Iranian Chill Thread

[OldTwilight]

People like you live in a fairy tale land. Look at what rial was worth during the war and look at what it is is worth today. Look at a gasoline and natural gas consumption in Iran during the war and look at it today. List goes on and on. Don’t compare two very different time periods and try to make a direct correlation.

On one hand you decry JCPOA and claim Iran doesn’t need it then cry when Iran is forced to cut subsidies.

Iran’s foreign exchange reserves are frozen and limited oil sales means even less Petrodollars and Petroeuros are flowing into Iran’s coffers.....thus you have to cut subsidies. And no 1MBPD is not enough money to cover all of Iran’s various subsidies (oil, electricity, foods, medicines, government workers salaries, various government programs and projects).

So if you are anti-JCPOA you have to realize these subsidies will need to go as well. And they should go, they drain the governments coffers. It’s a miracle they lasted this long. Look at what happened in to Hugo Chavez’s Socialist Venezuela after government coffers got depleted beyond repair due to falling oil
Revenues/corruption while maintaining a high socialist subsidized society.

back then Iran population was 30 million , now day with Afghan immigrants , its 90 millions ...

ISI decided to not develop public transformation to be able to sell old useless cars to Iranians and they somehow force people to buy cars ( by not developing public transformation ) ,
The cars most of Iranians are using are old gas thirsty machine with technology of 1990s ( and much lesser build quality of original design ) ...

so , you can't blame people for the sins of ISI ...

and why people like you comparing Iran energy consumption with small cold european country with high availiblity of public transformation ...

مصرف انرژی توی ایران رو با یک کشور گرم و خشک نفت خیز مقایسه کنید ، لطفا نسبت جمعیتی رو هم در نظر بگیرید ... ما گوشمون از این مقایسه های مغرضانه پر هست .

 

[Raghfarm007]

back then Iran population was 30 million , now day with Afghan immigrants , its 90 millions ...

ISI decided to not develop public transformation to be able to sell old useless cars to Iranians and they somehow force people to buy cars ( by not developing public transformation ) ,
The cars most of Iranians are using are old gas thirsty machine with technology of 1990s ( and much lesser build quality of original design ) ...

so , you can't blame people for the sins of ISI ...

and why people like you comparing Iran energy consumption with small cold european country with high availiblity of public transformation ...

مصرف انرژی توی ایران رو با یک کشور گرم و خشک نفت خیز مقایسه کنید ، لطفا نسبت جمعیتی رو هم در نظر بگیرید ... ما گوشمون از این مقایسه های مغرضانه پر هست .

Perhaps like hot and dry like Spain?? No???
Or you just want to live in your fantacy land?

 

[OldTwilight]

Perhaps like hot and dry like Spain?? No???
Or you just want to live in your fantacy land?

are you comparing Spain population , public transfer , cars , houses with Iran ?

Did you ever live in Khouzestan / Hormozgan , Kohgeluyeh And Buyer Ahmad , Bushehr , Ilam , Fars , Kerman ( I lived in Khouzestan for 28 years , before I was forced to immigration to Karaj in job pursuit to be able to feed my child ) ... you can't live in most of these province without Air conditioners in Summer ... so this is very logical that Iranians have more power consumption than European countries ...

Most our houses has little to zero Insulation because our poor people who their income was in Rial couldn't effort to pay for proper insulation for their house which was in Dollars ... so our houses are not energy friendly because ISI decided to print Rials to pay for their own corruption and make people poor , poor people can't pay for insulation for their house ... and now most our houses are not standard ...


so even if you start to pay Iranians in dollars , and remove all subsidies , then Iranians have to pay more because out living environment in not energy friendly due to past 50 years policies of Shah Regime and ISI ...


for god sake , compare to other countries blessed with oils and even higher technology and infrastructure , Iranians are using less energy , water and foods ...

 

[Raghfarm007]

Sorry buddy.... there is no talking sense with you.
I have lived in Spain.... I doubt if you have. The insulation in Iranian homes is noticabelly better than the ones in South of Spain, where I have lived...
Iranian houses are usually furnised with expensive stones.... if you are poor, you dont use these matterials in constructions.

