Yeah sure since Iran is next door and can help fight ISIS quicker before U.S. can help which by invitation of Iraqi government. You can say all you want but U.S. led coalition helped Iraq retake the territories from ISSI. No matter how the Iranians want to portray as the only ones to fight ISIS.
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Respective motivations are key. It's Washington's policies which unleashed "I"SIS on nations of the region to start with. Iran was to be the next goal, but she defeated the plot.
Similar to how the USA removed Saddam... after protecting and supplying his regime for the better part of the 1980's in its war of aggression on Iran.
Why would we need to do that since the U.S. left Iraq and were glad to do so before being asked to come back in to help considering its the same president who wanted to leave who sent troops back in. Could have easily just stayed in long before ISIS excuse came in. Saddam invaded Kuwait and U.S. led coalition kicked him out. Unless you think Iran was the one that did that.
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My explanations were clear and contain all responses to the above. Believe what you want.
Same for you.
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Listen to Alizade nicely debunking the narrative - shared by oppositionists, hostile foreign powers as well as in-house liberals, that Iran's holding back due to the prospect of a zio-American response.
Unlike its zio-American imperialist adversaries, the Islamic Republic does not seek to vassalize partners and allies. The IR cooperates with them on equal footing. By definition, to acknowledge Iran's role does not amount to taking credit for an ally's own initiative nor to negate said ally's agency.
Iran is not a puppeteer. She's a source of inspiration by virtue of a victorious Islamic Revolution which threw off the shackles of imperial servitude. Iran's a literal university of empowerment, assisting nations and liberation movements worldwide to move onto the path of Resistance, or to tread said path more efficiently as is the case of the Palestinians.
This is why Iran represents such a major challenge to the empire's regional and global hegemony, and why the latter is bent on neutralizing Iran.
Unlike its zio-American imperialist adversaries, the Islamic Republic does not seek to vassalize partners and allies. The IR cooperates with them on equal footing. By definition, to acknowledge Iran's role does not amount to taking credit for an ally's own initiative nor to negate said ally's agency.
Iran is not a puppeteer. She's a source of inspiration by virtue of a victorious Islamic Revolution which threw off the shackles of imperial servitude. Iran's a literal university of empowerment, assisting nations and liberation movements worldwide to move onto the path of Resistance, or to tread said path more efficiently as is the case of the Palestinians.
This is why Iran represents such a major challenge to the empire's regional and global hegemony, and why the latter is bent on neutralizing Iran.
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Your post wasn't addressing my point. With the exception of the comment on Saddam which isn't accurate since he wasn't ousted for having invaded Kuwait, other bogus justifications were invoked, whilst the actual goal of the illegal occupation was what I described before i.e. neo-con strategy to remodel the region through force.
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Nothing will ever happen as long as US is superpower and has Europe on their side.
This is a western led world order. Don’t forget it.
Another day another Hezbollah firing AT missiles at Israel and Israel playing cat and mouse with helicopter gunships and artillery.
The fact not a single rocket (from HZ) has been fired is very telling. They are trying to contain this border skirmish level.
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Putin better be careful. Mossad might come after him if he keeps pushing Israel’s buttons.
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That image shows that US and Iran are supporting same elements in the region. Do you realize this?
Assad regime provided space and route to Al-Qaeda affiliates to wreck havoc in Iraq:
During the early stages of the U.S. occupation of Iraq, the Syrian regime enabled the transit of radical Sunni Islamist fighters to the country, where they targeted Americans and mostly Iranian-backed Shiites.
The Middle East’s Great Divide Is Not Sectarianism
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These Al-Qaeda affiliates came together to establish the notorious Al-Qaeda Network in Iraq (AQI), and this group sparked Shia - Sunni strife in Iraq with its misdeeds:
Al-Zarqawi declares war on Iraqi Shia
Iraq’s al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has declared “all-out war” on Shia Muslims in Iraq in response to a US-Iraqi offensive on the town of Tal Afar, according to an audio clip posted on the internet.
Zarqawi's 'Total War' on Iraqi Shiites Exposes a Divide among Sunni Jihadists
On November 2, Ir
Iraqi civil war (2006–2008) - Wikipedia
US-led forces fought and defeated AQI among other insurgent groups and managed to stabilize Iraq in 2011, but this was a costly undertaking that claimed many lives in the process. Obama administration withdrew American forces from Iraq in 2011 with the assumption that Iraq is largely stabilized and capable of managing its affairs at this stage:
Barack Obama announces total withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
President says 'America's war in Iraq will be over' with decision to pull all troops from Iraq by the end of the year
Last Convoy of American Troops Leaves Iraq (Published 2011)
The convoy’s departure came three days after the American military folded its flag in a ceremony to celebrate the end of its mission and marked the end of the nearly nine-year war.
