Iranian Chill Thread

925boy · Oct 28, 2022

TheImmortal said:
No offense but your entire analysis of this war being super pro-Russia has been relatively wrong.

no it hasnt

TheImmortal said:
In the end it looks like my take was closer to reality,

stop gassing yourself up bro, pls

TheImmortal said:
whereas yours seems to be some Kremlin propaganda coping mechanism.

thats not certain- PROVE IT.

TheImmortal said:
Ukraine is willing to fight to every last man,

last man or last NATO dollar?

TheImmortal said:
Russia is not.

RUssia is- you dont understand Russia it seems- you misunderstand it

TheImmortal said:
History has shown us that patriotism and love for the motherland is a key factor in wars.

and Patriotism is high in Russia now! 80% of the country approves of the operation, and its to save and protect "the motherland", so this applies here, but you dont want to give Russia the same credit?

TheImmortal said:
Iraq 2003 - most of the military dissolved in face of US invasion.

different conflict, so apples and oranges analogy

TheImmortal said:
But Iraq 1980’s the military fought Iran tooth and nail (albeit with tons of foreign aid and support).

Because the west had pumped it full of weapons and chemical weaposn too- who else sold IRaq ALL THOSE WEAPONS? obv in 2003 when US invaded Iraq didnt have sht to fight with, because it coudnt buy western weaposn for decades prior to that..cmon bro, stop ignoring the background dynamics of conflicts.

TheImmortal said:
The issue with Russia extends beyond fancy weapons and goes into the basic essence of war

if this was true then whty hasnt NATO's bich azz attacked yet? and also the high death count of Ukrainian troops proves you wrong- you just keep seeing Ukrainians fighting, butr you dont realize they cant continue at this rate, because they have lost ALOT of their good and useful men and troops, simple. IN conflict things are often deeperand more complex than they look.

TheImmortal said:
—which is do your troops believe what they are fighting for.

whats the evidence Russian troops dont? you cant show evidence of this.

TheImmortal said:
I don’t think the average Russian troop can clearly dictate what they are even fighting for.

thats bogus- they put their lives on the line against top NATO equipment and you think they dunno? lmao - youre the one in the comofrtable US apt or house chillin that probably doesnt know who theyre/Russian troops fighting for.

TheImmortal said:
The problem starts here then you add in logistics problems,

Russia's isnt that bad, its decent, and its sure better than Ukraine's today..

TheImmortal said:
poor officer Corps,

doesnt matter- what matters is if you win the war- Russia will win the war, because no other entity you think will win, wil lactually win- thinking Afghanistan war losers will win again Russia is so low logic, i pity such confused persons.

TheImmortal said:
antiquated tactics, incompetence military brass, etc.

yea yea, still kiled so many Ukrainians and kept so much territory- Ukraine hasnt gotten any territory i almost a month- who fed you bs that Ukrainians are doing ok in the war? they are dying, look at their power, even posts by Pro-Ukranians in the PDF thread for that war have eased off...Ukraine is going down start now..SHaheds broke Ukraine, and so did Russian military.

shadihassan28 · Oct 28, 2022

@925 well thanking you for liking my post earlier, it’s a little simplistic to say west sold Iraq biological weapons, they sold dual use equipments to Iraq and gave biological samples believing they were going to be used solely for vaccines, saddam s government if anything else was great at the b.s., did that excuse the west when they should have totally shunned him during a war he started and use those weapons no.Also Ukraine is making steady progress with nato money but Ukrainian blood, Russia was once a superpower, now just a country with the biggest nuclear weapons stockpile. China is number two right now in a decade they might overtake America maybe less.

Cancerous Tumor · Oct 28, 2022

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شورای تامین سیستان و بلوچستان اعلام کرد: فرمانده انتظامی زاهدان و رئیس کلانتری 16 این شهر از سمت خود عزل شدند.

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بیانیه شورای تامین استان سیستان و بلوچستان پیرامون رخدادهای تاسف بار 8 مهرماه در زاهدان به شرح ذیل است:

بسمه تعالی

روز جمعه 8 مهرماه پس از اتمام مراسم نماز جمعه اهل سنت در شهر زاهدان، گروهی از افراد ضمن یورش به کلانتری 16 در مجاورت مصلای نماز جمعه قصد داشتند حوزه انتظامی مذکور را تصرف کنند. در جریان این حمله با توجه به درگیری مهاجمان و نیروهای مدافع کلانتری، متاسفانه برخی هموطنان مظلوم و نمازگزاران جان خود را از دست داده و یا مجروح شدند. پس از این حادثه تعدادی افراد مسلح با سواستفاده از فضای ملتهب ایجاد شده ضمن حمله به شهروندان و اماکن مختلف، اقدام به آتش زدن و غارت اموال عمومی و خصوصی کرده و با نیروهای حافظ امنیت درگیر شدند که در این حوادث تعدادی از اغتشاشگران و افراد بی‌گناه کشته و جمعی از نیروهای خدوم امنیتی و نظامی نیز به شهادت رسیدند.

