I was a student in 88. We were never told to participate in government demonstrations or get fired.
I participated in street protests in 88 actually. 88 was at least 10 times bigger and lasted 6 months.
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I was a student in 88. We were never told to participate in government demonstrations or get fired.
I participated in street protests in 88 actually. 88 was at least 10 times bigger and lasted 6 months.
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This is what happens when you give some one a blank cheque.
Maybe it was not a thing in 88 but back during the war we were also transported from high school to participate in pro government demos (and we couldn't say no) and now based on evidences they are doing it again, as Sha's uncle has said and based on the evidences from Ardebil high school where a high school girl died for being beaten because she and others decided to not participate, and this is not a single case. There are multiple cases of such are reported.
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this must be end of time when Florida is doing something that makes sense !
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Well unless my family and friends are lying to me, I have to assume it's true. My uncle works as a professor in University of Tehran. Why would he lie to me ? I don't know I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but I've heard alot about it
Opposition also say that the government hands out Sandis drinks to people so they take part in pro government rallies. They call them Sandis-khor. I've seen some pictures online of drinks and flags being handed out to people who look somewhat marginalized. Maybe it's so people don't get thirsty ? I don't know but it doesn't look good.
Anyways, this is besides the point. The fact of the matter is that these anti government protests have been going on for 7 weeks now and all the government does is deflect and blame America/Israel, playing the blame game.
Mahsa Amini's death, do they really expect people to believe that a young, healthy 22 year old died from a heart attack ? Nothing suspicious there right ? The problem is that people are not stupid. Instead of conducting a proper investigation they blame the crowd outside the morality police HQ for blocking the ambulance. Yet they're the ones who dragged those people there in the first place right ?
Instead of conducting a proper investigation they try to sweep it under the rug. I don't blame people for being angry. The government in Iran is incompetent. Look at the state of the economy, it's in ruins and all they do is make excuses and blame outside forces. It's irresponsible and pathetic honestly. Why don't they take some initiative and do something instead of trying to blame others and make excuse after excuse ?
The west tried to sanction Russia and break their economy but the Russians had counter measures prepared in advance. What is the Iranian government doing to effectively counter these sanctions ? Why can't they negotiate and figure out a way to get rid of the sanctions while are crippling the economy ?
Again all they do is blame outside forces and make excuses but at the end of the day it's their policies which have led to this predicament, the protests, the economy, young people's discontent. This governments number one priority doesn't seem to be to make Iran wealthy and prosperous, but rather they're more concerned with sending weapons to Hezbollah/Hamas. They're honestly very incompetent and people in Iran have no recourse, so of course they're angry.
Honestly I want Iran to be the best country. I want Iran to flourish and prosper. But I just don't see it under this government. They've had 40 years and their best is not nearly good enough. Right before the revolution 1 USD was worth 70 Rials, now it's worth 360,000+ Rials That speaks for itself. They've obviously failed, that's all there is to it.
Opposition also say that the government hands out Sandis drinks to people so they take part in pro government rallies. They call them Sandis-khor. I've seen some pictures online of drinks and flags being handed out to people who look somewhat marginalized. Maybe it's so people don't get thirsty ? I don't know but it doesn't look good.
Anyways, this is besides the point. The fact of the matter is that these anti government protests have been going on for 7 weeks now and all the government does is deflect and blame America/Israel, playing the blame game.
Mahsa Amini's death, do they really expect people to believe that a young, healthy 22 year old died from a heart attack ? Nothing suspicious there right ? The problem is that people are not stupid. Instead of conducting a proper investigation they blame the crowd outside the morality police HQ for blocking the ambulance. Yet they're the ones who dragged those people there in the first place right ?
Instead of conducting a proper investigation they try to sweep it under the rug. I don't blame people for being angry. The government in Iran is incompetent. Look at the state of the economy, it's in ruins and all they do is make excuses and blame outside forces. It's irresponsible and pathetic honestly. Why don't they take some initiative and do something instead of trying to blame others and make excuse after excuse ?
The west tried to sanction Russia and break their economy but the Russians had counter measures prepared in advance. What is the Iranian government doing to effectively counter these sanctions ? Why can't they negotiate and figure out a way to get rid of the sanctions while are crippling the economy ?
Again all they do is blame outside forces and make excuses but at the end of the day it's their policies which have led to this predicament, the protests, the economy, young people's discontent. This governments number one priority doesn't seem to be to make Iran wealthy and prosperous, but rather they're more concerned with sending weapons to Hezbollah/Hamas. They're honestly very incompetent and people in Iran have no recourse, so of course they're angry.
