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[PeeD]

Flawed thinking.

Iran has already accepted a self-imposed 2500KM limit on missiles so why would Europe accept that? Iran has already leveraged away that limit. If you wanted to get 2500KM limit, Iran would need to have rapidly developed 8000KM-10,000KM ICBM so that it could give that up in negotiation and the West can say they reduced Iran’s Missile range by 4x.

As of right now the West wants Iran under 500KM likely.

Furthermore, accepting any limit on missile program is simply the first step in disbanding the entire program over time. A Classic Western Tactic.

Iran will not be able to strong arm the West. West is not intimidated military, they went up against Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Soviet Union, so iran in comparison is a walk in the park.

Iran’s biggest flaw was not rapidly expanding economically post Revolution. By not being economically important to europe (outside of energy) there was little incentive for Europe to not follow US orders.

If you think that the threat of conventional missiles will deter Europe, you are naive. They have Russian nuclear tipped cruise missiles and BMs aimed at them for Decades. Iranian missiles are firecrackers in comparison.

The 2500km limit is a latent cap, not written on Paper.
Then you underestimate Rahbari: They knew exactly what Barjam was and requested every single detail of it.
JCPOA is a disaster for the west as Trump correctly said. Europeans have realized that too and play a foul game, not breaking the treaty but effectively embargoing Iran. If they go that way, Iran need a leverage to force them out of a illegitimate embargo: The use of a powerful asset is necessary.

Barjam MUST survive, it is the single greatest achievement of Iranian diplomacy in the recent history. You may underestimate Rahbari but if the US and now Europe think that JCPOA is only in favor of Iran, the rings should bell.
Iran has it on paper and China and Russia have also signed it. It is the most essential treaty for Irans strategic future.

So we can't break it via using assets that are forbidden by it.

But the MKO-Khorramshahr scenario is one leverage among others.
Testing of an IRBM for use against Diego Garcia is another leverage. Europeans must be forced out of their current strategy: the waiting game.

Russians are only slightly sanctioned by Europeans because of the threat they represent to Europe.
Iran does not need nuclear weapons, just a few of those 1,5t warheads against symbols of their power/military.

Also let me repeat: In geopolitics, a unilateral embargo can be regarded as a act of aggression, no need for military action. I can't stress that enough.

 

[TheImmortal]

The 2500km limit is a latent cap, not written on Paper.
Then you underestimate Rahbari: They knew exactly what Barjam was and requested every single detail of it.
JCPOA is a disaster for the west as Trump correctly said. Europeans have realized that too and play a foul game, not breaking the treaty but effectively embargoing Iran. If they go that way, Iran need a leverage to force them out of a illegitimate embargo: The use of a powerful asset is necessary.

Barjam MUST survive, it is the single greatest achievement of Iranian diplomacy in the recent history. You may underestimate Rahbari but if the US and now Europe think that JCPOA is only in favor of Iran, the rings should bell.
Iran has it on paper and China and Russia have also signed it. It is the most essential treaty for Irans strategic future.

So we can't break it via using assets that are forbidden by it.

But the MKO-Khorramshahr scenario is one leverage among others.
Testing of an IRBM for use against Diego Garcia is another leverage. Europeans must be forced out of their current strategy: the waiting game.

Russians are only slightly sanctioned by Europeans because of the threat they represent to Europe.
Iran does not need nuclear weapons, just a few of those 1,5t warheads against symbols of their power/military.

Also let me repeat: In geopolitics, a unilateral embargo can be regarded as a act of aggression, no need for military action. I can't stress that enough.

JCPOA was actually a good deal for the West hence why so many in the military/political establishment supported it and even israel supported it. Never had there been an nuclear agreement so strong.

The only reason Trump hated the Deal was because his predecessor Obama agreed to it. Trump doesn’t even know what the deal states. He is a Bafoon Who wants to undue Obama’s achievements. Hence his attempt to destroy Obamacare.

JCPOA was a ploy to trap Iran, like it has now. The US gave up NOTHING! The US 1979 embargo remained, sanctions against Iran’s human rights and missile program remained. Iran gave up fordow, Arak, and thousands of centrifuges to be able to get back to where it was pre 2010!

All Iran got was able to pump oil and SWIFT access. If you think that was a good deal for Iran, then again you are naive and Vatan foroosh. They took away some benefits that iran already had pre-sanctions and then gave them back.

Rahbar was not optimistic about the deal and he said this deal will fail and the West will not live up to its obligations. But he allowed it due to the consensus among the Iranian people and power brokers in Iran wanting to solve this issue. However, like you they were naive and thought the west can be trusted in good faith.

The West knew that once Iran signed the deal they couldn’t exit too much pressure. So the plan was all along to move the goal posts of what Iran needs to do....just over time. As soon as Iran rejected the first change The West wanted, the US left the deal. Now Iran is stuck in this deal because it doesn’t have the strength to exit it!

