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[VEVAK]

Because then the Sepah would be even more overspending.

Overspending!!! I wish they were over spending! Iran spends less than half of what UAE spend on acquisition & 1/10 of what the Saudi's spend!

Most of Iran's funding is going towards paychecks, upkeep,.... and a fraction only goes towards new weapons acquisition!

The top most advanced countries of the world also have the top 10 larges military industries! Why? because there is a direct coloration between the two!!! That's why the US & all it's allies fear Iran spending more because spending more = theoretical advancements into products = better quality civilian products = a more high tech workforce = more kids looking for high tech high paying jobs inside the country rather than outside = increasing metallurgy that = better military and civilian products = increasing composites that result in better products = increasing more advanced tools that result in better military and civilian products!

Lack of funding in the military industry is what's preventing Iran from turning theoretical papers into products! our enemies know this it's just too sad that our own population does not!

 

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[Stryker1982]

Overspending!!! I wish they were over spending! Iran spends less than half of what UAE spend on acquisition & 1/10 of what the Saudi's spend!

Most of Iran's funding is going towards paychecks, upkeep,.... and a fraction only goes towards new weapons acquisition!

The top most advanced countries of the world also have the top 10 larges military industries! Why? because there is a direct coloration between the two!!! That's why the US & all it's allies fear Iran spending more because spending more = theoretical advancements into products = better quality civilian products = a more high tech workforce = more kids looking for high tech high paying jobs inside the country rather than outside = increasing metallurgy that = better military and civilian products = increasing composites that result in better products = increasing more advanced tools that result in better military and civilian products!

Lack of funding in the military industry is what's preventing Iran from turning theoretical papers into products! our enemies know this it's just too sad that our own population does not!

Whats even worse is that is they are pretending to overspend when in reality we spend way less then what we should be in this region. In addition, the U.S and Its allies try to limit irans economic growth for this very reason. Strong growth replicates into strong defence industry growth and more funding. Thats why our GDP is smaller than other countries like SA. They know if we had the same, we'd be stronger than the region put together. Mostly because of our educated human capital, you can see bright Iranians all over the world pioneering. You can see this in the science Olympiads, head over heels above the rest.

 

[AmirPatriot]

If you do mass production of the engine, Airframe, shape charged explosive your self NO it wouldn't! Even if you had to import the transmitter, receiver & all the electronics even if you base it on the components of an imported smartphone on a high end model it still wouldn't cost a penny over $2000 per unit!!!!!!!!

Your talking about a missile that's under 6ft long & less than 6 inches in diameter and under 5kg warhead preferably 4kg shape charged with 1kg of gunpowder and fragments so even if you place the Airframe off Carbon fiber rather than fiber glass & aluminum it still would NOT cost over $2000 per unit

And for the ground control of a high end model your looking at max $150K com's & electronics (about the same price as a Cell tower in the US) + $100K on a lightly armored mid size truck (ceramic + fiberglass or Kevlar) + 4 launchers so even on a larger longer range (100km) Higher payload (50-100lb) $20,000 version you can get the ground equipment + 10 Missiles with about the same price as an Artillery with 10 Shells (As long as it's not ground skimming & it's guided much like a UAV with semi autonomous terminal guidance (like the newer versions of Sadid)

At the high end would be equipping 1 out of 4 with components of a high end smart phone equipped with an extended WIFI antenna for wifi communication with the other 3 with the other 3 being semi autonomous

30km is not a lot of rang you can use a wide range of equipment for 2 way communication a lot cheaper and lighter than the ones Iran's Mohajer-4 uses

preferably future upgrades will be more autonomous with the ability to detect armed vehicle, tanks, helos,..... and in the future men armed with a gun or RPG

Building a small Turbojet Engine is really not that hard at all especially ones with 10-15 min life span
Engines on RC Jet engines are built to be reused you can use cheaper alloys for a 10-15min lifespan
Building a pulse Jet engine that uses diesel fuel is even simpler and cheaper
Building small electric fuel pumps is cheep and easy

These are hobbyist's using off the shelf equipment and they don't have the funding of a military industry and a country behind them & they are not mass producing & are using reusable airframe, engines,.....