Honestly I want Iran to be the best country. I want Iran to flourish and prosper. But I just don't see it under this government. They've had 40 years and their best is not nearly good enough. Right before the revolution 1 USD was worth 70 Rials, now it's worth 360,000+ Rials That speaks for itself. They've obviously failed, that's all there is to it.
1 USD = 361100 Rial. 43 years and this is the end result. The Islamic Republic has failed. Is anyone surprised that people want the mullahs gone ? Can you blame them ? And if you confront them about it "Oh America, Israel, etc, blah blah blah" Same old excuses. The proof is in the pudding, their idiotic policies have ruined Iran.
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They can't even strike targets inside Russia. How are they going to reach Iran ? Now Biden is asking them to negotiate. If the Republicans win the upcoming election, which they will, Ukraine is f##ked. It's obvious that Ukraine will never be able to regain all of its lost territory. It's been one year and Ukraine is now on the 9th round of conscription. Russia just finished a partial mobilization. NATO is now sending T-55 tanks and some refurbished trash to Ukraine.
Realistically they should have accepted the Minsk accord. They would have been able to keep the Donbas, avoided this war which has annihilated Ukraine's infrastructure. 1/4th of their population has left the country. They're going to spend the next 100 years paying back all the debts for the overpriced weapons they've purchased, most of which has already been destroyed. They could have avoided all of that and kept most of their territory. Instead now Russia is about to pounce on them with 500,000+ troops and thousands of kamikaze drones and Iranian ballistic missiles.
Exactly. It's true. And there's a reason why they do it. Obviously they don't have enough support on the ground. There are people who support them, but obviously it's not enough, which is why they hand out freebies and force people to participate in their rallies.
These are pictures showing gov officials handing out free drinks (Sandis) so people take part in rallies.
Realistically they should have accepted the Minsk accord. They would have been able to keep the Donbas, avoided this war which has annihilated Ukraine's infrastructure. 1/4th of their population has left the country. They're going to spend the next 100 years paying back all the debts for the overpriced weapons they've purchased, most of which has already been destroyed. They could have avoided all of that and kept most of their territory. Instead now Russia is about to pounce on them with 500,000+ troops and thousands of kamikaze drones and Iranian ballistic missiles.
Exactly. It's true. And there's a reason why they do it. Obviously they don't have enough support on the ground. There are people who support them, but obviously it's not enough, which is why they hand out freebies and force people to participate in their rallies.
These are pictures showing gov officials handing out free drinks (Sandis) so people take part in rallies.
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How is their presence supposed to be verified? I've been at such rallies and never saw any sign of a verification mechanism.
You believe people would mobilize for a drink? Are you being serious? And you imagine Iranians are thirsty? Western propaganda itself wouldn't go as far as insinuating such a thing.
And again, how's their participation supposed to be accounted for?
The government's completely right. Decades of brainwashing and ongoing incitement to violence by foreign-based media take their toll on some people.
You keep repeating this while choosing to ignore the responses you were offered.
So I should reiterate:
The claim that Mahsa Amini was killed by police forces holds no water in light of known documented elements.
Firstly, you're wrong about her health situation. She had precedents in the form of a brain surgery during her childhood, as admitted by her father and confirmed by hospital records. So she was subject to risk factors. Also, some of her CT scans (made after the incident) were published, and there were no traces of traumatic injury to the head or torso.
Secondly, why sweep under the rug the released CCTV footage grabbed at the Vozara center where the police van drove her to, along with the other five or six ladies arrested? Fact is, someone who'd just been beaten to within an inch of their life, will not be walking towards the entrance like Amini did, i.e. without any visible sign of pain or impairment.
Thirdly, I don't remember the legal medical report blaming crowds outside the Vozara center. It simply presented the technical conclusions of the autopsy, and they are clear about the absence of symptoms of lethal violence on Mahsa Amini. Considering her foregoing health issues and the unusual stress she found herself under, her falling into a coma and passing away afterwards is not nearly as suspicious as you seem to think.
Why should authorities lie about Mahsa Amini just to validate a fake story spread by well known foreign disinformation outlets?
Kindly get the fact straight: young people can die of a sudden heart attack indeed. Especially when in stressful situations.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...iac-arrest/in-depth/sudden-death/art-20047571
https://www.bestcardiac.com/blog/why-heart-attacks-among-young-people-are-on-the-rise
https://www.thequint.com/fit/video-young-people-heart-attacks-deaths-air-pollution-genetics-exercise
Have a look at the above links, rather than portraying Mahsa Amini's case as some sort of a scientific impossibility which it's not.