You want to see how poor countries live in hot weather conditions?
Then look at Pakistan and India, or Nigeria... you have got free things all your life, and think this is the norme all over the world..... well I have new for you, it is not..... and instead of feeling sorry for yourself, just look around the world and realise how Iran is better off than so many other countries.
The world is going througha a very tough situatin right now, realise that if things are tough in Iran in most of the rest of the world they are a lot worse..... there is a reason why our neighbouring countries are smugelling Iranian food into their countries.....people are literally starving all around us.

 

[zartosht]

The Azov battalion at Azovstal have basically surrendered. Zelensky is not calling it a surrender though. He's saying that he ordered them to cease their military operation. LOL

Russia lost 70+ military vehicles in a failed river crossing. I don't buy all the purge rumors from Ukraine but someone definitely f3cked up large.

Today Russia claims to have killed more than 350 Ukrainian troops, destroyed more than 70 armored vehicles and shot down several fighter jets of the Ukrainian airforce. This is a high intensity conflict, a proxy war between Russia and NATO.

https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/16may2022_Ukraine_map.jpg

Nobody can geolocate that alleged russian crossing.

Alot of destroyed armored vehicles scattered all over the place, but no evidence of any other disturbances (burnt trees, cratered soil etcc)

Also to destroy a hundred scattered military vehicles requires a massive and sustained air attacks. Something thats impossible given the Russian air superiority. Ukies can only attack hit and run style. Almosy like areal guerrila warfare

Given these basic factors, alot of sources are highly suspicious of this new western fairytale

There is a chance they may have drones. Couple vehicles by a river or something, and went full snake island/ghost of kiev with it

At this point, if the western state sponsored propaganda media say ita nighttime, i will automatically assume its daytime untill my own 2 eyes can visually confirm it

Western propaganda has become to most cartoonish and absurd on earth these days. Only believed by their own simple minded constituents

 

[Hack-Hook]

Sorry buddy.... there is no talking sense with you.
I have lived in Spain.... I doubt if you have. The insulation in Iranian homes is noticabelly better than the ones in South of Spain, where I have lived...
Iranian houses are usually furnised with expensive stones.... if you are poor, you dont use these matterials in constructions.

You want to see how poor countries live in hot weather conditions?
Then look at Pakistan and India, or Nigeria... you have got free things all your life, and think this is the norme all over the world..... well I have new for you, it is not..... and instead of feeling sorry for yourself, just look around the world and realise how Iran is better off than so many other countries.
The world is going througha a very tough situatin right now, realise that if things are tough in Iran in most of the rest of the world they are a lot worse..... there is a reason why our neighbouring countries are smugelling Iranian food into their countries.....people are literally starving all around us.

yeah we used to free things like free work. as i said , if you live in Iran then come and talk

 

[sha ah]

What are you talking about ? I'm not against JCPOA, but Americans won't drop all of the sanctions and what is the point if they just tear up the deal again when Trump comes back ?

I'm against subsidies myself, but all I'm saying is that they should have cut the subsidies gradually. Last time I checked Iran is selling 1 million barrels per day just to China.

They are also selling gasoline/oil to a variety of nations, most of it under the table, but it still adds up. There's even Iranian gasoline in Yemen somehow. Recently they sold all of their surplus that was sitting in tankers at current prices.

They say that right now oil sales are at pre-Trump levels so I'm sure they could have cut the subsidies gradually so as to not shock the nation.

Right now it seems that the world is on the verge of a recession. Just look at gasoline prices in the west. Inflation is skyrocketing and many developing nations are on the verge of a breaking point.

Several nations are just living on debts and will need massive bailouts. Millions of people in war ravaged countries or undeveloped regions are facing the real prospects of starvation.

If you look at the region and world in general, the situation is not good because of droughts, soaring energy and wheat/food costs.

What can people do at times like this ? Cut excess costs / luxuries out of their lives, farm land that usually just sits, bake their own bread ? Some may scoff at such suggestions, but at times like this what else can struggling or marginalized people do ?

People like you live in a fairy tale land. Look at what rial was worth during the war and look at what it is is worth today. Look at a gasoline and natural gas consumption in Iran during the war and look at it today. List goes on and on. Don’t compare two very different time periods and try to make a direct correlation.

On one hand you decry JCPOA and claim Iran doesn’t need it then cry when Iran is forced to cut subsidies.

