Iranian mindset towards life and what they really need

[Hack-Hook]

What's this?

It's a joke, right?

We have children getting mass murdered at schools every few days in America, and this footage is supposed to furnish a realistic element of comparison?

There's nothing to say, other than case closed: no equivalent whatsoever exists in Iran to this over-the-top form of violence observed in the USA. No matter how much one will try to twist, spin and split hair, it won't change anything to the fact.

well it seems we expect such things happen that's probably why we show them what to expect

by the way didn't some people attacked a girl school in Sanandaj 2-3 years ago in midst of the unrest there or in 1395 two student attacked school employees with knife in roodsar , or in 2013 didn't people of Nirooyeh-Havaee district in Tehran attacked a school
or two years ago in south of Tehran a boy attacked a girl school because he heard the girl he loved want to marry another person and wanted to kidnap the girl or in 1396 a student attacked teachers in his highschool in Tehran with knife ? .......

and well attack on Tehran university in 1378 and 1388.

 

[SalarHaqq]

well it seems we expect such things happen that's probably why we show them what to expect

Could have literally hundreds of other, more probable reasons (including raising preparedness against terrorist attacks, hostage takings, and so on).

or in 2013 didn't people of Nirooyeh-Havaee district in Tehran attacked a school

People vandalizing a school building, essentially shattering a few windows and pouring some paint on the walls because of a disagreement with the municipality about the location of the school, but with no intention to harm anyone let alone children... What superb example! How comparable to a US school shooting... not!

or two years ago in south of Tehran a boy attacked a girl school because he heard the girl he loved want to marry another person and wanted to kidnap the girl

Nope, he didn't attack the school. He illegally entered the premises and tried to pull the girl he was in love with out of the building, that's all. There was no intention of bodily harm let alone murder against anyone. Very romantic, worthy of a soap opera but not of a crime film. Specious analogy for worlds apart from any US school shooting, once again.

by the way didn't some people attacked a girl school in Sanandaj 2-3 years ago in midst of the unrest there

In the midst of unrest? And this is comparable with school shootings under perfectly ordinary circumstances?

and well attack on Tehran university in 1378 and 1388.

1) We're talking about schools, frequented by minors. Not universities where everyone happens to be of adult age. But I understand that when one finds so little, one might be tempted to toss in a couple of off topic cases to give it at least a semblance of credibility.

2) Political event, entirely different category of use of force. Unrelated to school shootings, really.

or in 1395 two student attacked school employees with knife in roodsar ,

or in 1396 a student attacked teachers in his highschool in Tehran with knife ? .......

So you searched the web thoroughly, and it turns out only two such acts appear to have been committed in Iran over the past few decades. Of course nobody died because well, the Iranian government is not as irresponsible as the American one and won't let children access firearms - although even then it stands to debate whether the perpetrators would have made use of them, i.e. whether their goal was really to kill. So if this indeed is your flawless "demonstration" that the security situation at Iranian schools is supposedly unenviable, then "congrats"!

In conclusion, two isolated instances of proper school violence in Iran involving the use of weapons - and against adults not minors, over a period of some twenty years or so. Versus countless mass shootings in the USA that took the lives of and maimed literally hundreds of children during the same period.

Now if western-leaning Iranian liberals wish to interpret this as meaning that the security of Iranian schools is even remotely as awful as that of American ones, I'll gladly invite them to pack their bags, settle in their beloved America and allow their offspring to visit schools there because these afterall are "not that much more unsafe", are they!

Thank you, case closed.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Nope, he did not "attack" the school. He illegally entered the premises and tried to pull the girl he was in love with out of the building, that's all. There was no intention of bodily harm let alone murder against anyone. Very romantic, worthy of a soap opera but not of a crime film. Specious analogy for worlds apart from any US school shooting, once again.

he attacked the employees and several other student who came to defend their friend

In the midst of unrest? And this is supposed to be comparable with school shootings under perfectly ordinary circumstances?

not in the midst exactly , a day after everyplace was peaceful

1) We're talking about schools, frequented by childrern. Not about universities. But I understand that when one finds so little, one might be tempted to toss in off topic cases to give it at least a semblance of credibility.

