Iranian Chill Thread

[TheImmortal]

It was never necessary , You can't use Economic policies of Europe and USA in Iran ..,
any way , give wage and salaries in dollars then ask people to pay in dollars ...

people like you who support them are criminal ...

Entitlement programs end up destroying a country. Look at US 51% of its budget goes to “temporary entitlement programs” that ended up becoming “permanent” (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid).

Now US prints money to cover that shortfall, but you know what happens if it cannot print? It will have to start burning foreign currency and gold to cover it. Like Iran has been doing for a while.

Not every country can print endless fiat money like EU and USA. They are playing video games with cheat codes since their currency is in such demand around the world.

Iran for decades it has had some of the lowest gasoline prices, electricity, natural gas, food subsidies not just in ENTIRE Middle East, but ENTIRE world.

Asking the government to basically subsidize and entire economy will only bankrupt that country as it grows into the future, like US that instituted New Deal back in 1930’s and now is paying the price in 2000’s.

 

[aryobarzan]

Well the protests have started over the cut in subsidies. No need to link the various videos leaking across social media.

In the long run cutting subsidies is a necessary event. Short run the timing could have been better.

A anti-corruption campaign alongside these cut of subsidies could free tens of billions of dollars a year which can then be used on the people thru various economic reform programs and targeting the poor thru sustainable programs that help them rise to middle class rather than just cheap handouts.

Fully agree...elimination of subsidies was a "must" to have a healthy economy..short term pain for long term prosperity...Raisi has the balls to do it and I wish him success..

 

[OldTwilight]

Fully agree...elimination of subsidies was a "must" to have a healthy economy..short term pain for long term prosperity...Raisi has the balls to do it and I wish him success..

it is started at 1370s /// short terms ...

There is no sign of prsperity ... it just plain sight looting of Iranians ...

you can see paid people in this kind of discussion ...

 

[TheImmortal]

you can see paid people in this kind of discussion ...

You guys need to make up your mind:

Am I paid Zionist American Agent secretly plotting the demise of Iran

Or am I paid Islamic Republic Basij secretly propping up the regime

 

[aryobarzan]

I did not know they pay...bastereds owe me a lot...lol

 

[sha ah]

It's true, these guys are the worst at timing. This is literally the worst time to do away with bread subsidies, at a time when the prices are likely to shoot up because of the Ukraine crisis.

Well the protests have started over the cut in subsidies. No need to link the various videos leaking across social media.

In the long run cutting subsidies is a necessary event. Short run the timing could have been better.

A anti-corruption campaign alongside these cut of subsidies could free tens of billions of dollars a year which can then be used on the people thru various economic reform programs and targeting the poor thru sustainable programs that help them rise to middle class rather than just cheap handouts.

 

[Raghfarm007]

I remember these little kids used to say that I get paid by the Mollahs, when I was on WAFF forum.... 20 years ago.... LOL.

Relly show the small minds that we face in arguments.
They have no substance to their arguments, so they accuse people with differing ideas of being paid agants.

I´ve always said... if the Mollahs want to pay me, I will take their money with pleasure....

 

[sha ah]

US doesn't have a presence in the Caspian ocean and during a war with China they won't target oil flowing from Iran to Russia. All of that is hypothetical anyways.

US and allies will hit those pipelines to cut oil supply to China i e mainland of Pakistan and we will become their target.
A small county like Pakistan can't withstand world powers in conventional war so your proposal can prove fatal for us in any China-Nato conflict.
Even Iran will not try to send oil tankers to China because NATO will have eye on each and every corner of Ocean.They will destroy it before it reaches even Russia.
If Iran responds,This will lead to potential world war from China-Nato war.

Russia is a strong county.They can take the risk to reap the economic benefits in peace time.

 

[TheImmortal]

I remember these little kids used to say that I get paid by the Mollahs, when I was on WAFF forum.... 20 years ago.... LOL.

