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Reality is if you strike the entrances and then strike the support equipment (air flow systems, oxygen systems, power systems, etc) then that underground base becomes a coffin, no different than miners getting trapped in a collapsed mine.
So wether Iran builds its bases 500 meters or 5000 meters the same basic principles hold:
A) the base will have entrances
B) the base will have shafts
C) the base will have support equipment
If these equipment are truly being kept “500 meters” below sea level and not “500 meters below the top of the mountain” then tempatures will rise as you get closer to the earth’s core and significant cooling systems will need to be put in place.
Hence why due to their conventional threat these bases are lacking as the second strike capability they provide is non nuclear.
Where as if they were nuclear, the enemy would have to worry that even if they destroyed the entrances and life support equipment. The soldiers inside would still be able to launch the retaliatory nuclear strike.
Lastly if Iran loses air superiority during the war then these bases are toast, as the US will likely drop MOABs on them to knock them out of commission for months.
So again just because something is underground, doesn’t mean it’s safe. In this case storing missiles underground then having to excavate them when the entrances collapse due to air strikes serves the same purpose for the enemy (delaying you from launching the missiles).
In the age of 24/7 satellite surveillance the entrances could constantly be attacked. And in case of silos, bunker busters can be dropped on the silo covers.
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A main feature of the concept are break-out exits. Special drilling machines and pre-drilled shafts are used to create random exits along the mountain.
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Latest Video Of Iran's Bond Villain-Like Ballistic Missile Lairs Shows Key New Detail
Iran has invested heavily in its subterranean ballistic missile infrastructure and is able to build, service, and fire them from underground.
BY TYLER ROGOWAY MAY 29, 2019
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It is no secret that if Iran thinks something is of extreme strategic value it is also at the top of their enemies' targeting lists and it is safer buried beneath the ground than not. Since 2015, Iran has sporadically shown off videos of its elaborate and impressively large missile caverns that are not only designed to store and assembleballistic missiles, but also to launch through from deep cylindrical concrete apertures in the roofs of specially designed subterranean firing rooms. Now a new video has been released showing another interesting, but highly logical feature of these underground bases.
The video, which was posted by Iranian media just days ago, gives us a higher-definition look at some of the areas in one of the country's missile caverns. In particular, it shows a blast door and drawbridge mechanism that opens and closes when passing from one section of the cavern to another. This is a very important feature as it means that even if one section of the cave system is successfully struck or an accidental detonation of explosive components occurs and it is destroyed, the other sections would remain isolated and should survive.
The video goes on to show a number of missile components appearing to belong to the Qiam-1 short-range ballistic missile system in storage and being assembled for deployment from one of the base's underground launch rooms. The Qiam-1 has a range of around 400 miles.
We get to see a closeup of the missile launching through the thick concrete aperture in the launch room's roof from the outside. A screengrab from this section clearly shows the launch room illuminated as the booster is fired. In the past, there were some questions as to the authenticity of the launch portions of the videos, which were often shot at long distances. The missile then climbs away through the hole and past steep terrain. By placing the fissures on a sloped mountain, it would presumably make them harder to strike directly.
YOUTUBE SCREENCAP
You can clearly see the launch room and TEL from this video shot outside the launch room's roof aperture.
These cave complexes are not immune to conventional strike, but they are highly resistant to standoff cruise missile attacks, giving Iran time, at least under some circumstances, to fire off ballistic missiles even as an attack was underway. The U.S. has the capability to hit bunkers buried inside mountains without resorting to nuclear weapons via the gargantuan GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator guided bunker buster, but these are limited in number and require the use of a B-2 stealth bomber for delivery. The U.S. and its allies can also burrow down using smaller bunker busters dropped on the same coordinates in succession, but it is not clear if those munitions could effectively destroy such a large and segmented cavern system that is likely to feature long sections buried deep below mountainous terrain.
Other videos of the caverns show long lines of missiles sitting ready for deployment on mobile transporter-erector-launchers. As such, at least some of them serve as ready storage and deployment sites for land-mobile ballistic missiles systems, as well. These facilities are in addition to Iran's 'underground cities' where the missile components themselves are constructed. A handful of these are said to exist, giving Iran an 'end-to-end' hardened ballistic missile infrastructure. This concept is meant to act as much as a deterrent as anything else.