No, the legal medical report was properly conducted. So where other investigations carried out in parallel.
Had the Iranian government been incompetent, it'd have collapsed decades ago considering the amount of pressure exerted upon Iran by the powers to be, rather than registering eye catching development in a broad range of domains, from science and technology to industrialization, public education, healthcare and more, not to mention how the nation's security has been ensured against massive plots and aggressions.
Except that military aid to Hezbollah and Hamas represents but a fragment of government expenditures.
And there won't be a country by the name of Iran in its current territorial shape in case of a collapse of the central state authority. Iran would get torn into pieces, hostile powers would make sure of that. As they did in Iran's neighnorhood to Syria, to Libya, to Iraq but also to Somalia, to Sudan and others. The precedents are right there before everyone's eyes.
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Dude come on. It's common knowledge by now that most positions of power and influence in the US are held by people from "a certain ethno-religious group". US is a tributary state of Israel.
>How is their participation supposed to be verified? I've taken part in such rallies and never saw
>any sign of a verification mechanism.
Another poster here mentioned his experiences which are similar to what I've heard from my family and friends. You can remain in denial but everyone knows the truth, just like everyone knows that Iran is selling drones to Russia and everyone knows that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, despite denials to the contrary.
If the Islamic Republic has popular support among the majority then why not allow a UN supervised referendum ? If they do indeed win by a majority then that would instantly put the matter to rest and end the protests. But there's a reason why they won't, because there's a good chance that they'll lose.
>The government's completely right. Decades of brainwashing and ongoing incitement to >violence by foreign-based media take their toll on some people.
Here you go again with more blame games. This is the Islamic Republic's typical response but what it boils down to is that it's not good enough. At the end of the day they are the ones in charge of the economy, they make the policies and it's those policies which have led to these violent protests for 7 weeks and a battered economy.
>The claim that Mahsa Amini was killed by police forces holds no water in light of known >documented elements.
The CCTV footage shows her fainting. We don't know what happened in between . Anyways she was wearing a hejab. Why didn't they just give her a fine ? Why do they have to drag peoples wives and daughters away which creates animosity among society. Again it's their policies which caused these protests and either way people are not buying the governments explanation.
During protests we've seen how they've responded to protesters with brutality and violence. How many people have been shot by snipers while protesting ? Even if you want to claim that it's foreign infiltrators / agents, which I doubt, even then they've failed to provide adequate security for Iran. They've failed in every regard.
>Had the Iranian government been incompetent, it'd have collapsed decades ago considering >the amount of pressure exerted upon Iran by the powers to be, rather than registering eye >catching development in a broad range of domains, from science and technology to >industrialization, public education, healthcare and more, not to mention how the nation's >security has been ensured against massive plots and aggression.
What do you mean by collapsed ? Look at the Rial. It was 70 to the Dollar when the Shah left. It's now 360,000. The economy is in ruins. The majority of Iranians are impoverished. The government even admits this. Iran is not flourishing and prospering like it should be. Iran is not living up to its full potential and never will with the mullahs in charge.
Why is there so much pressure exerted upon Iran anyways ? It's because of the Islamic Republics policies, that's why. Yes Iran has progressed in some fields but Iran can never live up to its full potential as long as its locked out of doing business with the largest economies in the world.
Look at the Chinese, they're America's biggest rival, but they're intelligent enough to trade with America and the west and the entire world and use that revenue to their advantage. The mullahs, their policies are simply not pragmatic or intelligent.
Several nations in the region (Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Egypt, Pakistan, Qatar) send money and weapons to militant groups they support but they do so covertly. They still trade with the west and they actually use the revenue they generate from that trade to advance their policies.
>Except that military aid to Hezbollah and Hamas represents but a fragment of government >expenditures.
Maybe but the amount of revenue Iran has lost over its support of these groups are in the trillions. Iran should be right now selling atleast twice as much oil. Iran should be selling natural gas to all of its neighbors and to India, Pakistan, Europe and beyond. Iran should have a flourishing, booming tourism industry. Iran should be exporting cars, electronics, etc to the world. Iran should be trading and conducting business with the entire world, with foreigners begging to invest.
However none of this will happen under the this regime. Their policies have ruined Iran. And please don't try to deflect again and blame America or Israel or anyone else. The west is merely reacting to Iran's policies and as long as the mullahs remain in power nothing will change.