A pulse jet engine version if mass produced won't even cost Iran $1000 per unit you can easily build the engine for $100

Jet engine version would be fast enough to hunt down Helo's

And on one mid size truck Iran can carry the equipment to launch 4 at time on a cheep version & you can launch 4 per min or spend a little more money for a rocket launched or a compressed air launched version launched at a faster pace from tubes or other types of launchers

You can build lighter but slower version powered by electric engines lunched using compressed air from a tube for low noise that can be lunched from tubes like mortars and can carry as much explosive as an RPG-7

This is the future! Heavy guns are the past! unguided mortars are the past! And yes infantry electronic warfare capability is increasing but so is autonomy that will render them useless

This is war with Moors Law in effect electronics are becoming so cheep that the cost of metal alone on larger equipment are just not worth going with outdated equipment like artillery! add to that the light weight factor of composites, solid state memory storage devices, CAD assisted tools, industrial robots & 3D printing!

I'm not saying Iran doesn't need artillery but the time spent, R&D funding spent, tools and equipment used & alloy's used should have gone towards lighter and far more high tech equipment than investing in a new Artillery especially if that artillery is not fully automated!

This is the problem with your posts, VEVAK. Full of arbitrary numbers. They make no sense in a factual discussion.

 

[TheImmortal]

This is the problem with your posts, VEVAK. Full of arbitrary numbers. They make no sense in a factual discussion.

Literally VEVAK lives in a James Bond gadget world in his mind.

I have noticed his posts have a pattern of "if Iran were to spend x amount per x amount of years and build [insert VEVAK technology idea] then they have an advantage...."

I give him points for creativity on pulling numbers out of thin air.

 

[VEVAK]

Literally VEVAK lives in a James Bond gadget world in his mind.

I have noticed his posts have a pattern of "if Iran were to spend x amount per x amount of years and build [insert VEVAK technology idea] then they have an advantage...."

I give him points for creativity on pulling numbers out of thin air.

These are the worlds top 10 military budgets
01 United States 611.2 3.3
02 China[a] 215.7 1.9
03 Russia 69.2 5.3
04 Saudi Arabia[a]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures#cite_note-y-6 63.7 10
05 India 55.9 2.5
06 France 55.7 2.3
07 United Kingdom 48.3 1.9
08 Japan 46.1 1.0
09 Germany 41.1 1.2
10 South Korea 36.8 2.7
11 Italy 27.9 1.5

excluding Saudi Arabia that doesn't have a defense industry these are literarily the top most advanced countries in the world when it comes to producing civilian products & military products
Also you have to factor in troop size India has a large troop size japan and Germany have a small troop size but still among the top

 

[VEVAK]

This is the problem with your posts, VEVAK. Full of arbitrary numbers. They make no sense in a factual discussion.

Yea if you have never built a Jet RC you may think it's arbitrary! So I as how much flying have you done? how much do you know about modern drones? for a $2000 you can buy a fairly advanced quadcopter equipped with high tech camera and automation so when you say my numbers are arbitrary it's because you don't know anything!

Engine:
If you don't comprehend how simple it is to build a single compressor single turbine Turbojet engine you may think it's arbitrary!

Top that off Iran today builds ceramic ball brings that allow a higher RPM at higher weights!

If you don't comprehend how extremely simple Pules jet engines are and how extremely easy & cheap it is to build them you may think it's arbitrary!!!

http://www.chiefaircraft.com/jc-p200-rx.html
A German made P-200 with 50lbf cost $4000 to buy this is a reusable engine made in Germany! So building a similar engine under 100lbf would cost Iran under $500 to build
These engines aren't the type of items that get sold in large quantities so there is a high prophet margin! And they are built so they can be re used!

And 50lbf is a lot of power

Now a Pule jet would be a fraction of that price it is mot most simple engine to build and ones built to last no longer than 20 min on a single flight with a max force of under 100lbf is really not that hard! and it could perpell and airframe as heavy as the mohajer let alone something lighter with only an 8lb warhead

You can buy a low powered one from an RC shop for $100 you can buy home build ones with 20 lbf off Ebay for under $50 usd (I know this because I've purchased and built RC off them before & it was a pain at 1st but nothing special that Iran couldn't perfect and make launching easier

You can research and check out how they are built! so for a country like Iran to mass produce one with 50 lbf really wouldn't be that hard

Airframe
fiberglass price varies depending on how it's woven and resin you'll need resin capable of withstanding good amount of heat + light aluminum + foam
All of which amount to almost nothing when mass produced but even off the shelf you are free to look at online prices!