The huge investment Iran has dumped into its ballistic missile infrastructure is no surprise because of this fact. If a war were to spark off in and around the Persian Gulf, Iran would make its primary foe and its allies pay via ballistic missile barrages. This could quickly turn a limited conflict into a far wider and complex one. Even though they are not impenetrable, these facilities will be a major tactical problem to deal with during a conflict and will require plenty of combat capacity of the highest order to effectively neutralize. Clearly, the release of this latest video comes at a time of heightened tensions with the U.S. and its regional allies, and is a form of counter-messaging to the United States military's own aggressive messaging push in regards to the risk its forces pose to Iran's own combat capabilities.
Hopefully the effectiveness of these elaborate underground installations, both in terms of launching missile barrages over substantial ranges and surviving an aerial attack, isn't ever put to the test.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-ballistic-missile-lairs-shows-key-new-detail
Even aliens don’t have enough guts to wage a war on IRAN.
We are not Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, etc...
Iran has invested heavily in its subterranean ballistic missile infrastructure and is able to build, service, and fire them from underground.
BY TYLER ROGOWAY MAY 29, 2019
TYLER ROGOWAYView Tyler Rogoway's Articles
twitter.com/Aviation_Intel
It is no secret that if Iran thinks something is of extreme strategic value it is also at the top of their enemies' targeting lists and it is safer buried beneath the ground than not. Since 2015, Iran has sporadically shown off videos of its elaborate and impressively large missile caverns that are not only designed to store and assembleballistic missiles, but also to launch through from deep cylindrical concrete apertures in the roofs of specially designed subterranean firing rooms. Now a new video has been released showing another interesting, but highly logical feature of these underground bases.
The video, which was posted by Iranian media just days ago, gives us a higher-definition look at some of the areas in one of the country's missile caverns. In particular, it shows a blast door and drawbridge mechanism that opens and closes when passing from one section of the cavern to another. This is a very important feature as it means that even if one section of the cave system is successfully struck or an accidental detonation of explosive components occurs and it is destroyed, the other sections would remain isolated and should survive.
The video goes on to show a number of missile components appearing to belong to the Qiam-1 short-range ballistic missile system in storage and being assembled for deployment from one of the base's underground launch rooms. The Qiam-1 has a range of around 400 miles.
We get to see a closeup of the missile launching through the thick concrete aperture in the launch room's roof from the outside. A screengrab from this section clearly shows the launch room illuminated as the booster is fired. In the past, there were some questions as to the authenticity of the launch portions of the videos, which were often shot at long distances. The missile then climbs away through the hole and past steep terrain. By placing the fissures on a sloped mountain, it would presumably make them harder to strike directly.
YOUTUBE SCREENCAP
You can clearly see the launch room and TEL from this video shot outside the launch room's roof aperture.
These cave complexes are not immune to conventional strike, but they are highly resistant to standoff cruise missile attacks, giving Iran time, at least under some circumstances, to fire off ballistic missiles even as an attack was underway. The U.S. has the capability to hit bunkers buried inside mountains without resorting to nuclear weapons via the gargantuan GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator guided bunker buster, but these are limited in number and require the use of a B-2 stealth bomber for delivery. The U.S. and its allies can also burrow down using smaller bunker busters dropped on the same coordinates in succession, but it is not clear if those munitions could effectively destroy such a large and segmented cavern system that is likely to feature long sections buried deep below mountainous terrain.
Other videos of the caverns show long lines of missiles sitting ready for deployment on mobile transporter-erector-launchers. As such, at least some of them serve as ready storage and deployment sites for land-mobile ballistic missiles systems, as well. These facilities are in addition to Iran's 'underground cities' where the missile components themselves are constructed. A handful of these are said to exist, giving Iran an 'end-to-end' hardened ballistic missile infrastructure. This concept is meant to act as much as a deterrent as anything else.
The huge investment Iran has dumped into its ballistic missile infrastructure is no surprise because of this fact. If a war were to spark off in and around the Persian Gulf, Iran would make its primary foe and its allies pay via ballistic missile barrages. This could quickly turn a limited conflict into a far wider and complex one. Even though they are not impenetrable, these facilities will be a major tactical problem to deal with during a conflict and will require plenty of combat capacity of the highest order to effectively neutralize. Clearly, the release of this latest video comes at a time of heightened tensions with the U.S. and its regional allies, and is a form of counter-messaging to the United States military's own aggressive messaging push in regards to the risk its forces pose to Iran's own combat capabilities.
