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Hoveizeh was officially unveiled.
Range: 1350km

Range of Sumar was announced as 700km.

General Hajizadeh said our problems for jet engines has been solved and promised new cruise missiles of all kinds, including the anti ship variants.
 
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Iran Long-Range land attack Cruise Missile Hoveizeh, with a range of 1350 kilometers

 
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Hoveizeh was officially unveiled.
Range: 1350km

Range of Sumar was announced as 700km.

General Hajizadeh said our problems for jet engines has been solved and promised new cruise missiles of all kinds, including the anti ship variants.
just 700 km ? . :lol: that's a big fat lie

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So we see the following:
- Original Kh-55 had a range of 2500km (advanced turbofan)
- Hoveizieh has a range of about half of that (unknown different, non-pop out long engine)

So what can be concluded from this?

Scenario 1: Soumar with the original Kh-55 turbofan didn't reach production stage because of inability to serial produce a copy of the advanced Kh-55 turbofan

Scenario 2: That failed Soumar was replaced with a Tolou turbojet with added stages or afterburner enabling it to power the Hoveizieh

Scenario 3: Kh-55 engine was mastered with the Soumar, but a heavier warhead variant was required. In order to make this possible, a "mild" afterburner was added to the Kh-55 engine for increased thrust. Heavier warhead and afterburner cut range in half.

Scenario 4: Soumars Kh-55 engine was too expensive to compete with ballistic missiles and an afterburning Toloue turbojet was developed, cutting the range in half.

Scenario 5: Meshkat/Soumar and now Hoveizieh are counter intelligence operations since they can't compete with Zolfaghar and Emad BMs in terms of cost-effect anyway.

Edit: If the Soumar had 700km range down from the 2500km of the Kh-55 and the Hoveizieh has a turbofan I wonder whether the missile shown is infact that 700km range Soumar with a lange and long Toloue variant (afterburner added?).
In that Scenario the real Hoveizieh would look like the Soumar/Kh-55 after they got a Kh-55 turbofan copy running hot for sufficient time to reach "strategic" 1350km range.
 
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That thing is f***ING huge!
the size of warhead is was trying to point out and the diameter so you can see difference between Somuar and Hoveizeh ,

it is clearly N****** capable missile, but of-course they are going denies it anyway
 
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The Pakistani Babur is a case where a country with access to mini-turbojet (China), used a large Tomahawk based airframe to supply a large amount of fuel. They managed 700-800km IIRC.
That would fit the claimed 700km of the Soumar.

As the Hoveizieh is visible at the exhibition, it seems to have a Toloue based engine. It has no exotic afterburner and is just on a spacey nacelle with a somewhat deep inlet duct resulting in that long nacelle.
I have the feeling the Iranian 700km turbojet variant of the Kh-55 was shown for this open exhibition while the range figure of 1350km is in fact for variant with a Kh-55 like turbofan that can't be shown at a open exhibition.

The turbofan claim and 1350km range figure would fit a reverse engineered Kh-55 variant that just runs for ~1,5 hours before failing while the original 80's vintage Soviet engine (a technological marvel) survives for more than 3 hours to reach the max. range. The less fuel necessary for a 1,5 hour engine operation could then be used for a larger warhead.
It seems certain that a turbojet based CM of that dimensions could never reach 1350km, even with the best airframe materials.

The whole project is probably still in high classified condition of critical weapon systems.
Despite no cruise flight footage was shown I belief their claim that the first turbojet variant did 700km and now they have managed to reverse engineer a Kh-55 turbofan with half the operating lifetime (at a economic price).
We have also to notice that the Ya Ali CM with its Toloue turbojet also had a range claim of 700km.
 
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Iranian MP revealed, traitor government of Hasan Rouhani has already started negotiating on Iranian missiles.

1. In France, they have accepted to put a 700km cap on the range of Iranian missiles.

2. In Tehran, french negotiators reject their past agreement and demand a 300km range.

3.Iran refuses and french president threatens Iran with more sanction. (This part became public)



افشاگری کریمی قدوسی پیرامون گفتگوهای ایران و فرانسه درباره مسائل موشکی

That's absurd!!!!!

Do you have confirmation that Iran accepted a 700km cap and they refused? Because I'm willing to bet they would have jumped on it! Hell, they would of jumped on even 1000km because that would have effectively restricted Iran's capability to respond to any Israeli aggression since we don't actually have an Air Force nor the money to buy a new one in a sufficient amount of time!