As for the electronics you can check the prices for all the electronics from an overpriced hobby shop! And hobby shops are extremely overpriced

So again you don't know what your talking about! And these are online prices in the US not how much it would cost Iran to produce a country that's been building UAV's for 30 years and produces most of the components it's self

It wouldn't cost a single penny over $2000 but even at $5,000 your still looking at 40 for $200K + Ground equipment that will cost far less than the ground equipment of the Mohajer UAV
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M777 Howitzer In 2008, the Australian Defence Force made a US Foreign Military Sales request for 57 M777A2s worth an estimated US$248m
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M777_howitzer#cite_note-32

These are facts NOT fiction or arbitrary!

 

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[AmirPatriot]

Yea if you have never built a Jet RC you may think it's arbitrary! So I as how much flying have you done? how much do you know about modern drones? for a $2000 you can buy a fairly advanced quadcopter equipped with high tech camera and automation so when you say my numbers are arbitrary it's because you don't know anything!

Engine:
If you don't comprehend how simple it is to build a single compressor single turbine Turbojet engine you may think it's arbitrary!

Top that off Iran today builds ceramic ball brings that allow a higher RPM at higher weights!

If you don't comprehend how extremely simple Pules jet engines are and how extremely easy & cheap it is to build them you may think it's arbitrary!!!

http://www.chiefaircraft.com/jc-p200-rx.html
A German made P-200 with 50lbf cost $4000 to buy this is a reusable engine made in Germany! So building a similar engine under 100lbf would cost Iran under $500 to build
These engines aren't the type of items that get sold in large quantities so there is a high prophet margin! And they are built so they can be re used!

And 50lbf is a lot of power

Now a Pule jet would be a fraction of that price it is mot most simple engine to build and ones built to last no longer than 20 min on a single flight with a max force of under 100lbf is really not that hard! and it could perpell and airframe as heavy as the mohajer let alone something lighter with only an 8lb warhead

You can buy a low powered one from an RC shop for $100 you can buy home build ones with 20 lbf off Ebay for under $50 usd (I know this because I've purchased and built RC off them before & it was a pain at 1st but nothing special that Iran couldn't perfect and make launching easier

You can research and check out how they are built! so for a country like Iran to mass produce one with 50 lbf really wouldn't be that hard

Airframe
fiberglass price varies depending on how it's woven and resin you'll need resin capable of withstanding good amount of heat + light aluminum + foam
All of which amount to almost nothing when mass produced but even off the shelf you are free to look at online prices!

As for the electronics you can check the prices for all the electronics from an overpriced hobby shop! And hobby shops are extremely overpriced

So again you don't know what your talking about! And these are online prices in the US not how much it would cost Iran to produce a country that's been building UAV's for 30 years and produces most of the components it's self

It wouldn't cost a single penny over $2000 but even at $5,000 your still looking at 40 for $200K + Ground equipment that will cost far less than the ground equipment of the Mohajer UAV
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M777 Howitzer In 2008, the Australian Defence Force made a US Foreign Military Sales request for 57 M777A2s worth an estimated US$248m
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M777_howitzer#cite_note-32

These are facts NOT fiction or arbitrary!

Only the cost of the German engine, and the M777 purchase by Australia are factual figures supported by links.

And bear in mind the M777 purchase by Australia isn't just for the guns;

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/australia-m777a2-155mm-light-weight-howitzers

"The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $248 million.

The Government of Australia has requested a possible sale of 57 M777A2 155MM Light-Weight Howitzers, 57 AN/VRC-91F Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINCGARS), integration, spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, maintenance, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $248 million."

As you can see, there is a whole host of extra costs.

It is useful to note that the M777's 1970's era predecessor, the M198, is widely reported to have a unit cost of $527,000.

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m198.htm

And I'll keep saying this.

There is no way your mini cruise missiles can match the capability of guns.

Those 57 guns Australia bought can lob over 6800 shells an hour at a sustained fire rate of 2 rpm.

Those shells are travelling at a far higher velocity than a low subsonic suicide UAV, and therefore have far greater destructive power.

Those shells do not need to be calibrated and guided to a target, unlike the presumably 10,000 "missiles" you need to fire in just an hour to match the firepower (and that's being optimistic).

Those shells can be reloaded and launched easily, whereas even unguided MLRS have a longer reload time than shells, let alone this "missile".

Those shells are far easier on logistics, being more suitable in shape to mass transport, not needing fuel and other logistical requirements.