>And there won't be a country by the name of Iran in its current territorial shape in case of a >collapse of the central state authority. Iran would get torn into pieces, hostile powers would >make sure of that. As they did in Iran's neighborhood to Syria, to Libya, to Iraq but also to >Somalia, to Sudan and others. The precedents are right there before everyone's eyes.
Honestly that's just basic fear mongering. A very common tactic used by authoritarian governments to garner support from the populace. Trying to convince people that without them the nation will collapse or the world will end. The truth is that Iran has existed for thousands of years and will continue to exist because that is the will of the Iranian people. There is no credible reason why Iran can't function as a free and prosperous democracy.
>any sign of a verification mechanism.
Another poster here mentioned his experiences which are similar to what I've heard from my family and friends. You can remain in denial but everyone knows the truth, just like everyone knows that Iran is selling drones to Russia and everyone knows that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, despite denials to the contrary.
If the Islamic Republic has popular support among the majority then why not allow a UN supervised referendum ? If they do indeed win by a majority then that would instantly put the matter to rest and end the protests. But there's a reason why they won't, because there's a good chance that they'll lose.
>The government's completely right. Decades of brainwashing and ongoing incitement to >violence by foreign-based media take their toll on some people.
Here you go again with more blame games. This is the Islamic Republic's typical response but what it boils down to is that it's not good enough. At the end of the day they are the ones in charge of the economy, they make the policies and it's those policies which have led to these violent protests for 7 weeks and a battered economy.
>The claim that Mahsa Amini was killed by police forces holds no water in light of known >documented elements.
The CCTV footage shows her fainting. We don't know what happened in between . Anyways she was wearing a hejab. Why didn't they just give her a fine ? Why do they have to drag peoples wives and daughters away which creates animosity among society. Again it's their policies which caused these protests and either way people are not buying the governments explanation.
During protests we've seen how they've responded to protesters with brutality and violence. How many people have been shot by snipers while protesting ? Even if you want to claim that it's foreign infiltrators / agents, which I doubt, even then they've failed to provide adequate security for Iran. They've failed in every regard.
>Had the Iranian government been incompetent, it'd have collapsed decades ago considering >the amount of pressure exerted upon Iran by the powers to be, rather than registering eye >catching development in a broad range of domains, from science and technology to >industrialization, public education, healthcare and more, not to mention how the nation's >security has been ensured against massive plots and aggression.
What do you mean by collapsed ? Look at the Rial. It was 70 to the Dollar when the Shah left. It's now 360,000. The economy is in ruins. The majority of Iranians are impoverished. The government even admits this. Iran is not flourishing and prospering like it should be. Iran is not living up to its full potential and never will with the mullahs in charge.
Why is there so much pressure exerted upon Iran anyways ? It's because of the Islamic Republics policies, that's why. Yes Iran has progressed in some fields but Iran can never live up to its full potential as long as its locked out of doing business with the largest economies in the world.
Look at the Chinese, they're America's biggest rival, but they're intelligent enough to trade with America and the west and the entire world and use that revenue to their advantage. The mullahs, their policies are simply not pragmatic or intelligent.
Several nations in the region (Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Egypt, Pakistan, Qatar) send money and weapons to militant groups they support but they do so covertly. They still trade with the west and they actually use the revenue they generate from that trade to advance their policies.
>Except that military aid to Hezbollah and Hamas represents but a fragment of government >expenditures.
Maybe but the amount of revenue Iran has lost over its support of these groups are in the trillions. Iran should be right now selling atleast twice as much oil. Iran should be selling natural gas to all of its neighbors and to India, Pakistan, Europe and beyond. Iran should have a flourishing, booming tourism industry. Iran should be exporting cars, electronics, etc to the world. Iran should be trading and conducting business with the entire world, with foreigners begging to invest.
However none of this will happen under the this regime. Their policies have ruined Iran. And please don't try to deflect again and blame America or Israel or anyone else. The west is merely reacting to Iran's policies and as long as the mullahs remain in power nothing will change.
>And there won't be a country by the name of Iran in its current territorial shape in case of a >collapse of the central state authority. Iran would get torn into pieces, hostile powers would >make sure of that. As they did in Iran's neighborhood to Syria, to Libya, to Iraq but also to >Somalia, to Sudan and others. The precedents are right there before everyone's eyes.
Honestly that's just basic fear mongering. A very common tactic used by authoritarian governments to garner support from the populace. Trying to convince people that without them the nation will collapse or the world will end. The truth is that Iran has existed for thousands of years and will continue to exist because that is the will of the Iranian people. There is no credible reason why Iran can't function as a free and prosperous democracy.
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