Iran’s foreign exchange reserves are frozen and limited oil sales means even less Petrodollars and Petroeuros are flowing into Iran’s coffers.....thus you have to cut subsidies. And no 1MBPD is not enough money to cover all of Iran’s various subsidies (oil, electricity, foods, medicines, government workers salaries, various government programs and projects).

So if you are anti-JCPOA you have to realize these subsidies will need to go as well. And they should go, they drain the governments coffers. It’s a miracle they lasted this long. Look at what happened in to Hugo Chavez’s Socialist Venezuela after government coffers got depleted beyond repair due to falling oil
Revenues/corruption while maintaining a high socialist subsidized society.

 

[TheImmortal]

back then Iran population was 30 million , now day with Afghan immigrants , its 90 millions ...

ISI decided to not develop public transformation to be able to sell old useless cars to Iranians and they somehow force people to buy cars ( by not developing public transformation ) ,
The cars most of Iranians are using are old gas thirsty machine with technology of 1990s ( and much lesser build quality of original design ) ...

so , you can't blame people for the sins of ISI ...

and why people like you comparing Iran energy consumption with small cold european country with high availiblity of public transformation ...

مصرف انرژی توی ایران رو با یک کشور گرم و خشک نفت خیز مقایسه کنید ، لطفا نسبت جمعیتی رو هم در نظر بگیرید ... ما گوشمون از این مقایسه های مغرضانه پر هست .

No where did I blame Iranian people. You should probably learn to read before sprouting baseless accusations.

Some of you don’t live in reality

Anti-JCPOA
Anti-West

Pro handouts
Pro government subsidies
Pro communism

You need $$$$ to pay for these. Iran isn’t Switzerland nor it is it Emirates. Most of Iran’s natural gas production goes to......itself.....at absurdly below market prices. That’s tens of billions of dollars a year that the government throws away so every person has basically free electricity.

Once again let me explain this: you need money to pay for these subsidies and handouts

If you are a government and you are under strain you look to reduce expenses and boost income in order to prevent further inflation from printing money and burning the little foreign reserves/gold you still have access too.

The more you burn foreign reserves/gold the more the rial falls due to less stability backing the currency. That is why Russian ruble has remained strong due to a large war chest and continued oil/gas sales. Iran on the other hand has low foreign reserves (most frozen) and low oil/gas sales.

yeah we used to free things like free work. as i said , if you live in Iran then come and talk

You build apartment complexes, businesses, and malls using expensive stones like granite and marble. Go look at the price of one square meter of that stone in Europe or US.

Stop supporting communism or you might as well just let MEK take over.

 

[sha ah]

I'm pretty sure it did happen to the Russians and most analysts seem to agree. I mean it's a high intensity conflict and river crossings during conflicts are always a risky business and can often lead to severe losses.

People tend to forget that this is not a direct conflict between Russia and Ukraine but rather it is now a full blown proxy war between Russia and Ukraine/NATO. There are well trained NATO / western backed mercenaries fighting on the Ukrainian side. Russians have body bags and passports / ID to prove it.

In the west, Kharkiv, Russians have withdrawn pretty much to the border. In the Donbas, the situation is looking bleak for the Ukrainians. It's funny how even with the surrender in Mariupol, the west tries to paint it like a victory.

Nobody can geolocate that alleged russian crossing.

Alot of destroyed armored vehicles scattered all over the place, but no evidence of any other disturbances (burnt trees, cratered soil etcc)

Also to destroy a hundred scattered military vehicles requires a massive and sustained air attacks. Something thats impossible given the Russian air superiority. Ukies can only attack hit and run style. Almosy like areal guerrila warfare

Given these basic factors, alot of sources are highly suspicious of this new western fairytale

There is a chance they may have drones. Couple vehicles by a river or something, and went full snake island/ghost of kiev with it

At this point, if the western state sponsored propaganda media say ita nighttime, i will automatically assume its daytime untill my own 2 eyes can visually confirm it

Western propaganda has become to most cartoonish and absurd on earth these days. Only believed by their own simple minded constituents

 

[TheImmortal]

I'm against subsidies myself, but all I'm saying is that they should have cut the subsidies gradually. Last time I checked Iran is selling 1 million barrels per day just to China.

Mashallah you can run an entire nation of 90M off of 30-35B a year?

They should make you supreme leader for life. We have Merlin here.

