you mentioned some scientists from Islam's golden era and you claim they were seeking western ideas?! at the time these scientists were practicing in their labs, Europeans were living in their sh!ts. if west is the source of their advancements then why it's so hard to find these top figures from before Islamic era?
no, it has nothing to do with west, it was Islam which encouraged people to seek science even from other side of the world, it was Islam which said god will open a door to heaven for the the man who exits his home seeking for science, it was Islam which said one hour of thought is better than 70 years of praying! it was our prophet who said he is not my disciple unless a scientist or a student. instead of relating these scientists to the west which didn't existed at that time, you go figure out whose their teachers have been. go figure out why our fifth Imam is called ripper of science ( باقر العلوم).
at the time which Muslims were using music in mental hospitals, Europeans didn't even knew what a hospital is. they were referring to witches for cures! when Muslims offered them the mechanical clock the barbarian Ethiopians said this creature is possessed by devil! lol, and you claim that west is the motive of our scientists.
you have a very childish view on matters: accept the whole west or reject it all.
no, this is your path not us, we take every good thing from anyone in the world even our enemies and leave their ills to themselves.
about why I use internet and talk ill of west (while as I said it's the result of your ideology not mine), whenever west stopped using the most crucial chemical materials which were developed by our scientists (like Acids), I will stop using internet too. when they stopped using alcohol in their drugs, I will stop using their drugs too.
humans share and use each other's science and products, it has nothing to do with believes.
actually the one who has no idea about our traditional Islamic medicine is you. yes, medicine is no magic, yet what we see in our own medicine and it's results and efficiency is nothing less than magic. for example:
west science has given us the Aluminum pots, without anybody of their scientists objecting. but, one of side effects of cooking your food in Aluminum pots is iron-deficiency anemia, which itself is the source of a dozen of visible and invisible short and long term disease, then the very same west science offers a temporary solution of using Iron Supplement pills to cure the illness which they have created in the first place. and then this so called life saving drug comes with a dozen of side effects too including teeth staining!!! so the west science first poisoned you then offered a temporary medicine which include a dozen of other ills!!!
yet in Iran for centuries, people were cooking their foods in copper pots and used Iron ladles to mix the food in it. the result of using an Iron ladles is releasing Iron-ions in your food which is exactly what your body needs (in opposite to west solution of Iron molecules), with this simple instruction we were supplying our body needs without any side effect. during the pahlavi thugs era, Zionists created a propaganda against copper pots and their puppets in Iran even banned the production of Iron ladles, yet our scientists (mullahs actually) who could see the nasty plot for poisoning our foods, offered another solution to put iron made horseshoe in the cooking pots, in that time it was pretty common and pahlavi thugs couldn't stop it's usage.
this is one simple example of difference between our traditional Islamic medicine and the west one. example like above are endless.
I recommend you to watch dr. Ravazadeh speeches about our traditional medicine and it's advantages, each of his sessions is about 3 hours. at least know it, then criticize it.
You are hilarious. I laughed a good deal, reading your comment. Only your type can say so many lies with a straight face.
At least tell these lies to those who are ignorant and illiterate to gain sympathy for yourself. In the age of internet and communication, these lies of yours will not have any traction with learned people.
I do not think you have even read and studied the people I mentioned, or otherwise you would not have written what you wrote. You see, Sina all his life was a student of Greek philosophy. All his life he read Western books and tried his best to bring Islam closer to those Western ideas. This is the truth. You can go and ask any scholar of Sina about this. In fact Sina himself is saying as much in his own writings and treaties which he wrote after reading Farabi's translations of Western works chiefly Aristotle's. He went to the extent of doubting resurrection (qiamat) the way its described by Quran and Peighambar. This is your Islamic Golden age. It was a time when copying Western ideas was the fashion of the day.
And Islamic scholars of this golden age used to call Farabi (the translator and copier of Western works) by the name of معلم ثانی. Guess who these "scientists of Islamic golden age" had in mind as the معلم اول ? The Western thinker, Aristotle.
Then look at Khayam who is an absolute agnostic in his writings. His conclusion was most sympathetic of all to religion among all these "scientists of Islamic golden age", when he wrote that we do not know what is the truth, and whether the Western thought is true or the religion.