2) Political event, entirely different category of use of force. Nothing to do with school shootings.

the point is it was not security forces who entered university , the so called Niroohayeh-khodsar made the attack and police stayed there and eat popcorn and watched unless a certain person who at the time was not part of the police force of Tehran threatened them

So you searched the web thoroughly, and it turns out only two such acts appear to have been committed in Iran over the past few decades. Of course nobody died because well, the Iranian government is not as irresponsible as the American one to let children access firearms - although even then it stands to debate as to whether the perpetrators would have made use of them, i.e. whether their goal was really to kill.

well another one about 2-3 years ago in Ahvaz family of a student attacked school employee in Ahvaz and nearly choked her to death because the school gave the girl some detention.

by the way we were not talking about security here is better or worse , we were talking about its not exclusive to usa

 

[SalarHaqq]

he attacked the employees and several other student who came to defend their friend

Using what, a weapon? If not then it isn't even worthy of a mention.

not in the midst exactly , a day after everyplace was peaceful

This doesn't provide lots of complementary information, but whether it's two or rather three cases, the conclusion evidently stays the same.

well another one about 2-3 years ago in Ahvaz family of a student attacked school employee in Ahvaz and nearly choked her to death because the school gave the girl some detention.

Ditto.

the point is it was not security forces who entered university , the so called Niroohayeh-khodsar made the attack and police stayed there and eat popcorn and watched unless a certain person who at the time was not part of the police force of Tehran threatened them

The point remains though that this was a political type of confrontation and also that it took place at a university not a school and therefore it's off topic by nature.

by the way we were not talking about security here is better or worse , we were talking about its not exclusive to usa

Amok runs and blind mass murder at schools is very much exclusive to the USA, for all practical purposes. And it has never taken place in Iran.

Also when we have three to four cases of armed assault inside school premises with zero deaths in a country of 80 million on the one hand, and many dozens if not hundreds of instances leading to several hundreds of deaths in a country of 320 million on the other hand, then we're looking at two entirely different sets of realities, incomparable in their very essence.

These two situations have simply nothing in common. Their difference is qualitative, not just quantitative.

 

[drmeson]

I wouldn't underestimate the danger potentially emanating from football hooligans. In former Yugoslavia and Bosnia-Herzegovina in particular, they were largely responsible for the first sparks of violence which ignited the so-called "ethnic" war. Owing to the fact that they're a violent, identitarian, emotive and not especially intellectual crowd, they are definitely considered as an asset by hostile intelligence services as they can be manipulated rather easily for sinister political goals. Also notice that there's a particular academic of western origin attached to the Singapore University (if I remember correctly), who specializes in the study of anti-Iranian "ethno"-separatism and football hooliganism at the same time, who has published several papers on the topic.

When the national flag is disparaged and foreign ones are waved, to me that's no longer an expression of brotherly rivalry with other compatriots but an assault on the whole nation itself. But anyway, authorities in Iran have begun reacting. As an example, Nader Ghazipour, longtime member of Majles for the Orumiyeh district has seen his candidacy blocked twice in a row by the Guardian Council (in 1396 and 1400). His political career is probably over. Let's not forget that this is a person who wants all school classes (including mathematics, physics, history etc) to be taught in local languages - a complete anomaly and the perfect slippery slope towards national disintegration at the societal level.

Moreover he is a person who would physically assault journalists over nonsensical arguments as to what linguistic group contributed more to the defence of Iran during the Imposed War. A person who in a talk show on national television would refuse to read from the Divan of Hafez, a major feature of common national heritage, under the pretext that it's Farsi rather than Azari poetry. Good riddance, but there are others like him who are advancing the enemy's agenda and need to be neutralized as well, no matter what group they claim to represent.

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A stupid nobody like Ghazipour is not the identity of Irani Turks, these men (and millions more) are ...

Ghazipour is a product of that Elchibey propaganda era. This is a rare and dying breed.

 

[SQ8]

They just need Sabzeh

 

[drmeson]

As you mentioned parsi here, how authentic is the claim that Parsi Zoroastrians came to India as refugee to escape persecution from the early Islamic Caliphate? I have many Indian Hindu friends who told me that Parsis were oppressed by muslims so they came to India as refugees where our local hindus warmly welcomed them.

yes, they were some famous 1000 men from the South.

here is the most famous one

Shah had a racist plan in 1970s to resettle the nonmixed ones back in Iranian cities I guess. With Shah himself, the plan died as well.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

As you mentioned parsi here, how authentic is the claim that Parsi Zoroastrians came to India as refugee to escape persecution from the early Islamic Caliphate? I have many Indian Hindu friends who told me that Parsis were oppressed by muslims so they came to India as refugees where our local hindus warmly welcomed them.

That claim is PARTLY true and then again not in the way they tell you. They're far more recent arrivals from the Safavid to Qajar eras, some genuine refugees who fled from Islamic rule but quite a lot of others for trade opportunities.

Both hindus and parsees are A-grade liars with an axe to grind so they conveniently ignore the truth and distort the facts.