Since you live wonderland:

In a live televised interview on Monday night, Raisi extolled the benefits of reforming a subsidy scheme that covers everything from oil to bread, costs up to $100bn a year and that many cash-strapped Iranians have come to rely on.

Now add in:

• Electricity subsidies
• Medicine subsidies
• Health insurance
• Government worker expenses
• Government paid projects
• Government provided services
• Regular government expenses

Explain to me how a country under one of the most draconian sanctions web ever place on a country where most of its foreign reserves is FROZEN and its access to new foreign reserves is DEPLETED.....can survive paying $100B USD per year to prop up its economy.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You build apartment complexes, businesses, and malls using expensive stones like granite and marble. Go look at the price of one square meter of that stone in Europe or US.

Stop supporting communism or you might as well just let MEK take over.

whats the price of a home made of granite in iran ,and you see its free or not
in Tehran you can get this apartment which is more expensive than such apartment in New York

you also can get these

now its up to you to decide in which one average people live


by the way if we want to build our house with wood , like what American or many European do do then the price would be thrice what it is now
the price and availability of different materials around the word is not the same in different places


it show better how our houses are built

 

[_Nabil_]

Biggest problem of subsidises is that they are detoured inside (rich people within the country) and outside (smuggling).

 

[TheImmortal]

whats the price of a home made of granite in iran ,and you see its free or not

The home isn’t made of granite the surface accent granite is used. It’s used from wealthy neighborhoods all the way down to middle class. Business and shopping malls.

But to answer your question since I own properties in Tehran. An average middle class apartment in a middle class neighborhood of Tehran is ~50K USD. Considering Tehran is a mega-metropolitan city of 12M+ Prices are very lucrative.

Biggest problem of subsidises is that they are detoured inside (rich people within the country) and outside (smuggling).

When Iraqis and Pakistanis are smuggling your subsidies, you know you are too cheap.

Are these people trying to tell me the average Iranian has it worse than an Iraqi? A Pakistani?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

back then Iran population was 30 million , now day with Afghan immigrants , its 90 millions ...

ISI decided to not develop public transformation to be able to sell old useless cars to Iranians and they somehow force people to buy cars ( by not developing public transformation ) ,
The cars most of Iranians are using are old gas thirsty machine with technology of 1990s ( and much lesser build quality of original design ) ...

so , you can't blame people for the sins of ISI ...

and why people like you comparing Iran energy consumption with small cold european country with high availiblity of public transformation ...

مصرف انرژی توی ایران رو با یک کشور گرم و خشک نفت خیز مقایسه کنید ، لطفا نسبت جمعیتی رو هم در نظر بگیرید ... ما گوشمون از این مقایسه های مغرضانه پر هست .

I'm with you on issues of cars and public transformation.

Some guys here are comparing Iran to other countries in regards to energy market problems.

Just take a look at number of deaths on road "accidents" and compare data with not just industrial powers but developing countries like our neighbors Pakistan or Iraq.

Iran has better roads and drivers ( most of the times) compared to Pakistan and Iraq but when it comes to number of deaths for some "unknown reason" Iran is proudly ahead of her neighbors.(If you really want to take market share you should compare yourself with industrial powers.)

One system builds cars based on their customers desires and customers vote with their pockets and choose better options.

One system sell cars months before production in the most corrupt ways possible.based on producer desires.

 

[sha ah]

At current prices it's more like $40 billion, but anyways why are you pretending like that's Iran's only income ?

Also the current budget calls for approx 1 millions barrels per day at something like $70 a barrel. Current prices are $112 a barrel. Iran sold all of its surplus which was sitting in tankers at high prices.

Again I'm not against getting rid of subsidies but why didn't they do it gradually starting 6 months ago or 1 year ago ? That's all I'm advocating.

Also why are you trying to be condescending ?

Mashallah you can run an entire nation of 90M off of 30-35B a year?

They should make you supreme leader for life. We have Merlin here.

Since you live wonderland:



Now add in:

• Electricity subsidies
• Medicine subsidies
• Health insurance
• Government worker expenses
• Government paid projects
• Government provided services
• Regular government expenses

Explain to me how a country under one of the most draconian sanctions web ever place on a country where most of its foreign reserves is FROZEN and its access to new foreign reserves is DEPLETED.....can survive paying $100B USD per year to prop up its economy.