Otherwise, someone like Razi had almost rejected religion to the point of rejecting revelation and authenticity of Quran, favoring instead Western ideas of Galen and Aristotle.These are the people you are trying to promote as your "scientists". None of these if they were born today in an Islamic country and said the same things they had said in their time, would be able to live in any present Islamic country. They would be killed. Either by state or by people like you know who.
And there is no such thing as Islamic medicine. You see, when lies become too large and too old, this is what happens that people like you accept it as part of your faith. The so called Islamic medicine is actually the Greek medicine. And every historian of medicine will tell you this truth. The lies being woven by kaseban deen, will only hurt the religion as it will cause more and more people to leave Islam because of these lies. And their sin will be on people like you who lie so profusely trying to make bucks off the religion.
Before the likes of Hippocrates and Galen of West, medicine every where in the world was basically based on the idea of theurgy. A set of rituals, sacrifices and prayers which were to be followed to keep or gain health eg. smoking off esfand. Of course it was all nonsense. As much of a nonsense as your comment.
Then the Greek thinkers took the idea of the world being composed of four essential elements of earth, fire, water plus air and fused it with ancient observations that the body has four humors namely blood, black bile, yellow bile and phlegm whose imbalance causes disease. This Western theory was called Humorism and this is what the likes of Sina and Razi practiced and all the so called Islamic medicine is. Thanks to the progress West has made, now we know humorism is all baloney but at those times and still among the illiterates of Muslims such as yourself, this Western idea persists under the Islamic brand. You see all what you call Islamic medicine is essentially something between theurgy and humorism. Ancient pagan ideas that were organized into a systemic theory of application by the West and then rebranded under the name of Islam, despite the fact that Islam had nothing to do with them.
This continued until the West invented microscope and discovered cells. The cell theory debunked the humorism system and became the basis for explanation of life, health and disease. This then led West to develop the Germ Theory of Infectious Diseases and sciences such as histology and pathology which became cornerstone of Western medicine. But still West progressed and tried to understand the internal workings of the cells, their types and their relationship with each other until the West solved the greatest mystery of cells, the information storage system of the cells namely the discovery of DNA and RNA. The medicine is now based on molecular understanding of cells and their functioning. Theurgy and humorism of the so called Islamic medicine are dead. Islamic medicine was just a re-branding of ancient Greek medicine and could not move beyond humorism and theurgy. Not even one millimeter. It was the West that had invented the so called Islamic medicine and it is the West that invented the current medicine. And it is the West that is pushing the envelopes of progress today from medicine to child psychology to physics and astronomy. You have no part in it and you should be ashamed instead of being cocky.
You brought a very funny and twisted example without even knowing what you are talking about. Without knowing the fact that anemia and its types are actually conditions in Western medicine, described and diagnosed through Western medicinal techniques/treaties and have nothing to do with the so called Islamic medicine. You, like your "Islamic medicine" do not have any concept of iron metabolism. In short you are talking out of your behind. So typical of your kind. Free iron is highly toxic and the body can only tolerate a small amount of free iron in the food. The primary and most efficient way of iron absorption occurs in the form of dietary iron bound with a protein called heme like hemoglobin or myoglobin. Using cast iron cooking pots does little in solving a problem which is due to poor nutrition in the first place and creates many more problems such as putting at an increasing risk of death others such as people who have hemochromatosis.
But all this would mean nothing to you since you are illiterate in topics you are talking about. You do not know the pathways of iron absorption, storage, function and regulation in the body. All discovered by the West.
You hypocritically wish to be cured by the "Islamic medicine" in your dreams while continuing to use Western medicine. This is hypocrisy. Just like you continue to use internet, cars, zippers and phones while lying to yourself and others. You have only two choices here. Shun West and their stuff or man up and make your own. Since you are failing to man up and are continuing to lie, I suggest you give up using Western stuff altogether. Get a donkey and move out to the desert. Because your hypocrisy here is stinking to the heaven.
It amazes me that despite the fact that all you dears over here are concerned about the progress and future of Iran and you all addressed it very well from different aspects and your own point of views , no sign of common ground has been observed whatsoever as if we are some strange folks living and sharing very same spot but souls are separated by thousands miles ...
Actually diversity is appreciated but as it seems atmosphere over here is like vectors in different directions that just exhaust one another instead of synergy ...
This is the case everywhere, dear. The arguments of conservative Christians/Jews/Hindus/etc vs. science is no more different and no less intense.
he will be cured,