به دنبال حادثه غم‌بار زاهدان، طی دستور ریاست محترم جمهوری اسلامی ایران،وزیر محترم کشور در شهرستان زاهدان حضور یافته و متعاقباً با پیگیری مسئولان عالی امنیتی، دفاعی و انتظامی کشور هیات‌های کارشناسی به منظور بررسی علل، زمینه‌ها، چگونگی و ابعاد این رخداد به زاهدان اعزام و اقدامات جامعی را برای دستیابی به روایت دقیق و واقعی از حوادث رخ داده در دستور کار قرار دادند. تیم‌های بررسی و هیات‌های اعزام شده به زاهدان، ضمن گفت‌وگو با فرماندهان انتظامی و مسئولان امنیتی، بررسی فیلم‌های دوربین‌های مدار بسته سطح شهر، جمع‌آوری شواهد میدانی، گفت‌وگو با شاهدان عینی و مجروحان حادثه و دیدار با سران طوایف و علمای دینی، به بازسازی صحنه اغتشاش و نحوه اقدام نیروهای انتظامی پرداختند. نتایج جمع‌بندی این تحقیقات به شرح زیر برای اطلاع مردم شریف و انقلابی سیستان و بلوچستان و عموم هموطنان اعلام می‌شود:

1- حوادث روز جمعه 8 مهرماه در دو بازه زمانی و محیط متفاوت به وقوع پیوسته که از منظر عناصر حاضر در صحنه، انگیزه و اقدام با یکدیگر متفاوت است.

2- پس از پایان نماز جمعه جمعیت بالغ بر 150 نفر که حضور افراد مسلح در میان آنها به اثبات رسیده با حمله به کلانتری 16، ضمن پرتاب سنگ، تیراندازی، هدایت و زدن اتوبوس شرکت واحد به دیوار کلانتری به قصد تخریب درب و دیوار و نهایتاً ورود به محوطه کلانتری، آغازگر اغتشاش بوده و با به آتش کشیدن خودرو پلیس و مجروح نمودن تعدادی از کادر انتظامی، تلاش کردند تا حوزه انتظامی مذکور را به تصرف خود درآورند، که اقدام اغتشاشگران برای تصرف حوزه انتظامی با عکس‌العمل پرسنل حاضر در کلانتری عقیم ماند(استفاده از گاز اشک‌آور، بکارگیری سلاح ساچمه‌زن و تیراندازی).

3- به دلیل مجاورت کلانتری 16 با محل برگزاری نماز جمعه، تخلیه نشدن کامل مصلی، درگیری مسلحانه و نیز تیراندازی نیروهای انتظامی، متاسفانه منجر به مجروحیت و از دست دادن جان تعدادی از شهروندان نمازگزار و عابرین بی‌گناهی شد که نقشی در اغتشاش نداشتند.

4- پس از پایان درگیری‌های مرحله اول در اطراف کلانتری، برخی افراد و نیز افرادی مسلح با سواستفاده از التهاب ایجاد شده، در اطراف مسجد مکی، پشت بام‌های مجاور و سپس نقاط دیگر شهر اقدام به اختشاش کرده، ضمن تخریب و آتش زدن اموال عمومی، دولتی و خصوصی، درگیری مسلحانه را آغاز می‌کنند.

5- شورای تامین استان به منظور برقراری امنیت و جلوگیری از گسترش ناامنی و حفظ جان و مال شهروندان، نسبت به اعلام وضعیت امنیتی در شهر اقدام و مرحله مقابله نیروهای امنیتی و انتظامی با گروه‌های مسلح آغاز و تا اواخر شب ادامه می‌یابد. در این مقطع زمانی نیز تعدادی از افراد مسلح کشته و 6 نفر از حافظان امنیت از جمله سردار سرافراز هاشمی به شهادت رسیدند و گروهی نیز مجروح شدند.

6- بر اساس مستندات موجود تاکنون، تعداد مجموعه جان باختگان حوادث 8 مهر و روزهای بعد از آن در شهر زاهدان 35 نفر است که شامل: برخی از نمازگزاران در مصلی، جان باختگان در مرحله اول اطراف کلانتری، کشته شدگان از افراد مسلح در اثر درگیری‌های سطح شهر و همچنین شهروندان بی‌گناه به قل رسیده توسط اشرار در مناطق مختلف شهر هستند.

در پایان شورای تامین به مردم اصیل، وفادار و انقلابی شهر زاهدان خصوصاً خانواده شهدا و جان باختگان تسلیت عرض می‌نماید و جهت تحقق دستور ریاست محترم جمهوری برای اجرای عدالت، ضمن پذیرش قصور برخی از ماموران و عزل رئیس وقت کلانتری 16 و فرمانده انتظامی شهرستان زاهدان و همچنین جبران خسارت وارده به جان‌باختگان بی‌گناه و خانواده‌های آنان اعلام می‌دارد که؛ پرونده حوادث تلخ زاهدان اعم از محرکین، اغتشاشگران و مهاجمان به کلانتری و از طرفی مسئولین ذیربط انتظامی جهت رسیدگی به تخلفات و جرائم، تشکیل و به همراه مستندات کامل برای رسیدگی همه جانبه به مرجع قضائی ارسال شده تا به صورت دقیق و بر اساس ضوابط قانونی مورد رسیدگی قرار گیرد. لازم به ذکر است چنانچه طی بررسی‌های تکمیلی و در صورت مشخص شدن مواردی دیگر از قصور و یا تقصیر احتمالی پرسنل و فرماندهان انتظامی جهت رسیدگی و اقدام به مراجع ذی‌ربط ارسال خواهد شد.