Relly show the small minds that we face in arguments.
They have no substance to their arguments, so they accuse people with differing ideas of being paid agants.

I´ve always said... if the Mollahs want to pay me, I will take their money with pleasure....

Damn I haven’t heard WAFF in a long time. I remember the gas mask guy logo for that forum lol.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Fully agree...elimination of subsidies was a "must" to have a healthy economy..short term pain for long term prosperity...Raisi has the balls to do it and I wish him success..

According to government data they pay 72 million people. 70% of people get 300K tomans for each person and 30% get 400K tomans.it means everyone on average gets 350K.

350k times72m = 25,200K.

Case 1 :if 80 million people want to get their yarane :

a. 25200K/80m=315K for each person.(these is no error in this case since everyone that signs in their system will get their own share.)

b. government could give 250K toman to top 1/3 and 315K to middle 1/3 and 385K to the poor people.( about 1.5 million more people will get 385K toman vs current 400K group) .

In these cases there is no need to put stupid conditions over people head.at worst case scenario a 385K guy would fear his Yarane would be downgrade to 250K group.



Case 2 : if all 85 million people would like to get their yarane:

25200K/85m=296K for all people of country.

If Mr president has balls of steel as you said and I'm sure he is very popular in his government and their plan's to save country and helping the poor are legit and very helpful for future of country.doesn't it makes sense that his own government should support such plans ?

He could go in front of cameras of national TV and said:

"Dear government workers,My self and all of my ministers,want to donate 1Million toman from our own monthly income to bottom 1/3 of country.every 400K government employees that join us in this plan they will save 8 million people from bottom and boost their income by 50K toman.right now we need your help .


1.Instead of putting their hands in people's pockets they would pay it the correct way.
2.it's not mandatory.
3.The guys that paying for these are having incomes higher than normal people.
4.These guys(government workers) have easier access to bank loans.
5.You don't need stupid red lines.
6.Mr Raisy's government pays these guys so they for sure know,they(their workers) can afford it. ( 0% error chance).

Long story short lying is bad.

 

[TheImmortal]

According to government data they pay 72 million people. 70% of people get 300K tomans for each person and 30% get 400K tomans.it means everyone on average gets 350K.

350k times72m = 25,200K.

Case 1 :if 80 million people want to get their yarane :

a. 25200K/80m=315K for each person.(these is no error in this case since everyone that signs in their system will get their own share.)

b. government could give 250K toman to top 1/3 and 315K to middle 1/3 and 385K to the poor people.( about 1.5 million more people will get 385K toman vs current 400K group) .

In these cases there is no need to put stupid conditions over people head.at worst case scenario a 385K guy would fear his Yarane would be downgrade to 250K group.



Case 2 : if all 85 million people would like to get their yarane:

25200K/85m=296K for all people of country.

If Mr president has balls of steel as you said and I'm sure he is very popular in his government and their plan's to save country and helping the poor are legit and very helpful for future of country.doesn't it makes sense that his own government should support such plans ?

He could go in front of cameras of national TV and said:

"Dear government workers,My self and all of my ministers,want to donate 1Million toman from our own monthly income to bottom 1/3 of country.every 400K government employees that join us in this plan they will save 8 million people from bottom and boost their income by 50K toman.right now we need your help .


1.Instead of putting their hands in people's pockets they would pay it the correct way.
2.it's not mandatory.
3.The guys that paying for these are having incomes higher than normal people.
4.These guys(government workers) have easier access to bank loans.
5.You don't need stupid red lines.
6.Mr Raisy's government pays these guys so they for sure know,they(their workers) can afford it. ( 0% error chance).

Long story short lying is bad.

Why should a government pay citizens? It doesn’t make economic sense in the long run.

Just because Iran is a gas and oil giant doesn’t mean the people are entitled to that. Do American citizens get income from fraking oil? Do ExxonMobil, Shell, and Total pay their respective populations their net income? Of course not.