Let's up the numbers a little more so you can come to terms with the reality of the issue.

Those 57 guns can fire over 82,000 shells in a day. No, not 24 hours. Just 12 hours. Those other 12 hours can be rest time for the crew, maintainance breaks etc. Quite a cushy approach to war.

Push that to just a week of armed conflict and that's well over half a million shells. With 57 guns.

Did you know, in the opening 8 hours of the WW1 Battle of Verdun, the Germans fired 2 million artillery shells?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zydwtyc

I've seen various numbers giving a figure of about 45 million shells fired both sides in just that 1 battle. Though those figures are from the history channel website http://amp.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-battle-of-verdun and reddit (read comments)

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252FAskHistorians%252Fcomments%252F3fynpa%252F

so they may not be the most reliable.

 

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[VEVAK]

Only the cost of the German engine, and the M777 purchase by Australia are factual figures supported by links.

And bear in mind the M777 purchase by Australia isn't just for the guns;

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/australia-m777a2-155mm-light-weight-howitzers

"The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $248 million.

The Government of Australia has requested a possible sale of 57 M777A2 155MM Light-Weight Howitzers, 57 AN/VRC-91F Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINCGARS), integration, spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, maintenance, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $248 million."

As you can see, there is a whole host of extra costs.

It is useful to note that the M777's 1970's era predecessor, the M198, is widely reported to have a unit cost of $527,000.





https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m198.htm

And I'll keep saying this.

There is no way your mini cruise missiles can match the capability of guns.

Those 57 guns Australia bought can lob over 6800 shells an hour at a sustained fire rate of 2 rpm.

Those shells are travelling at a far higher velocity than a low subsonic suicide UAV, and therefore have far greater destructive power.

Those shells do not need to be calibrated and guided to a target, unlike the presumably 10,000 "missiles" you need to fire in just an hour to match the firepower (and that's being optimistic).

Those shells can be reloaded and launched easily, whereas even unguided MLRS have a longer reload time than shells, let alone this "missile".

Those shells are far easier on logistics, being more suitable in shape to mass transport, not needing fuel and other logistical requirements.

Let's up the numbers a little more so you can come to terms with the reality of the issue.

Those 57 guns can fire over 82,000 shells in a day. No, not 24 hours. Just 12 hours. Those other 12 hours can be rest time for the crew, maintainance breaks etc. Quite a cushy approac to war.

Push that to just a week of armed conflict and that's well over half a million shells. With 57 guns.

Did you know, in the opening 8 hours of the WW1 Battle of Verdun, the Germans fired 2 million artillery shells?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zydwtyc

I've seen various numbers giving a figure of about 45 million shells fired both sides in just that 1 battle. Though those figures are from the history channel website http://amp.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-battle-of-verdun and reddit (read comments)

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252FAskHistorians%252Fcomments%252F3fynpa%252F

so they may not be the most reliable.

At the end of the day both figures are correct when it comes to guns! The heavier steel based would cost Iran $500K to build per gun at least! It requires massive presses and a huge amount of energy and materials for steel based
And far more for Titanium weight reduction! So $1,00,000 per unit for Iran is about accurate and that's when Iran's Ti factories are up and running at full potential! In 2008 Iran was conducting laboratory scale ti production and if all goes well by 2020-2022 Ti will not be a problem for Iran at all!

As for the Ti based M777A2 I didn't say each Gun was going to cost Iran $4 Million USD to build per unit or even $2Million USD to build!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just pointed out the cost of one sale!


Again your talking nonsense! How many shells & troops do you think that truck plus another truck behind it can transport? and admittedly you said each shell will coast Iran at least $500 USD to build and fire I'll include the propellant charge in it too & your talking about at least 4ft long shell and propellant on a 155

82,000 shells! really your going to fire over $40 Million USD worth of shells!!!!

Plus your talking about front line guns 15-30km away from the action for a country that is not going to have Air Superiority against any major power!

You want links lets do my numbers for a small sized cruise missile using imported & domestic off the shelf parts and prices!