Hopefully the effectiveness of these elaborate underground installations, both in terms of launching missile barrages over substantial ranges and surviving an aerial attack, isn't ever put to the test.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-ballistic-missile-lairs-shows-key-new-detail
Even aliens don’t have enough guts to wage a war on IRAN.
We are not Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, etc...
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Why'd they ruin the aesthetic with pictures of Sean Connery and a huge israeli flag (proof zionists control iran) instead of just leaving it as is? Sometimes less is better, this is like painting over glass.
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I’m curious how you think an exit is going to avoid satellite detection. From what I saw of satellite images of Fordow, it has two main exits. In case of these missile bases, An exit needs to allow the removal of missile by something the size of a TEL. So it wouldn’t be a “shaft” but rather a tunnel size exit.
Furthermore, there cannot be “random” exits along the mountain because that defies logic. A TEL while having some off road capability cannot just go up and down rugged mountain edges while carrying a sensitive solid fuel missile. Thus any exits from the mountain would built near a dirt road and again visible to recon sats.
So that type of exit is not exactly going to be easy to hide especially with technologies such as SAR or even imagining technologies much more advanced than that (classified) that can pick up changes to earths foundation/dirt.
Like I said, US has been facing underground bases since 1940s through the Cold War and through rise of nuclear Communist China. It knows a thing or two about finding these types of bases. Never underestimate your enemy.
In the past, Soviet Union and China used such bases to cement second strike capability and project Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) Doctrine. The enemy could not be sure that it could relabily destroy all of the other party’s nuclear weapons in a first strike salvo, thus such bases created nuclear survivability deterrence.
In Iran’s case, these bases also serve as deterrence. However, once war breaks out deterrence is lost because the enemy will attack the bases irregardless because the worst case scenario and doing nothing are the same result for the enemy.
Worst case scenario for US is the base is still operational after an concerted attack by B-2’s carrying MOABs flanked by F-22’s for air to air protection. Iran then fires BMs in retaliation from said base.
If the US does nothing and leaves these bases alone, then Iran likely fires BMs during course of war from those bases anyway.
Like I said, same result.
Some examples of Iran underground missile bases
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He means they have drilling equipment inside the base with half drilled exit tunnels. If and when the existing exits are compromised, they quickly open the half drilled ones.I’m curious how you think an exit is going to avoid satellite detection. From what I saw of satellite images of Fordow, it has two main exits. In case of these missile bases, An exit needs to allow the removal of missile by something the size of a TEL. So it wouldn’t be a “shaft” but rather a tunnel size exit.
Furthermore, there cannot be “random” exits along the mountain because that defies logic. A TEL while having some off road capability cannot just go up and down rugged mountain edges while carrying a sensitive solid fuel missile. Thus any exits from the mountain would built near a dirt road and again visible to recon sats.
So that type of exit is not exactly going to be easy to hide especially with technologies such as SAR or even imagining technologies much more advanced than that (classified) that can pick up changes to earths foundation/dirt.
Like I said, US has been facing underground bases since 1940s through the Cold War and through rise of nuclear Communist China. It knows a thing or two about finding these types of bases. Never underestimate your enemy.
In the past, Soviet Union and China used such bases to cement second strike capability and project Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) Doctrine. The enemy could not be sure that it could relabily destroy all of the other party’s nuclear weapons in a first strike salvo, thus such bases created nuclear survivability deterrence.
In Iran’s case, these bases also serve as deterrence. However, once war breaks out deterrence is lost because the enemy will attack the bases irregardless because the worst case scenario and doing nothing are the same result for the enemy.
Worst case scenario for US is the base is still operational after an concerted attack by B-2’s carrying MOABs flanked by F-22’s for air to air protection. Iran then fires BMs in retaliation from said base.
If the US does nothing and leaves these bases alone, then Iran likely fires BMs during course of war from those bases anyway.
Like I said, same result.
Some examples of Iran underground missile bases
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I’m curious how you think an exit is going to avoid satellite detection. From what I saw of satellite images of Fordow, it has two main exits. In case of these missile bases, An exit needs to allow the removal of missile by something the size of a TEL. So it wouldn’t be a “shaft” but rather a tunnel size exit.
Furthermore, there cannot be “random” exits along the mountain because that defies logic. A TEL while having some off road capability cannot just go up and down rugged mountain edges while carrying a sensitive solid fuel missile. Thus any exits from the mountain would built near a dirt road and again visible to recon sats.