Shah had a racist plan in 1970s to resettle the nonmixed ones back in Iranian cities I guess. With Shah himself, the plan died as well.

Based because racist and cringe because karkasparast gabars.

well it seems we expect such things happen that's probably why we show them what to expect

by the way didn't some people attacked a girl school in Sanandaj 2-3 years ago in midst of the unrest there or in 1395 two student attacked school employees with knife in roodsar , or in 2013 didn't people of Nirooyeh-Havaee district in Tehran attacked a school
or two years ago in south of Tehran a boy attacked a girl school because he heard the girl he loved want to marry another person and wanted to kidnap the girl or in 1396 a student attacked teachers in his highschool in Tehran with knife ? .......

and well attack on Tehran university in 1378 and 1388.

"B-b-but muh 1378, muh 1388, muh 1395, MUH HUMDEEN!"

Yes, let's go all the way back to Kouroush-e-Bozorg then.

That recent shooting in Texarse, Amerikwa - does your goldfish memory still recall that? It was the 27TH school shooting in Jew-***-AIDS (censored word is 'A', 'S', 'S') in 2022 and we weren't even halfway through the year.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

This is completely unrelated but I heard china was to start manufacturing semiconductors with the 14 nm process independently of Western expertise and equipment this year.

Has SMIC launched it's production line yet or will it happen later this year?

@MH.Yang Could you please confirm?

 

[MH.Yang]

@MH.Yang Could you please confirm?

Yes, march 5,2022. The first batch of mass-produced 14 nm chips has entered the market.

However, it is still impossible to make 7 nm and 5 nm chips.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Yes, march 5,2022. The first batch of mass-produced 14 nm chips has entered the market.



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However, it is still impossible to make 7 nm and 5 nm chips.

That's great. Are those 14 nm chips available for international customers?

I know SMIC has obtained the expertise to manufacture 10 nm chips but hasn't constructed the factories yet?

Any idea when those will be built and how soon they'll make their products available for sale?

 

[MH.Yang]

That's great. Are those 14 nm chips available for international customers?

I know SMIC has obtained the expertise to manufacture 10 nm chips but hasn't constructed the factories yet?

Any idea when those will be built and how soon they'll make their products available for sale?

Moore group purchased the first batch of mass-produced 12NM chips. They used the chips to make the first batch of completely domestic graphics cards in China, MTT S60 and Fenghua No. 1. However, after user testing, these two graphics cards are only equivalent to GTX 1660 super and GTX 1080 ti. We are still far from the international advanced level.

All these graphics cards have been sold out. I don't think international customers can find sellers.

SMIC will mass produce 14nm chips in 2019, and will only sell 14nm chips to the market in 2022. At present, SMIC does have the capacity to produce 10 nanometer chips, but it is still unable to mass produce, let alone enter the sales market.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Moore group purchased the first batch of mass-produced 12NM chips. They used the chips to make the first batch of completely domestic graphics cards in China, MTT S60 and Fenghua No. 1. However, after user testing, these two graphics cards are only equivalent to GTX 1660 super and GTX 1080 ti. We are still far from the international advanced level.

All these graphics cards have been sold out. I don't think international customers can find sellers.

SMIC will mass produce 14nm chips in 2019, and will only sell 14nm chips to the market in 2022. At present, SMIC does have the capacity to produce 10 nanometer chips, but it is still unable to mass produce, let alone enter the sales market.

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Thanks, I'll share the info with an Iranian friend who runs a tech company. Maybe he might be interested in placing an order through a back-channel.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Moore group purchased the first batch of mass-produced 12NM chips. They used the chips to make the first batch of completely domestic graphics cards in China, MTT S60 and Fenghua No. 1. However, after user testing, these two graphics cards are only equivalent to GTX 1660 super and GTX 1080 ti. We are still far from the international advanced level.

All these graphics cards have been sold out. I don't think international customers can find sellers.

SMIC will mass produce 14nm chips in 2019, and will only sell 14nm chips to the market in 2022. At present, SMIC does have the capacity to produce 10 nanometer chips, but it is still unable to mass produce, let alone enter the sales market.

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well looking at process , they are equivalent to the NVidia card of same process

Thanks, I'll share the info with an Iranian friend who runs a tech company. Maybe he might be interested in placing an order through a back-channel.

my guess is those cards are equivalent of 1660 and 1080 only in compute power , but for example in gaming they fall behind as NVidia and AMD working with game producer to optimize games for their cards and many of game making tools are optimized for their cards.
also for commercial programs everything is about software , so unless the company producing cards invest in software and tools for programing for them , they probably also fall behind in competing with those NVidia cards