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You are hilarious. I laughed a good deal, reading your comment. Only your type can say so many lies with a straight face.

At least tell these lies to those who are ignorant and illiterate to gain sympathy for yourself. In the age of internet and communication, these lies of yours will not have any traction with learned people.

I do not think you have even read and studied the people I mentioned, or otherwise you would not have written what you wrote. You see, Sina all his life was a student of Greek philosophy. All his life he read Western books and tried his best to bring Islam closer to those Western ideas. This is the truth. You can go and ask any scholar of Sina about this. In fact Sina himself is saying as much in his own writings and treaties which he wrote after reading Farabi's translations of Western works chiefly Aristotle's. He went to the extent of doubting resurrection (qiamat) the way its described by Quran and Peighambar. This is your Islamic Golden age. It was a time when copying Western ideas was the fashion of the day.

And Islamic scholars of this golden age used to call Farabi (the translator and copier of Western works) by the name of معلم ثانی. Guess who these "scientists of Islamic golden age" had in mind as the معلم اول ? The Western thinker, Aristotle.

Then look at Khayam who is an absolute agnostic in his writings. His conclusion was most sympathetic of all to religion among all these "scientists of Islamic golden age", when he wrote that we do not know what is the truth, and whether the Western thought is true or the religion.

Otherwise, someone like Razi had almost rejected religion to the point of rejecting revelation and authenticity of Quran, favoring instead Western ideas of Galen and Aristotle.These are the people you are trying to promote as your "scientists". None of these if they were born today in an Islamic country and said the same things they had said in their time, would be able to live in any present Islamic country. They would be killed. Either by state or by people like you know who.

And there is no such thing as Islamic medicine. You see, when lies become too large and too old, this is what happens that people like you accept it as part of your faith. The so called Islamic medicine is actually the Greek medicine. And every historian of medicine will tell you this truth. The lies being woven by kaseban deen, will only hurt the religion as it will cause more and more people to leave Islam because of these lies. And their sin will be on people like you who lie so profusely trying to make bucks off the religion.

Before the likes of Hippocrates and Galen of West, medicine every where in the world was basically based on the idea of theurgy. A set of rituals, sacrifices and prayers which were to be followed to keep or gain health eg. smoking off esfand. Of course it was all nonsense. As much of a nonsense as your comment.

Then the Greek thinkers took the idea of the world being composed of four essential elements of earth, fire, water plus air and fused it with ancient observations that the body has four humors namely blood, black bile, yellow bile and phlegm whose imbalance causes disease. This Western theory was called Humorism and this is what the likes of Sina and Razi practiced and all the so called Islamic medicine is. Thanks to the progress West has made, now we know humorism is all baloney but at those times and still among the illiterates of Muslims such as yourself, this Western idea persists under the Islamic brand. You see all what you call Islamic medicine is essentially something between theurgy and humorism. Ancient pagan ideas that were organized into a systemic theory of application by the West and then rebranded under the name of Islam, despite the fact that Islam had nothing to do with them.

This continued until the West invented microscope and discovered cells. The cell theory debunked the humorism system and became the basis for explanation of life, health and disease. This then led West to develop the Germ Theory of Infectious Diseases and sciences such as histology and pathology which became cornerstone of Western medicine. But still West progressed and tried to understand the internal workings of the cells, their types and their relationship with each other until the West solved the greatest mystery of cells, the information storage system of the cells namely the discovery of DNA and RNA. The medicine is now based on molecular understanding of cells and their functioning. Theurgy and humorism of the so called Islamic medicine are dead. Islamic medicine was just a re-branding of ancient Greek medicine and could not move beyond humorism and theurgy. Not even one millimeter. It was the West that had invented the so called Islamic medicine and it is the West that invented the current medicine. And it is the West that is pushing the envelopes of progress today from medicine to child psychology to physics and astronomy. You have no part in it and you should be ashamed instead of being cocky.