So that type of exit is not exactly going to be easy to hide especially with technologies such as SAR or even imagining technologies much more advanced than that (classified) that can pick up changes to earths foundation/dirt.
Like I said, US has been facing underground bases since 1940s through the Cold War and through rise of nuclear Communist China. It knows a thing or two about finding these types of bases. Never underestimate your enemy.
In the past, Soviet Union and China used such bases to cement second strike capability and project Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) Doctrine. The enemy could not be sure that it could relabily destroy all of the other party’s nuclear weapons in a first strike salvo, thus such bases created nuclear survivability deterrence.
In Iran’s case, these bases also serve as deterrence. However, once war breaks out deterrence is lost because the enemy will attack the bases irregardless because the worst case scenario and doing nothing are the same result for the enemy.
Worst case scenario for US is the base is still operational after an concerted attack by B-2’s carrying MOABs flanked by F-22’s for air to air protection. Iran then fires BMs in retaliation from said base.
If the US does nothing and leaves these bases alone, then Iran likely fires BMs during course of war from those bases anyway.
Like I said, same result.
Some examples of Iran underground missile bases
Detection is not the issue, yes they would detect it.
@Arminkh explained. Of importance is to get the base operations going for at least a few hours until the entrance is bombed (not that this is a easy task at all) and needs re-opining or alternative new exits.
Each base may have dozens of pre-drilled break-out tunnels that can be opened as required.
TELs get in and out, reloaded and prepared in tunnels and spread out once a exit is temporarily operational. One must be always available for a salvo.
Flattening and road preparations are needed of course due to limited off-road capability of the TELs.
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New Iranian missiles:
2000-2010 Iran unveils Ashura, Sejil 1&2, Fateh-110.
2010-present Iran unveils Khorramshahr Missile. Everything else Iran has unveiled is simply a derivative of either Shahab-3 (SCUD family) or Fateh.
Iran has not built a new missile design since Sejil which was over 10 years ago!! Even Khorramshahr is an old missile that Iran finally got around to reverse engineering.
Seems Iran’s Missile program is progressing slowly in area of new development.
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well yes but Sejil 2 came out to be way more expensive than those missiles i do not now why and who knows maybe they did built new one's we do not know as you saw Khorramshahr missile came out of blue no one knew it was there and Iran's strategy wanted tactical missiles, semi ballistic one's for now the goal for Iran is to be superpower of ME and for that they want tactical missiles more, maybe in 5-10 years from now we go ballistic on missiles, and every one knows the technology is there if Iran chose to.
When it comes to these underground missile bases, the main issue for the US is that they doesn't know where every single one of these sites are located. When it comes to the secrecy of these sites I'm sure that Iran has taken every possible measure & counter measure to keep their location a secret for as long as possible. The men working in these facilities obviously have to pass an intense vetting process & they must be handpicked individuals with a proven track record, loyalty & with deep family ties in the military & nation.
In case of a war, the first few Iranian missile barrages will obviously be the most devastating & effective. After the US strikes & continues to strike at Iran's military infrastructure, Iran will most likely continue to launch a limited number of salvo's at sensitive & important targets. the Houthi's in Saudi Arabia don't even have underground tunnels like these & although the Saudi airforce can't be compared to what the US would being to the table incase of war with Iran, the US is helping them & providing them with satellite intelligence. However despite all of their efforts, they still can't prevent the Houthi's from continually launching missiles & suicide drones at significant targets deep inside the kingdom.
In case of an all out war Iran would have a vast number of targets that it could hit in order to slow down or hurt the enemy. Iran could target command & control centers, ammo/supply depots and of course hitting airbases would be a no brainer because it would hamper the enemies airpower. The US navy would be another prime target & Iran would surely launch a massive initial salvo in an attempt to overwhelm the US navy's defenses. All these targets would strike a blow at the enemy, however if Iran were to target Saudi & Persian Gulf Arab states oil facilities & infrastructure & destroy a significant portion, this would have a much more devastating, residual effect on the enemy.
When considering the possibility of war, many pundits point at the possibility of Iran blocking the straight of Hormuz. For Iran this would obviously be a viable option, however realistically Iran could not possibly hope to block off the straight for very long, perhaps a few days, at the most a few weeks at best. Alternatively if Iran were to focus the efforts at crippling Saudi/Persian Gulf oil facilities, this would have a much more devastating long term effect for not only Iran's enemy's but also the entire world. If Iran were to destroy most of the regions oil infrastructure, this would cause the price of oil to triple or quadruple overnight. Countless businesses throughout the world would quickly be forced to cease operations & consumer spending would hit rock bottom especially in the west. In short, the world would experience a global financial meltdown the likes of which it had never seen before.