Now Iran has given up Fordow, Arak, and thousands of centrifuges FOR NOTHING! Iran is back to where it was prior to signing the deal. Yet you say this deal was a DISASTER for the West?!?! That the deal favors Iran?!!! Are you kidding me?

 

[PeeD]

If you think that was a good deal for Iran, then again you are naive and Vatan foroosh.

History will judge. There is another dimension to this and we may talk about it in 10 years.

 

[skyshadow]

 

[Draco.IMF]

Very interesting read about last cruise missile HOVEIZEH and some more additional infos
There is another cruise missile in development which can be fired from SU-22
It seems Hoveizeh is a ground breaking development and Iran is now putting a big focus in cruise missile development.
For non -farsi readers, open link in Google Chrome and let translate into english or other laguages

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1397/11/21/1938156/گزارش-تحلیلی-موشک-کروز-هویزه-دستِ-بزنِ-جدید-برای-سپاه-پاسداران

english translated:

Analytical Report: Cruise Hoyouse Missile; "New Hand" for Guards

"Iran's enemies, with the release of Cruise Hawisee, have better and more aware that Iran's ground-breaking cruises are a new problem for them, a new" brawler "whose regional equations will certainly be seriously affected."

Defense Department Tasnim - Hussein Dlyryan: Saturday last week, the first ground-based medium-range cruise missiles for Iran with Amir Ali Hajizadeh, commander Brigadier General Hatami defense minister and commander of the Aerospace Force Iranian Revolutionary Guards Islamic Revolution was unveiled.

The cruise missile is called Hoveizeh, and according to the Defense Minister, the missile had a range of 1,350 kilometers and a flight test of 1200 kilometers in range, and the missile managed to hit precisely targeted targets.

The Ministry of Defense said that the construction and production of Hawiza cruise missiles is an effective step in enhancing the capabilities of the armed forces and the country's deterioration capabilities, saying the missile "long hands" of the Islamic Republic of Iran in the field of missile defense.

The first Iranian cruise missile (produced) can be called the Sommar missile, officially launched in March 2012 as the first Iranian cruise missile, and said that the missile, Supreme Leader Hossein Dehghan, had said: It has distinctive features in comparison with the predecessor in control systems, structures and propulsion, and is one of the proud places that has a very significant effect in improving the country's defense capability.

The Somar rocket is a short-range, but similar to the Soviet-era KH-55 cruise missile, but it also has some serious missiles. In the most important part, the Somar cruise missile is 700 kilometers away, but the K-55 missile range is about 3,000 kilometers.

But now Iran has unveiled a missile that has hit 1,350 kilometers and has been able to destroy the target in its recent test. This is Iran's first intermediate-range missile in the field of land cruises, and is considered the best-selling cruise missile in our country.

Profile of a number of Iranian cruise missiles

• Guidence

Iranian missiles often use multiple guidance, most likely the "Turkam-TERCOM". This kind of guidance is based on a map of the earth's effects, and the missile runs on the basis of the input information to the computer or the flying computer, and with its various tools, it improves its path and improves its accuracy.

At the same time, it is clear that only such guidance is not used for missile navigation, but also from several other guides used to direct the Iranian missiles, including Glonass and INS, as well as the IRGC on cruise missiles Its 1500-kilometer (not yet unpacked ) launch has claimed that it has a wide range of systems, including Gps, Glonass, Tercom, Ins and Dsmac .

Obviously, Iran has access to detailed maps of land issues and missile guidance capabilities that can steer land-based cruise missiles at distances greater than 1,350 kilometers (Hawaiian cruise missile), although the availability of these equipment is not enough and, as a rule, There should also be other equipment, including new-generation gyroscopes, to precisely target the missile by modifying the route, something Iran is also among its holders.

If Iran did not have access to this possibility and other technologies, it would not have been possible to count on the accuracy of cruise missiles or even its ballistic missile, but it was clear from the Kurdish Party's anti-ISIL missile and anti-terrorist operations, and even tests, that the accuracy of Iranian missiles could be as high as possible. The attention has risen in recent years, and even in some cases we have reached a point.

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  • The Importance of Cruise Missiles

Perhaps one of the most important issues that makes the importance of using cruise missiles worse is that a significant part of the enemy's defense systems in the region have been in the field of ballistic missiles to counter Iran's aggressive capabilities, but now Iran has actually made a new phase. Which is far more confronted with countering ballistic missiles.

If Hassan Teherani Moghadam and his forces then spent years and years fighting large projects in the field of ballistic missiles, the launch of the Hawzize Earthquake rocket was a big event in Iran, and Iran has essentially laid foot in the field of extraordinary importance, which is surely behind it. , Hassan Tahrir has been another successor and will surely bring in more projects in the field of cruise missiles in the years to come.

The land cruise field is considered to be an extremely sensitive area, and today many of the world's most powerful countries have dominated their offensive power on the basis of the use of these missiles (with cruise operation), because powerful countries have their power in the aggressive field of exploitation The cruise missile power "can be easily understood in several ways and for some reason.