1. As I showed you a German Micro Jet P200 has 52lbf
jet engine is $4000 USD comes with power supply & Mini ground support unit check it online
The jet at full throttle uses 25 oz per min (NOT cruise speed! FULL POWER)
Total weight with power supply is 6Lb
1ft long

2. 250 oz of fuel = just under 2 Gallons of fuel = 16 lb cost $20 (Fuel & Oil) so at full throttle that's 10 minutes of flight time!
So a little over 3 ft long, 16lb & $20

3. Warhead = 10 lb a shaped charged explosive + frag & gun powder (AT MAX so you don't freak out $180 USD for Iran FYI an RPG costs Iran under $50 to build (NOT THE Launcher just the grenade)

So your warhead would be 8-10 inches long, 10lb max & $180

4. Air frame, Wings + flight control equipment & moving surfaces at high end made up of Carbon fiber + some aluminum + heat & tare resistant fabric all of which are produced in Iran today! in a ~ 6.5 inch wide diameter X 6.5ft long airframe In a multi section airframe will come in at well under 10lb and will cost well under $100 USD and you are free to check online prices of all those products but just so you don't freak out lets say $300 USD so you don't freak out!

that a 9 Gallon super strong CNG tank at 16lb

5.You can buy a 5lb Dell laptop for $400 USD and most of the weight is screen, casing & keyboard & that's 8GB of ram with 1TB hard drive ( in reality a $200USD HP laptop would be more than sufficient with all the memory & computing power that you'll need if programmed to do a few specific tasks and you don't need a screen, casing, keyboard,.... so when I say $200 is all the computing power you need it is not as you say arbitrary!)

https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-inspiron-3552-15-6-pentium-n3710-8-gb-ram-1-tb-hdd/specs/
https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-15-ba009dx-15-6-a6-7310-4-gb-ram-500-gb-hdd-us/

6. As for your optics here 4 1080P weatherproof IR cameras for only $280 USD that's $70 per camera & Iran actually builds these so it will be a lot cheaper than that! + the camera that came with the laptop + another 2 inch 140 degree wide angle camera on top of that for only $20 at Walmart for a grand total of $100 you get 3 cameras

https://www.lorextechnology.com/hd-...gd1pNnIZ036zZQSKPiHFPGrJGrJKm85RoCA2MQAvD_BwE

https://www.walmart.com/ip/2-0-inch...online&wl12=551133058&wl13=&veh=sem#read-more


7.Transmitter, receiver, extended antennas built into the rear stabilizers using radio wide band frequency all together is not going to cost even $100 but lest say you want something more high tech like using a cell phone & since you already have a computer for your computing power you don't need a high end smart phone a $200 Iranian built smartphone is good enough
http://en.mehrnews.com/news/104845/Iran-s-slimmest-and-lightest-Smartphone-on-the-market

As for the software, electrical engineering & adding semi automation we clearly aren't going to have a problem there

So your camera's, computer, batteries, flight control equipment controlling the batteries, transmitter, receiver is not going to be even 1 Ft long and at max 10lb at MAX

So that's what $5000-$5500(high end) USD with an imported $4000 USD engine!

So if Iran builds the engine it's self under $2000 is far from arbitrary!


So you have 52lbf of thrust on a missile that's 52lb & you can easily add another 20lb or more to it if you like!

Running at MAX thrust 25 0z per min in a 1-1 or at least close to 1-1 thrust to weight ratio! You have 250 oz of fuel so that's a 10 min flight at full thrust

I'll be ultra conservative and give it 350kph at full thrust with a heavier warhead & I'll let you do the math


BBC nonsense really 45 Million shells! Lets say you fire 1 million $500 shells that's what? $500 Million USD!
Just for the cost of shells you can fire 100,000 $5000 cruise missiles (with an imported engines) And at least twice that with home built engines!

If each of your $2500 USD home built cruise missiles takes out just 1 enemy solder that's 200,000 enemy solders taken out using one weapon system alone & you don't need to destroy civilian property in the process!

This is moor's law taking into effect in modern warfare and if you don't take note of it you loose because your enemy is & is developing swarm UAV's and cheaper cruise missiles!

 

[AmirPatriot]

So if Iran builds the engine it's self under $2000 is far from arbitrary!

It is arbitrary because you cannot find actual proof.

BBC nonsense really 45 Million shells!

It is poor practice to dismiss articles from reputable sources for no reason other than it not fitting your argument.

Lets say you fire 1 million $500 shells that's what? $500 Million USD!
Just for the cost of shells you can fire 100,000 $5000 cruise missiles (with an imported engines) And at least twice that with home built engines!

Let us run with your extremely optimistic figures.