You brought a very funny and twisted example without even knowing what you are talking about. Without knowing the fact that anemia and its types are actually conditions in Western medicine, described and diagnosed through Western medicinal techniques/treaties and have nothing to do with the so called Islamic medicine. You, like your "Islamic medicine" do not have any concept of iron metabolism. In short you are talking out of your behind. So typical of your kind. Free iron is highly toxic and the body can only tolerate a small amount of free iron in the food. The primary and most efficient way of iron absorption occurs in the form of dietary iron bound with a protein called heme like hemoglobin or myoglobin. Using cast iron cooking pots does little in solving a problem which is due to poor nutrition in the first place and creates many more problems such as putting at an increasing risk of death others such as people who have hemochromatosis.

But all this would mean nothing to you since you are illiterate in topics you are talking about. You do not know the pathways of iron absorption, storage, function and regulation in the body. All discovered by the West.

You hypocritically wish to be cured by the "Islamic medicine" in your dreams while continuing to use Western medicine. This is hypocrisy. Just like you continue to use internet, cars, zippers and phones while lying to yourself and others. You have only two choices here. Shun West and their stuff or man up and make your own. Since you are failing to man up and are continuing to lie, I suggest you give up using Western stuff altogether. Get a donkey and move out to the desert. Because your hypocrisy here is stinking to the heaven.
what a load of crap. it's good you laughed, cause I don't know how much I should cry for your level of brain washing.

I asked a simple question and you deliberately ignored it, why we can't find any of these scientists from before Islam?
If Abu-Ali-Sina was copying western books, if he was repeating western Ideas, if he was rebranding the western medicine, then why west didn't have thousands of Sina themselves? why they were teaching his books in their medical universities up to one century ago?

when we use the term Iranian Islamic medicine we refer to our traditional medicine which is a mixture of Iranian med and Islamic med. first of all the origin of Humorism is middle east and not west, secondly it was the medicine which was accepted by Muslim scholars and that's just one of the reasons we call it Islamic medicine, thirdly Islam and Muslims wont reject the right things, so by saying it was being used by infidels you just showed the level of your biased thinking.

and about Iron being toxic, well unlike what west is offering (Iron pills with dozen of side effect diseases) we don't plan to eat it and the last time I checked our ladle (حسوم) was intact!
I don't need western biased scientists to tell me about what is poisonous and what is not. Iranian were using copper pots and Iron ladles for centuries and their life was much longer and healthier than people today who use Aluminum pots. I can see its effect among children and young and old people. it's like Alzheimer has become the inevitable part of our life. talked about toxics, it's good to mention two more of them, chlorine in our water and Carbon dioxide in the rest of drinks, all thanks to western science of medicine!
 
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OK so my reply to Mohsen was removed. It would have been nice to get an infraction so that I would at least know the offending part... lol. It's so difficult to discuss Islamist oppression and intolerance even when you don't engage in ad hominem and personal attacks, without the intolerant islamists being insulted by it. And we all know what happens next.... they won't tolerate being criticized. Because they be.... intolerant.

Kinda goes to my point about the possibility of coexistence with these people. Kind of hard to do when they see it as their manifest right to control everybody elses's lives. Will they ever learn to live their lives and allow others to do the same? Or is this necessarily have to end with violence, bloodshed and their forced removal from power? I hope for the former. But I'm not sure if the younger generation will have the patience to wait for much longer, once the Khamenei dies...
 
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@BecouseOfTruth shoma irani hasti vaghean? Barkhi gozaresh dadan ke irani nisti va serfan parchamet irane ke albate agar intor bashe khalafe ghavanin hast.
 
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Still, it does tie in to what @mohsen says about the west introducing problems that didn't exist before, and then give us solutions for those problems, and we are all supposed to be thankful.

Nobody said you were supposed to be thankful! The west didn't do anything for your pleasure. They did it for their own benefit. But the West's problems, as you put it, became our problems when they managed to build sailboats with a thousand sailors and 100 cannons and send them thousands of kilometers away to our shores, and we were not able to reciprocate. Later they invented the steam engine and built even more powerful iron steamboats with more powerful weaponry and more soldiers, and we were still stuck in the same place. They then developed electricity, laid thousands of miles cables and sent messages half way around the globe to better organize themselves and coordinate their efforts, and to us it was nothing short of magic. Later still, they built metal birds that flew through the sky and dropped bombs on us, and all we could do was run away. Shortly after that, they put even more advanced airplanes, on even bigger and more powerful ships and sent them to us. But we were still not able to build even to their orignal 100 gun sail boats. So they did whatever they wanted, cut pieces of our country off left and right, commandeered our resournces and infrastructure, removed one king and installed another, caused the starvation of millions of Iranians... and we were hopeless before their might and power.