Cruise missiles have been attracted by the powers for many years due to their lower costs associated with ballistic missile production on the one hand, and on the other hand, the components involved in the missile movement towards the target (including flight profiles and firing and guiding processes) Is located. For example, most of the US missile strikes on Iraq and Syria, most of the Zionist regime's attacks on the positions of the Syrian army or the attacks of US coalition forces in Syria have been carried out using their potential.

Cruise missiles are not easily discovered. And when a country uses cruise missile (whether aircraft or terrestrial) in an offensive operation, because of low-level rocket flying and other cruise-related components, many radar systems can not detect an attacker's missile. Of course, the use of a cruise missile is not absolute, and in some attacks rockets have been explored and destroyed. It is clear that using cruise missiles, the accuracy of the impact is far higher.

Cruise Hoveysee missile was unveiled a few days ago, his older brother, Somar, was born, Josie Robin, former director of the Zionist missile program, announced that "I respect the Iranian hat", but now the enemies of Iran are unveiling a new generation Terrestrial cruise missiles have found better and more that the Iranian "ground cruises" means a serious and new problem for them, a new "brawler", which will seriously affect their regional equations.

 

[Raghfarm007]

 

[Sineva]

Pity they didnt show the 4d10 along with the other rocket motors

Heres a pic of the combustion chamber

And heres what the back end of the khorramshahr probably looks like,perhaps with some minor differences ie no aerogrids or dear leaders[lol!]

 

[Websorber]

IRGC showcases ballistic missiles on Islamic Revolution anniversary

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/142396/IRGC-showcases-ballistic-missiles-on-Islamic-Revolution-anniv

 

[Draco.IMF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1094993108679516160

Thoughts on this statement?

@PeeD & Co ?

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1094993108679516160

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@PeeD & Co ?

What a ridiculous statement.

Khorramshahr-2 is a huge advance, the first successful test of the Khorramshahr (by far the most powerful BM Iran has, signalling key advances made in fuel etc) and with a precision guidance warhead.

Hoveyzeh is also a huge advance when you consider Soumar had 700km range and had so many problems, finally they fixed the problems and now mastered the technology for a 1300km+ range LACM.

The Simorgh launch failed because of an issue with the third stage, last time it failed because of the second stage, now they fixed that at least and they will launch Simorgh again in Fall time. This shows increased will to advance space programme with more launches, which is very important. Sending a 100kg satellite into LEO with Simorgh by the end of the year would be a big breakthrough in itself too.

 

[sanel1412]

Well that is idiot statement...I would ask him how he know lunches were unsuccessfull?Iran can tell us what ever they want..we can only tell is new object detecteed in orbit but no one knows what Iran tested......truth is no one knows anything except official story and every lunch in this field is worth like a mountains of gold for development and every lunch by itslef is huge success...even if they didn't put satalite in orbit two lunches will speed up missile,re-entry vehicle and stalite deveopment..why he think west and Israel is screaming about latest lunches and missile tests....I mean,till two days ago no one knows for Dezful with 1000km range...before we saw image of Gama and vostok radars there was not even one rumor about these radars in Iran...same was when RA'AD2 AD system was unveiled..no one even suggest Iran is working on such system,there was some rumors about TOR like system in developemnt but nothing about that...point is we know only what Iran show us..heck every western intelligence prediction was prooved be wrong and everything world know about Iran military development is literary consited of counting what iran show on TV.... till two days He and We didn't know for ,as west call it ,"underground city" for missile production....now imagine what He and we don't know yet ...I know one thing...denying Iran development will not make it disapear..

 

[PeeD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1094993108679516160

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Trying to attract a response by someone with useful knowledge via a provokative bait

 

[Sineva]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1094993108679516160

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@PeeD & Co ?

What is he expecting exactly?,an iranian SS18-Satan complete with 20 marvs apiece,or perhaps an SS-N-20 Sturgeon complete with an ssb to launch it from?.Or perhaps JUST an iranian equivalent of the Hwasong 14 or 15 icbm?.
One would think that both the khorammshahr being shown fitted with a terminally guided warhead AND an iranian cruise missile,reengineered from a ch55 and with the range to reach israel,would be a very big deal especially considering how much irans ballistic missile forces frighten them already.
And then of course theres all the rest of the stuff thats still being pulled out of the hat.....literally almost right as we speak ie drone sat com.
Perhaps its just because some of these things ie the khorramshahr and the Hoveyzeh cruise missile were already expected and thus were not really unexpected "big surprises" that came out of literally nowhere like drone sat com for instance.

 

[scythian500]

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/936136/10-ویژگی-مهم-دزفول-از-بالک-تا-کلاهک-موشک-های-نقطه-زن-ایرانی

 

[Sineva]

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/936136/10-ویژگی-مهم-دزفول-از-بالک-تا-کلاهک-موشک-های-نقطه-زن-ایرانی

Good article
Heres some of the pics