But Syrian "terrorism export services" to Iraq continued with Al-Qaeda affiliates in Syria colluding with disgruntled elements in Iraq (Saddam loyalists) to launch ISIL movement in 2013:
Iraqi al-Qaeda and Syrian group ‘merge’
Website linked to Jabhat al-Nusra confirms move that is likely to alarm international backers of anti-Assad fighters.
How Saddam's fighters help Islamic State rule
From military victories to surveillance, former Baathists are a powerful factor in the rise and control of Islamic state.
How Saddam's Former Soldiers Are Fueling the Rise of ISIS | FRONTLINE
As the radical jihadist group marches through Iraq, it is quietly utilizing a network of former members of Sadaam Hussein's army to help militarize its fighting force.
www.pbs.org
Isis breach of Iraq-Syria border merges two wars into one 'nightmarish reality'
Jihadi fighters celebrate advance with slick propaganda, but its enemies are responding on both sides of frontier
The Wars In Iraq And Syria Have Merged Into A Single Conflict
Iran and ISIS, the two major players in both countries, view the entire region as one battlefield.
www.businessinsider.com
The Enemy Within: ISIS and the Conquest of Mosul on JSTOR
Tallha Abdulrazaq, Gareth Stansfield, The Enemy Within: ISIS and the Conquest of Mosul, Middle East Journal, Vol. 70, No. 4 (AUTUMN 2016), pp. 525-542
www.jstor.org
Syria and Iraq had deliberated on the possibility of merger in earlier times and ISIL movement was a bad immitation of this sentiment.
Former Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Ibadi - one of the leading figureheads in fight against ISIL in the Middle East - also pointed out that Syria was exporting terrorism to Iraq:
Our aim is to stop or to control regional conflicts. There is a conflict in the region, there is a huge conflict. You have Saudi Arabia on one side, probably eager to be a leader of the Islamic Sunni world. You have Iran on the other side who is eager to become [the leader of] the Shia Islamic world, or even beyond. You have Turkey, as well, competing for the leadership of the Muslim Sunni world. And here we are having conflict in Yemen, having conflict in Syria, and it’s been extended before to Iraq. In Iraq, we don’t want to be part of this conflict. We are looking after our own interest, and we think we are the victims of this conflict. What happened in Syria impacted us directly.
Look what happened with Daesh when they crossed the borders into Iraq. So, I think we are very eager to stop these regional conflicts. It’s tough. It happens to be we are here, Iraq is here. We cannot move it from the map. We are bordering Turkey, bordering Iran, bordering Saudi Arabia, bordering Jordan, Kuwait, Syria, of course. And we are here, we have to live with our neighbors…
When Syrian Civil War broke out in 2011, terrorists running amok in Syria colluded with Saddam loyalists in Iraq to seize Iraqi and Syrian lands for themselves:
Haider al-Abadi told Americans that the only way to save Iraq is by putting an end to Syrian "terrorism export services."
Obama administration got the message and dispatched American forces to Iraq to support Iraqi government in its mission to defeat ISIL in the country (Operation Inherent Resolve), and this operation was also expanded to Syria with support of Kurd:
These realities are also touched upon in following article:
Israel May Decimate Hamas, but Can It “Win” This War?
The scale of the violence, death, and destruction has triggered alarm about a wider regional conflict.
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Iran worked with Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces to fight ISIL in Iraq.
Iran also worked with its allies in Syria to fight ISIL but as a secondary objective. The (Assad regime + Iran + Hezbollah + Russia) collective was working to defeat Syrian rebels in Syria who were opposing Assad regime.
While U.S.-Led Forces Dropped Bombs, Iran Waged Its Own Covert Campaign Against the Islamic State
Iran’s spies cheered U.S. bombings in the war against ISIS while covertly arming the Kurdish Peshmerga and penetrating the Islamic State’s leadership.
theintercept.com
Iran could respond to ISIL movement earlier because US had left Iraq in 2011.
US could not come back and fight ISIL immediately.