The West introduced problems that didn't exist because they invented a whole new world and left us in the dust. So we have to deal with the problems of a world we didn't create. Too bad, so sad... That's how the world has functioned ever since modern humans drove the neanderthals into extinction. So cry me a river... It's called evolution, advancement, progress, change, natural selection, survival of the fittest, etc... So now you have two choices. You can eihter go hide in a deep cave and wait there until they find you and subject you to the same fate as everybody else. Or you can accept that change is inevitable, acknowledge this new phenomenon and try to understand it and use it to strengthen yourself and incorporate it into your toolkit going forward..
 
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Nobody said you were supposed to be thankful! The west didn't do anything for your pleasure. They did it for their own benefit. But the West's problems, as you put it, became our problems when they managed to build sailboats with a thousand sailors and 100 cannons and send them thousands of kilometers away to our shores, and we were not able to reciprocate. Later they invented the steam engine and built even more powerful iron steamboats with more powerful weaponry and more soldiers, and we were still stuck in the same place. They then developed electricity, laid thousands of miles cables and sent messages half way around the globe to better organize themselves and coordinate their efforts, and to us it was nothing short of magic. Later still, they built metal birds that flew through the sky and dropped bombs on us, and all we could do was run away. Shortly after that, they put even more advanced airplanes, on even bigger and more powerful ships and sent them to us. But we were still not able to build even to their orignal 100 gun sail boats. So they did whatever they wanted, cut pieces of our country off left and right, commandeered our resournces and infrastructure, removed one king and installed another, caused the starvation of millions of Iranians... and we were hopeless before their might and power.

The West introduced problems that didn't exist because they invented a whole new world and left us in the dust. So we have to deal with the problems of a world we didn't create. Too bad, so sad... That's how the world has functioned ever since modern humans drove the neanderthals into extinction. So cry me a river... It's called evolution, advancement, progress, change, natural selection, survival of the fittest, etc... So now you have two choices. You can eihter go hide in a deep cave and wait there until they find you and subject you to the same fate as everybody else. Or you can accept that change is inevitable, acknowledge this new phenomenon and try to understand it and use it to strengthen yourself and incorporate it into your toolkit going forward..

You are right, I accept what you are saying.
 
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OK so my reply to Mohsen was removed. It would have been nice to get an infraction so that I would at least know the offending part... lol. It's so difficult to discuss Islamist oppression and intolerance even when you don't engage in ad hominem and personal attacks, without the intolerant islamists being insulted by it. And we all know what happens next.... they won't tolerate being criticized. Because they be.... intolerant.

Kinda goes to my point about the possibility of coexistence with these people. Kind of hard to do when they see it as their manifest right to control everybody elses's lives. Will they ever learn to live their lives and allow others to do the same? Or is this necessarily have to end with violence, bloodshed and their forced removal from power? I hope for the former. But I'm not sure if the younger generation will have the patience to wait for much longer, once the Khamenei dies...
so much blah...blah. I haven't even seen your comment. as far as I know our mod's thoughts is more closer to you than mine.

Reformists now have lost both the Khobregan and Parliament, a lesson for those who want to talk on behalf of Iranian people!
نمایندگان در انتخاب هیأت رئیسه نشان دادند پادوی اصلاح‌طلبان نیستند/ بی‌اخلاقی قدم همیشگی اصلاحات پس از شکست است
 
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باز اینجا چه خبره دو روزه ما نبودیم؟

ول کنید این چرندیات رو بابا برید زندگیتون رو بکنید. گور بابای اصلاح طلبا اصول گراها از دم

گور بابای ملی گرا ها و غیر ملی گرا ها. سر هاتون رو از شن در بیارید ببینید دشمن های اطرافتون چه نقشه ها براتون کشیدن. شرق غرب جنوب شمال...

بعضی ها دهها کیلومتر از ایران دورترن میگن لنگش کن. برین برینین تو ایران
 
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