Just as a side note, one variable that not many pundits or analysts have considered. According to the UN, according to the latest information from a few years back, Iran was responsible for 70% of the worlds Opium seizures. Iran's enemies like to accuse the nation & its government of being a narco state, however looking at the facts, nothing could be further from the truth. I believe President Rohani mentioned this topic a few months back,however it did not garner much attention at all. In any case, if Iran were to be pre occupied with an all out war, drug dealers & drug lords, especially Opium lords would experience a golden age of sorts. Without Iran seizing the majority of the Opium heading to the EU & North America, the Opiate epidemic, which in many nations in the west has been declared a national public emergency would grow 10 fold.
As yet another unintended consequence, like dominos falling one after another, if you think about it, it would be the Taliban who would most likely benefit the most from the above scenario since they pretty much have a monopoly on the industry at the moment. With a surplus of income, the Taliban, who already control half of Afghanistan after 18 yrs of US occupation, would have the opportunity to buy advanced weapons & greatly bolster their movement, perhaps even pushing the small number of US forces remaining in Afghanistan over the edge. I'm not saying that this scenario is guaranteed to occur exactly in the way that I've described, however it often is in the case of war, there tends to be unintended consequences all across the board.
In case of a war, the first few Iranian missile barrages will obviously be the most devastating & effective. After the US strikes & continues to strike at Iran's military infrastructure, Iran will most likely continue to launch a limited number of salvo's at sensitive & important targets. the Houthi's in Saudi Arabia don't even have underground tunnels like these & although the Saudi airforce can't be compared to what the US would being to the table incase of war with Iran, the US is helping them & providing them with satellite intelligence. However despite all of their efforts, they still can't prevent the Houthi's from continually launching missiles & suicide drones at significant targets deep inside the kingdom.
In case of an all out war Iran would have a vast number of targets that it could hit in order to slow down or hurt the enemy. Iran could target command & control centers, ammo/supply depots and of course hitting airbases would be a no brainer because it would hamper the enemies airpower. The US navy would be another prime target & Iran would surely launch a massive initial salvo in an attempt to overwhelm the US navy's defenses. All these targets would strike a blow at the enemy, however if Iran were to target Saudi & Persian Gulf Arab states oil facilities & infrastructure & destroy a significant portion, this would have a much more devastating, residual effect on the enemy.
When considering the possibility of war, many pundits point at the possibility of Iran blocking the straight of Hormuz. For Iran this would obviously be a viable option, however realistically Iran could not possibly hope to block off the straight for very long, perhaps a few days, at the most a few weeks at best. Alternatively if Iran were to focus the efforts at crippling Saudi/Persian Gulf oil facilities, this would have a much more devastating long term effect for not only Iran's enemy's but also the entire world. If Iran were to destroy most of the regions oil infrastructure, this would cause the price of oil to triple or quadruple overnight. Countless businesses throughout the world would quickly be forced to cease operations & consumer spending would hit rock bottom especially in the west. In short, the world would experience a global financial meltdown the likes of which it had never seen before.
Just as a side note, one variable that not many pundits or analysts have considered. According to the UN, according to the latest information from a few years back, Iran was responsible for 70% of the worlds Opium seizures. Iran's enemies like to accuse the nation & its government of being a narco state, however looking at the facts, nothing could be further from the truth. I believe President Rohani mentioned this topic a few months back,however it did not garner much attention at all. In any case, if Iran were to be pre occupied with an all out war, drug dealers & drug lords, especially Opium lords would experience a golden age of sorts. Without Iran seizing the majority of the Opium heading to the EU & North America, the Opiate epidemic, which in many nations in the west has been declared a national public emergency would grow 10 fold.
As yet another unintended consequence, like dominos falling one after another, if you think about it, it would be the Taliban who would most likely benefit the most from the above scenario since they pretty much have a monopoly on the industry at the moment. With a surplus of income, the Taliban, who already control half of Afghanistan after 18 yrs of US occupation, would have the opportunity to buy advanced weapons & greatly bolster their movement, perhaps even pushing the small number of US forces remaining in Afghanistan over the edge. I'm not saying that this scenario is guaranteed to occur exactly in the way that I've described, however it often is in the case of war, there tends to be unintended consequences all across the board.
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