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I understand that US and Iran have tensions but you are blaming the wrong side for creating ISIL.
If anything, Iran has benefited the most from American military operations in the Middle East:
1. Operation Iraqi Freedom to eliminate Saddam regime (2003 - 2011)
2. Operation Inherent Resolve to eliminate ISIL (2014 - 2021)
US have defeated two of the greatest threats to Iran in the region.
It is not difficult to see why Saudi and Turkey are upset.
What are you complaining about? Strange spin you give to these matters, dear.
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Gaza-Israel war - possible outcomes:
(1) BEST CASE: Israel launches limited ground invasion of Gaza and claims victory after a few weeks in the face of increasing international discomfort with civilian casualties, Israel claims to have destroyed the military capabilities of Hamas/PIJ. IDF then withdraws from Gaza, reopens humanitarian channels / water / fuel etc, Muslim countries pour aid into Gaza. Israel and what remains of Hamas exchange some prisoners and Hamas/PIJ slowly rebuild in Gaza.
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(5) WORST CASE: Israel launches comprehensive ground invasion of Gaza, inflicts huge massacres and war crimes as tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians are massacred or starve to death. International response is limited / ignored. Hamas/PIJ are effectively destroyed and Israel permanently occupies Gaza, opening humanitarian corridor to facilitate ethnic cleansing / Nakba 2.0. Gaza becomes West Bank 2.0 with heavily protected Jewish settlements and thousands of military checkpoints destroying life for civilians inside Gaza, with the goal of eventual annexation of all of Gaza into Israel.
I guess we will land somewhere between the best and worst cases. This also assume there will be no major conflict between Hezbollah and Israel.
(1) BEST CASE: Israel launches limited ground invasion of Gaza and claims victory after a few weeks in the face of increasing international discomfort with civilian casualties, Israel claims to have destroyed the military capabilities of Hamas/PIJ. IDF then withdraws from Gaza, reopens humanitarian channels / water / fuel etc, Muslim countries pour aid into Gaza. Israel and what remains of Hamas exchange some prisoners and Hamas/PIJ slowly rebuild in Gaza.
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(5) WORST CASE: Israel launches comprehensive ground invasion of Gaza, inflicts huge massacres and war crimes as tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians are massacred or starve to death. International response is limited / ignored. Hamas/PIJ are effectively destroyed and Israel permanently occupies Gaza, opening humanitarian corridor to facilitate ethnic cleansing / Nakba 2.0. Gaza becomes West Bank 2.0 with heavily protected Jewish settlements and thousands of military checkpoints destroying life for civilians inside Gaza, with the goal of eventual annexation of all of Gaza into Israel.
I guess we will land somewhere between the best and worst cases. This also assume there will be no major conflict between Hezbollah and Israel.
Senior Hamas official confirms Iran was not involved in the recent attacks, and was only informed 30 minutes after the operation started.
So now we have: Khamenei, Iranian mission to the UN and Hamas itself denying Iran had any role in this attack specifically. And some still seek to claim Iranian responsibility for this attack in an increasingly pathetic attempt to absolve the IR of its responsibility to respond to Israeli acts of aggression against Iran.
Also interesting is that the senior Hamas official states that after Iran, Hezbollah is a large supporter of Hamas, pointing to increased cooperation between Hezbollah and Hamas in recent years.
So now we have: Khamenei, Iranian mission to the UN and Hamas itself denying Iran had any role in this attack specifically. And some still seek to claim Iranian responsibility for this attack in an increasingly pathetic attempt to absolve the IR of its responsibility to respond to Israeli acts of aggression against Iran.
Also interesting is that the senior Hamas official states that after Iran, Hezbollah is a large supporter of Hamas, pointing to increased cooperation between Hezbollah and Hamas in recent years.
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More than 80% of World Muslim Population is Sunni.
About 50 out of 56 Muslim countries are Sunni majority.
So there will always be some stupid people.
Foreign Countries like Iran,US,etc brainwash them and use them in their wars and when they commit war crimes,you hypocrites blame Sunni sect for this?
Regarding Music Festival, Iranis killed their own women just for not wearing Hijab and you think they can't order Hamas to kill people at Music Festival?
Irani Shias use their emotions for their own geostrategic purpose
When Sunni Muslim countries like Egypt and other Arab Countries fought Israelis,there were no war crimes committed but Irani backed Hamas has done this
So it's not about Sunni Sect it's about backers
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