>How is their participation supposed to be verified? I've taken part in such rallies and never saw
>any sign of a verification mechanism.
Another poster here mentioned his experiences which are similar to what I've heard from my family and friends. You can remain in denial but everyone knows the truth, just like everyone knows that Iran is selling drones to Russia and everyone knows that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, despite denials to the contrary.
If the Islamic Republic has popular support among the majority then why not allow a UN supervised referendum ? If they do indeed win by a majority then that would instantly put the matter to rest and end the protests. But there's a reason why they won't, because there's a good chance that they'll lose.
>The government's completely right. Decades of brainwashing and ongoing incitement to >violence by foreign-based media take their toll on some people.
Here you go again with more blame games. This is the Islamic Republic's typical response but what it boils down to is that it's not good enough. At the end of the day they are the ones in charge of the economy, they make the policies and it's those policies which have led to these violent protests for 7 weeks and a battered economy.
>The claim that Mahsa Amini was killed by police forces holds no water in light of known >documented elements.
The CCTV footage shows her fainting. We don't know what happened in between . Anyways she was wearing a hejab. Why didn't they just give her a fine ? Why do they have to drag peoples wives and daughters away which creates animosity among society. Again it's their policies which caused these protests and either way people are not buying the governments explanation.
During protests we've seen how they've responded to protesters with brutality and violence. How many people have been shot by snipers while protesting ? Even if you want to claim that it's foreign infiltrators / agents, which I doubt, even then they've failed to provide adequate security for Iran. They've failed in every regard.
>Had the Iranian government been incompetent, it'd have collapsed decades ago considering >the amount of pressure exerted upon Iran by the powers to be, rather than registering eye >catching development in a broad range of domains, from science and technology to >industrialization, public education, healthcare and more, not to mention how the nation's >security has been ensured against massive plots and aggression.
What do you mean by collapsed ? Look at the Rial. It was 70 to the Dollar when the Shah left. It's now 360,000. The economy is in ruins. The majority of Iranians are impoverished. The government even admits this. Iran is not flourishing and prospering like it should be. Iran is not living up to its full potential and never will with the mullahs in charge.
Why is there so much pressure exerted upon Iran anyways ? It's because of the Islamic Republics policies, that's why. Yes Iran has progressed in some fields but Iran can never live up to its full potential as long as its locked out of doing business with the largest economies in the world.
Look at the Chinese, they're America's biggest rival, but they're intelligent enough to trade with America and the west and the entire world and use that revenue to their advantage. The mullahs, their policies are simply not pragmatic or intelligent.
Several nations in the region (Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Egypt, Pakistan, Qatar) send money and weapons to militant groups they support but they do so covertly. They still trade with the west and they actually use the revenue they generate from that trade to advance their policies.
>Except that military aid to Hezbollah and Hamas represents but a fragment of government >expenditures.
Maybe but the amount of revenue Iran has lost over its support of these groups are in the trillions. Iran should be right now selling atleast twice as much oil. Iran should be selling natural gas to all of its neighbors and to India, Pakistan, Europe and beyond. Iran should have a flourishing, booming tourism industry. Iran should be exporting cars, electronics, etc to the world. Iran should be trading and conducting business with the entire world, with foreigners begging to invest.
However none of this will happen under the this regime. Their policies have ruined Iran. And please don't try to deflect again and blame America or Israel or anyone else. The west is merely reacting to Iran's policies and as long as the mullahs remain in power nothing will change.
>And there won't be a country by the name of Iran in its current territorial shape in case of a >collapse of the central state authority. Iran would get torn into pieces, hostile powers would >make sure of that. As they did in Iran's neighborhood to Syria, to Libya, to Iraq but also to >Somalia, to Sudan and others. The precedents are right there before everyone's eyes.
Honestly that's just basic fear mongering. A very common tactic used by authoritarian governments to garner support from the populace. Trying to convince people that without them the nation will collapse or the world will end. The truth is that Iran has existed for thousands of years and will continue to exist because that is the will of the Iranian people. There is no credible reason why Iran can't function as a free and prosperous democracy.
How is their participation supposed to be verified? I've taken part in such rallies and never saw any sign of a verification mechanism.
You believe people would mobilize for a drink? Are you being serious? And you imagine Iranians are thirsty? Western propaganda itself wouldn't go as far as insinuating such a thing.
And again, how's their participation supposed to be accounted for?
The government's completely right. Decades of brainwashing and ongoing incitement to violence by foreign-based media take their toll on some people.
You keep repeating this while choosing to ignore the responses you were offered.
So I should reiterate:
The claim that Mahsa Amini was killed by police forces holds no water in light of known documented elements.
Firstly, you're wrong about her health situation. She had precedents in the form of a brain surgery during her childhood, as admitted by her father and confirmed by hospital records. So she was subject to risk factors. Also, some of her CT scans (made after the incident) were published, and there were no traces of traumatic injury to the head or torso.
Secondly, why sweep under the rug the released CCTV footage grabbed at the Vozara center where the police van drove her to, along with the other five or six ladies arrested? Fact is, someone who'd just been beaten to within an inch of their life, will not be walking towards the entrance like Amini did, i.e. without any visible sign of pain or impairment.
Thirdly, I don't remember the legal medical report blaming crowds outside the Vozara center. It simply presented the technical conclusions of the autopsy, and they are clear about the absence of symptoms of lethal violence on Mahsa Amini. Considering her foregoing health issues and the unusual stress she found herself under, her falling into a coma and passing away afterwards is not nearly as suspicious as you seem to think.
Why should authorities lie about Mahsa Amini just to validate a fake story spread by well known foreign disinformation outlets?
Kindly get the fact straight: young people can die of a sudden heart attack indeed. Especially when in stressful situations.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...iac-arrest/in-depth/sudden-death/art-20047571
https://www.bestcardiac.com/blog/why-heart-attacks-among-young-people-are-on-the-rise
https://www.thequint.com/fit/video-young-people-heart-attacks-deaths-air-pollution-genetics-exercise
Have a look at the above links, rather than portraying Mahsa Amini's case as some sort of a scientific impossibility which it's not.
No, the legal medical report was properly conducted. So where other investigations carried out in parallel.
Had the Iranian government been incompetent, it'd have collapsed decades ago considering the amount of pressure exerted upon Iran by the powers to be, rather than registering eye catching development in a broad range of domains, from science and technology to industrialization, public education, healthcare and more, not to mention how the nation's security has been ensured against massive plots and aggressions.
Except that military aid to Hezbollah and Hamas represents but a fragment of government expenditures.
And there won't be a country by the name of Iran in its current territorial shape in case of a collapse of the central state authority. Iran would get torn into pieces, hostile powers would make sure of that. As they did in Iran's neighnorhood to Syria, to Libya, to Iraq but also to Somalia, to Sudan and others. The precedents are right there before everyone's eyes.