As for talking with other countries over our missile program I have no problem with our officials talking as long as the talks go something like:

Based on our recent history we have seen the west not just stand by but arm, fund and cheer Saddam when he invaded Iran and was using Missiles and WMD's against us a country who hasn't started a war in over 250 years we have seen the U.S. place sanctions and prevent us from upgrading our Air Force for 40 years now and for no good reason and now even if those sanctions get lifted we simply can not make up for 40 years in a sufficient time to defend our country and after the JCPOA we have gotten confirmation that we can not trust anyone with our security particularly the west especially after what you guys did to Qadaffi and Libya after he handed over his missiles.
Now if France is worried about Iranian missiles falling on France we will gladly sign a new none aggression treaty with France but we will build missiles of any range that we want but if you even wanna discuss the ranges of our BM due to U.S. actions on the JCPOA we would 1st need 2 decades of complete freedom of all sanctions including U.S. sanctions before we even agree to discuss the range's of our BM with you short of that it simply isn't going to happen and if that doesn't please you we will happily replace French companies in Iran with Chinese and Russian companies
 
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That's absurd!!!!!

Do you have confirmation that Iran accepted a 700km cap and they refused? Because I'm willing to bet they would have jumped on it! Hell, they would of jumped on even 1000km because that would have effectively restricted Iran's capability to respond to any Israeli aggression since we don't actually have an Air Force nor the money to buy a new one in a sufficient amount of time!

As for talking with other countries over our missile program I have no problem with our officials talking as long as the talks go something like:

Based on our recent history we have seen the west not just stand by but arm, fund and cheer Saddam when he invaded Iran and was using Missiles and WMD's against us a country who hasn't started a war in over 250 years we have seen the U.S. place sanctions and prevent us from upgrading our Air Force for 40 years now and for no good reason and now even if those sanctions get lifted we simply can not make up for 40 years in a sufficient time to defend our country and after the JCPOA we have gotten confirmation that we can not trust anyone with our security particularly the west especially after what you guys did to Qadaffi and Libya after he handed over his missiles.
Now if France is worried about Iranian missiles falling on France we will gladly sign a new none aggression treaty with France but we will build missiles of any range that we want but if you even wanna discuss the ranges of our BM due to U.S. actions on the JCPOA we would 1st need 2 decades of complete freedom of all sanctions including U.S. sanctions before we even agree to discuss the range's of our BM with you short of that it simply isn't going to happen and if that doesn't please you we will happily replace French companies in Iran with Chinese and Russian companies
It's not a small matter, Karimi Qoddusi can't lie, otherwise neither government, nor pro-government MPs wouldn't let him to get away with it.
 
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It's not a small matter, Karimi Qoddusi can't lie, otherwise neither government, nor pro-government MPs wouldn't let him to get away with it.

Oh that’s rich, politicians can’t lie? STOP THE PRESSES everyone :sarcastic:

Iranian politicians are the most corrupt similar to their American counterparts. The Larijani brothers alone deserve to be purged from the republic.
 
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The Pakistani Babur is a case where a country with access to mini-turbojet (China), used a large Tomahawk based airframe to supply a large amount of fuel. They managed 700-800km IIRC.
That would fit the claimed 700km of the Soumar.

As the Hoveizieh is visible at the exhibition, it seems to have a Toloue based engine. It has no exotic afterburner and is just on a spacey nacelle with a somewhat deep inlet duct resulting in that long nacelle.
I have the feeling the Iranian 700km turbojet variant of the Kh-55 was shown for this open exhibition while the range figure of 1350km is in fact for variant with a Kh-55 like turbofan that can't be shown at a open exhibition.

The turbofan claim and 1350km range figure would fit a reverse engineered Kh-55 variant that just runs for ~1,5 hours before failing while the original 80's vintage Soviet engine (a technological marvel) survives for more than 3 hours to reach the max. range. The less fuel necessary for a 1,5 hour engine operation could then be used for a larger warhead.
It seems certain that a turbojet based CM of that dimensions could never reach 1350km, even with the best airframe materials.

The whole project is probably still in high classified condition of critical weapon systems.
Despite no cruise flight footage was shown I belief their claim that the first turbojet variant did 700km and now they have managed to reverse engineer a Kh-55 turbofan with half the operating lifetime (at a economic price).
We have also to notice that the Ya Ali CM with its Toloue turbojet also had a range claim of 700km.


These ranges they are giving don't really specify at what altitude & with what size warhead so the ranges could vary....
But based on what's been reported Iran absolutely needs and is short of a cruise missile capable of cruising at ~850kph for a good 2 hours while carrying at least a 750lb bunker buster
 
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These ranges they are giving don't really specify at what altitude & with what size warhead so the ranges could vary....
But based on what's been reported Iran absolutely needs and is short of a cruise missile capable of cruising at ~850kph for a good 2 hours while carrying at least a 750lb bunker buster

Current cruise missile delivery system is useless and inefficient. Iran would need to have 20 single launcher tels trucks to launch just a 20 cruise missile salvo. It needs to create a 4-6 TEL cruise launcher. Single missile launcher makes sense for anti ship cruise missile as the target is vulnerable to even a single hit. An airbase or military base or convoy is not.

Meanwhile all the major powers can fire 100 salvo off of one large cruiser.
 
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