Let's say those 1 million shells are fired by 200 guns. That's 200 million worth of guns and 500 million worth of shells. $700 million.

To fire an equivalent number of your fictional missiles, with your own wildly optimistic cost, we'd be looking at a range of $2.5 billion. And no, you can't reduce the number of "missiles" fired just to fit your argument. Even if you somehow managed to fire 1,000,000 missiles they would still have less destructive power owing to the massive velocity of artillery shells. Let alone 300,000 or something similar.

This is basic mathematics, VEVAK. 1 million systems will cost more than 200 systems firing 1 million projectiles.

 

[VEVAK]

It is arbitrary because you cannot find actual proof.



It is poor practice to dismiss articles from reputable sources for no reason other than it not fitting your argument.



Let us run with your extremely optimistic figures.

Let's say those 1 million shells are fired by 200 guns. That's 200 million worth of guns and 500 million worth of shells. $700 million.

To fire an equivalent number of your fictional missiles, with your own wildly optimistic cost, we'd be looking at a range of $2.5 billion. And no, you can't reduce the number of "missiles" fired just to fit your argument. Even if you somehow managed to fire 1,000,000 missiles they would still have less destructive power owing to the massive velocity of artillery shells. Let alone 300,000 or something similar.

This is basic mathematics, VEVAK. 1 million systems will cost more than 200 systems firing 1 million projectiles.

I found you the proof and I got you the links using a mixture of off the shelf domestic and imported prices! What's funny is that you think off the self prices is widely optimistic!

And you are free to go check out carbon fiber, fiberglass & resin prices using the dimensions I gave you X 2 to include the wing!

composites
Low end would be using fiber glass, plastic & aluminum

http://www.fiberglasssite.com/

or
https://www.tarpsnow.com/index.php/...kp0vUUTo-q18LXkL8x_mPyS5sIqZ-BwkaAr6tEALw_wcB
or
https://www.tarpsnow.com/heat-treated-fiberglass-welding-blankets-18oz.html

These are online prices! Producing fiberglass is quite simple! giving them ability to withstand heat for a country that is producing the fibers is quite simple! For a country like Iran that produces it's own fiberglass the price comes to a fraction of these online prices

And aluminum costs under $1 per lb


So in fact the prices I gave were well over what it would actually cost!
For your computing you don't need a screen, casing & keyboard's of a laptop, on the cellphone you don't need a screen, the explosives C4 is ~$10 per lb so $180 is an overestimate, camera's are off the shelf prices! And the airframe if mass produced using Iranian composites, alloy,... the material cost will be well under $100 USD! So when I say $300 that includes the cost of assembly....

To do all the programing & electrical engineering combined using a tech company in Iran rather than the militaries own programmer's & electrical engineers won't be more than a 1 time $40,000 USD payment & far less if the MOD does it it's self which means if you only decide to build 10,000 of these missiles (1000 per year that's ~3 per day) that's $4USD per missile at MAX!

$100 per missile for more than enough equipment & tools to build the engine and build and assembling the engine & Airframe of 30-40 Missiles a day in a span of a decade and the higher you go you reduce man power cost with more tools that pay for themselves in the long run!
So if you say 9 Million USD worth of equipment for 30 missiles that's 300,000 USD worth of tools & equipment for each missile (You should do a little research how much industrial tools, robots, 3D printers cost these days)

You wont' need more than 60 people with the right tools & management for the production of the engine, airframe and assembling all it's components (customized parts & components imported or purchased from other companies) & at the highest estimates that's $51 per missile for paychecks at a facility producing 10,000 missiles a year. That's 60 people getting an "average" of $700 per month!

So $2000 is an overestimate if you produce the engines yourself! If a privet company was going to do it and sell it to the military for $2500 per missile in a 10 year contract with an initial investment of ~ $10 Million USD they could make at a minimum $5 Mill per year that will payoff for the initial investment after ~2 years & the next 7-8 years will be all prophet & you'll have all the tools, facilities & equipment you need for your next product! (This is strictly for the Missile nothing else)

You talk about artillery fired in WW2 well almost 50 Million civilians died in WW2!

So no! In modern war with moors law in effect you shouldn't be firing as many projectiles!

And what part of Iran is NOT going to have Air Superiority do you not understand? With such a system you can chase down Helicopters, UAV's & maybe even low altitude attack Aircraft (or at least chase them away) up to ~10,000-15,000 ft & when I said 350kph I only said that so you don't freak out! Such a system will not be flying at speeds under 500kph
I Gave you those figures so you don't freak out and your still freaking out!