Do Iranians (citizens) even pay any significant income tax? For years they paid nothing. Compare that to most citizens in G-10 countries.

I support programs that help take the poor out of poverty into the middle class thru a lasting change or helping farmers in order to ensure domestic supply of certain goods.

But I don’t support broad socialist policies. It just leads to government bankruptcy and thugs/those with connections/organized crime to take advantage of the arbitrage of price differences.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Why should a government pay citizens? It doesn’t make economic sense in the long run.

Just because Iran is a gas and oil giant doesn’t mean the people are entitled to that. Do American citizens get income from fraking oil? Do ExxonMobil, Shell, and Total pay their respective populations their net income? Of course not.

Do Iranians (citizens) even pay any significant income tax? For years they paid nothing. Compare that to most citizens in G-10 countries.

I support programs that help take the poor out of poverty into the middle class thru a lasting change or helping farmers in order to ensure domestic supply of certain goods.

But I don’t support broad socialist policies. It just leads to government bankruptcy and thugs/those with connections/organized crime to take advantage of the arbitrage of price differences.

The first(Mr Ahmadi Nejad's View) argument was it's just for transition phase.

"we will create a lot of jobs ,Yarane will be irrelevant after this" I heard similar phrases during early days of yarane.

If you could find someone that explains what happened to those promises tell me about it.I think more than 12 years passed since those days.

In early years I think near 30% of people donated their yarane to "poor people".In those days their yarane was 45K toman which was close to 35-45 USD( 1USD was close to1K-1.2K toman)for each person.

Now I expect government to continue the path of these selfless people and donate their incomes from their own pockets to "poor people".Nothing more than 35-45 USD is necessary.

It's time to lead by example and stop stealing from anyone else.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You guys need to make up your mind:

Am I paid Zionist American Agent secretly plotting the demise of Iran

Or am I paid Islamic Republic Basij secretly propping up the regime

Double agent

Do Iranians (citizens) even pay any significant income tax? For years they paid nothing. Compare that to most citizens in G-10 countries.

In Iran the largest employer is government itself . And after that semi governmental agencies . And certainly all the people who were employed there have paid their tax to the last rial .

 

[Hack-Hook]

The first(Mr Ahmadi Nejad's View) argument was it's just for transition phase.

"we will create a lot of jobs ,Yarane will be irrelevant after this" I heard similar phrases during early days of yarane.

If you could find someone that explains what happened to those promises tell me about it.I think more than 12 years passed since those days.

In early years I think near 30% of people donated their yarane to "poor people".In those days their yarane was 45K toman which was close to 35-45 USD( 1USD was close to1K-1.2K toman)for each person.

Now I expect government to continue the path of these selfless people and donate their incomes from their own pockets to "poor people".Nothing more than 35-45 USD is necessary.

It's time to lead by example and stop stealing from anyone else.

All policies since 40 year ago . It's transitional , we plane to fix it so the policy become irrelevant .
Well the policy **** up the country and they fail to fix what they wanted to fix .

All because of the wide spread corruption that nobody dare to think about fixing.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Just because Iran is a gas and oil giant doesn’t mean the people are entitled to that. Do American citizens get income from fraking oil? Do ExxonMobil, Shell, and Total pay their respective populations their net income? Of course not.

All oil,gas and large mines belong to our people.if companies help to develop one of them they may take a little share(based on their contract). The rest belongs to people and government decides to how distribute this wealth based on permissions and rules of law(parliament).

Last week Mr Raisy said during his TV interview we studied about it and talked to experts there are a lot of concerns but it's the law and we should go for it.At the same time he said if anyone knows any better plan just tell us .

Iran's case is a rare one you know story of sanctions and resistant economy.since it's number one economy sometimes plus EU vs number 20th economy of world our options were limited.It's a path chosen by necessity.of cours corruption could be main side effect of such a path.