were still rudimentary guidance which was used for space shuttle etc but can't be considered to have high accuracy while guiding a ballistic missile. With the level of semiconductor technology Iran has, the CEP will 100m for a ~300km ballistic missile. Iran can at best make cruise missiles travelling at 0.7Mach with off the shelf semiconductor chipsets. At speeds of 0.7 Mach (~200m/s), the heating effect is low and hence off the shelf semiconductors chipsets of computers can handle that. If it wants highly accurate supersonic missiles, then there is no substitute for semiconductor technology.

 

[TheImmortal]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="fa" dir="rtl">سردار حاجی زاده: کسی که باعث شد موشکی تا این حد گسترش پیدا بکند و همچنان گمنام است، دکتر قالیباف است...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/انتقام_سخت?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#انتقام_سخت</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/موشک?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#موشک</a> <a href="https://t.co/dlicRqnw66">pic.twitter.com/dlicRqnw66</a></p>&mdash; شوفر (@Seyedma2169) <a href="

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">February 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What a damn joke, Hajizadeh praising Qalibaf a known criminal and one of the heads of corruption in Tehran!

Hajizadeh is a known propagandist! Between him and Salami I don’t know which one is a bigger joke to hear speak. Salami is the “John McCain” of IRGC loves to talk tough and make outlandish claims and Hajizadeh just loves to hear himself speak while spreading his propaganda.

The real military minds are behind the scenes fighting and building. These guys might as well be labeled PR reps.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

What a damn joke, Hajizadeh praising Qalibaf a known criminal and one of the heads of corruption in Tehran!

Hajizadeh is a known propagandist! Between him and Salami I don’t know which one is a bigger joke to hear speak. Salami is the “John McCain” of IRGC loves to talk tough and make outlandish claims and Hajizadeh just loves to hear himself speak while spreading his propaganda.

The real military minds are behind the scenes fighting and building. These guys might as well be labeled PR reps.

Qalibaf was the commander of the IRGC Air Force in the late 1990s. I take Sardar Hajizadeh's word over an egotistical clown like you any day of the week!

 

[PeeD]

Iran may have worked hard in propulsion and other mechanical aspects. But semiconductor is the key to guidance. Unless Iran can develop semiconductor technology of at least 3um node, it will not be possible to increase accuracy. Off the shelf computer chips can't be used for guidance as the ballistic missile travels in very high speed and the temperature will spike beyond tolerable limits. So, it requires toughened semiconductors which can withstand these extreme conditions. No country will sell such technology and hence it has to be indigenous.

Iran does not have the semiconductor technology to have high accuracy. Iranian semiconductor technology is similar to 1960s in USA and hence the missile accuracy can be considered to be similar to USA missiles of 1970s. Even before semiconductor era in 1970s, there were still rudimentary guidance which was used for space shuttle etc but can't be considered to have high accuracy while guiding a ballistic missile. With the level of semiconductor technology Iran has, the CEP will 100m for a ~300km ballistic missile. Iran can at best make cruise missiles travelling at 0.7Mach with off the shelf semiconductor chipsets. At speeds of 0.7 Mach (~200m/s), the heating effect is low and hence off the shelf semiconductors chipsets of computers can handle that. If it wants highly accurate supersonic missiles, then there is no substitute for semiconductor technology.

Mate, release your frustration on the somewhat slow pace of Indian missile development somewhere else... this is the main Iranian sticky thread on missiles.

At least when you would have argued with g-forces that occur instead of the temperature argument...