TheImmortal · Oct 28, 2022

Only a homer would claim Russia is “winning” this war. Or “trust me bro” in the future they will. No one is talking about the future. We are talking about current state of war trend. It is not in Russian favor.

Could that change? Of course.
Is it likely? Depends on if adjustments are made.

So far the last 6 months shows us very little adjustments have been made to counter Ukrainian adjustments.

sha ah · Oct 28, 2022

This government really fumbled the Mahsa Amini case. This is the end result.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1585514358263713792

https://twitter.com/x/status/1585304293925523456

sha ah · Oct 28, 2022

Well the Russians initially wanted to replicate what they did in Crimea in 2014, just on a larger scale. When they realized that Ukraine wasn't going to fold, they did make adjustments, which led to their success at Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk.

However the biggest issue currently plaguing the Russian army is the lack of military personnel. An army can only go so far when it's outnumbered more than 3 to 1. However the Russians are making necessary adjustments. For example they recently mobilizing 300,000 personnel and they recently purchased Iranian drones and focused on Ukraine's vital infrastructure. Now they're purchasing more powerful drones from Iran as well as missiles.

Realistically both sides have made tremendous mistakes during this conflict, but if Ukraine's end goal is to liberate all of the territory which Russia has annexed, I just don't see that happening in the long run. The current fighting season is quickly coming to an end. The temperature is dropping and the rain is turning open fields into mud pits. The Ukrainians have a few weeks at most to make any gains. After that we're looking at the winter season and then Russia will deploy 300,000+ troops as well as thousands of newly purchased drones and missiles.

The question is will Ukraine be able to make some gains during the next few weeks ? Perhaps, but they still won't even come close to reaching all their goals and once the Russians deploy their new army into Ukraine, I just don't see things going in Ukraine's favor. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but let's just wait and see what happens.

TheImmortal said:
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Only a homer would claim Russia is “winning” this war. Or “trust me bro” in the future they will. No one is talking about the future. We are talking about current state of war trend. It is not in Russian favor.

Could that change? Of course.
Is it likely? Depends on if adjustments are made.

So far the last 6 months shows us very little adjustments have been made to counter Ukrainian adjustments.

sha ah · Oct 28, 2022

Look I'm just stating facts. The Russians in Ukraine are outnumbered 3 to 1 at the very least. In some areas more than 5 to 1. Taking that into consideration, they shouldn't have been able to take any territory from the Ukrainians.

So honestly do you think the Ukrainians will be able to liberate all of their territory from Russia ? I just can't see it, especially the way they're waging war, it's really unsustainable. Suicidal human wave attacks are quickly depleting Ukraine's reserves. This is why Ukraine is planning another round of conscription. They are currently on the 9th round of conscription. Just think about that.

When Russia deploys 300,000 troops, as well as more advanced and powerful Iranian drones, along with thousands of Iranian missiles, do you really think the Ukrainians are going to be able to prevail ? I mean Russia attacked Kiev with 40,000 troops. 300,000 will easily be able to take Kharkiv and encircle all the Ukrainian troops in the Donbas.

Winter is also not going to be easy for Ukrainians. Just today Russia again attacked more power stations. The main power station supplying Kiev has been destroyed. You say the Russians are using antiquated tactics but what would you call human wave attacks ? What about the fact that Ukrainians are using Maxim machine guns from WW1 ? If you don't believe me look it up.

Anyways just wait and see what happens. Maybe I'm completely wrong, although I doubt it. But regardless we have to wait and see.

TheImmortal said:
No offense but your entire analysis of this war being super pro-Russia has been relatively wrong.

I was ridiculed on here for my pessimistic take while you went the complete other direction. In the end it looks like my take was closer to reality, whereas yours seems to be some Kremlin propaganda coping mechanism.

Ukraine is willing to fight to every last man, Russia is not. History has shown us that patriotism and love for the motherland is a key factor in wars. Iraq 2003 - most of the military dissolved in face of US invasion. But Iraq 1980’s the military fought Iran tooth and nail (albeit with tons of foreign aid and support).

The issue with Russia extends beyond fancy weapons and goes into the basic essence of war —which is do your troops believe what they are fighting for. I don’t think the average Russian troop can clearly dictate what they are even fighting for. The problem starts here then you add in logistics problems, poor officer Corps, antiquated tactics, incompetence military brass, etc.

sha ah · Oct 28, 2022

There needs to be massive retaliation for this. The culprits they captured need to be tortured to death slowly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1585678143205113856

https://twitter.com/x/status/1585525854842626048

sha ah · Oct 28, 2022

This winter, electricity shortages in the UK are all but certain. According to weather forecasts, the UK is going to experience a cold burst this winter. The worst part about this is that they're doing it to themselves.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1585917759468146688