Iran is capable of building assault rifles at under 7lb

So an engine with only 52lbf is enough to give you a wide range of capabilities so NO you don't need to fire 1 million unguided projectiles that at best can hit their target with 1 out of 5 shells fired and that's extremely optimistic

And I'm not saying Iran doesn't need artillery at all! All I'm saying is what we have is enough and further investment should be going toward the production of more advanced weapons system rather than 155mm artillery production!

 

[Stryker1982]

I found you the proof and I got you the links using a mixture of off the shelf domestic and imported prices! What's funny is that you think off the self prices is widely optimistic!

And you are free to go check out carbon fiber, fiberglass & resin prices using the dimensions I gave you X 2 to include the wing!

composites
Low end would be using fiber glass, plastic & aluminum

http://www.fiberglasssite.com/

or
https://www.tarpsnow.com/index.php/...kp0vUUTo-q18LXkL8x_mPyS5sIqZ-BwkaAr6tEALw_wcB
or
https://www.tarpsnow.com/heat-treated-fiberglass-welding-blankets-18oz.html

These are online prices! Producing fiberglass is quite simple! giving them ability to withstand heat for a country that is producing the fibers is quite simple! For a country like Iran that produces it's own fiberglass the price comes to a fraction of these online prices

And aluminum costs under $1 per lb


So in fact the prices I gave were well over what it would actually cost!
For your computing you don't need a screen, casing & keyboard's of a laptop, on the cellphone you don't need a screen, the explosives C4 is ~$10 per lb so $180 is an overestimate, camera's are off the shelf prices! And the airframe if mass produced using Iranian composites, alloy,... the material cost will be well under $100 USD! So when I say $300 that includes the cost of assembly....

To do all the programing & electrical engineering combined using a tech company in Iran rather than the militaries own programmer's & electrical engineers won't be more than a 1 time $40,000 USD payment & far less if the MOD does it it's self which means if you only decide to build 10,000 of these missiles (1000 per year that's ~3 per day) that's $4USD per missile at MAX!

$100 per missile for more than enough equipment & tools to build the engine and build and assembling the engine & Airframe of 30-40 Missiles a day in a span of a decade and the higher you go you reduce man power cost with more tools that pay for themselves in the long run!
So if you say 9 Million USD worth of equipment for 30 missiles that's 300,000 USD worth of tools & equipment for each missile (You should do a little research how much industrial tools, robots, 3D printers cost these days)

You wont' need more than 60 people with the right tools & management for the production of the engine, airframe and assembling all it's components (customized parts & components imported or purchased from other companies) & at the highest estimates that's $51 per missile for paychecks at a facility producing 10,000 missiles a year. That's 60 people getting an "average" of $700 per month!

So $2000 is an overestimate if you produce the engines yourself! If a privet company was going to do it and sell it to the military for $2500 per missile in a 10 year contract with an initial investment of ~ $10 Million USD they could make at a minimum $5 Mill per year that will payoff for the initial investment after ~2 years & the next 7-8 years will be all prophet & you'll have all the tools, facilities & equipment you need for your next product! (This is strictly for the Missile nothing else)

You talk about artillery fired in WW2 well almost 50 Million civilians died in WW2!

So no! In modern war with moors law in effect you shouldn't be firing as many projectiles!

And what part of Iran is NOT going to have Air Superiority do you not understand? With such a system you can chase down Helicopters, UAV's & maybe even low altitude attack Aircraft (or at least chase them away) up to ~10,000-15,000 ft & when I said 350kph I only said that so you don't freak out! Such a system will not be flying at speeds under 500kph
I Gave you those figures so you don't freak out and your still freaking out!

Iran is capable of building assault rifles at under 7lb

So an engine with only 52lbf is enough to give you a wide range of capabilities so NO you don't need to fire 1 million unguided projectiles that at best can hit their target with 1 out of 5 shells fired and that's extremely optimistic

And I'm not saying Iran doesn't need artillery at all! All I'm saying is what we have is enough and further investment should be going toward the production of more advanced weapons system rather than 155mm artillery production!

I don't think you can replace artillery with something like the switchblade. You gotta consider Artillery to me used on larger scale conflicts while a switch blade would be more tactical level, while artillery would be used on a strategic level for large brigade level offensives.