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That would be a mistaken assumption. Zionist elites do care very much about even the remotest corner on earth, since their project is one of full spectrum domination over the human species and planet earth.

Furthermore, when it comes to Ukraine, zionists very much have a special interest as well as an extensive presence there. The fact that the current Ukrainian president of Jewish background incidentally happens to be a staunch supporter of the zionist occupation regime in Palestine is only the tip of the iceberg.

Here's a nice paper on the topic, English version obtained by online translator with mistakes edited by yours truly:

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Interview with Youssef Hindi

Ukraine is considered by a number of Israeli Jews as their property

Arthur Sapaudia: Dear Youssef, thank you for granting me this interview. When did you start to take an interest in the issues that concern you, that is to say, among others, Zionism, the clash of civilizations, Jewish messianism, secularism... What was your trigger?

Youssef Hindi:
There was no trigger. I have been interested in politics, history, sociology, anthropology, geopolitics and many other fields since adolescence. I made a name for myself with my first book, Occident et Islam – Tome 1: Sources et genèse messianiques du Sionisme (2015, ed. Sigest), which is the result of my research on the religious origins of Zionism whose official history traced its birth to the late 19th century in the mind of Herzl, a Jewish atheist. My research on the subject, started ten years ago, was motivated by historiographical shortcomings in the genealogy of Zionism. This is what led me to study Jewish messianism and Jewish mysticism (the Kabbalah) about ten years ago. This is how I discovered the origins of Zionism and the strategy of the clash of civilizations. At the same time, I opened other research projects and wrote nine books in total to date.

Who are your precursors in the fields mentioned and what books would you recommend reading in addition to yours?

On the messianic origins of Zionism and the strategy of the clash of civilizations, I am the first, to my knowledge, to have traced its genealogy, from the 13th century to the present day. But like any researcher, I am not starting from scratch. Authors have allowed me, by their contributions as much as by their shortcomings, to advance and direct my research. Among them is the historian Shlomo Sand who believed that Zionism was born in the English millenarian Protestant circles of the 17th century. It was my disagreement with him, upon reading his 2008 book, How the Jewish People Was Invented?, that prompted me to research the Jewish origins of Zionism. He argued that the Zionist project could not have been born in the Jewish tradition since the Talmud forbade the return of the Jewish people to the Holy Land. And he believed, like Thierry Meyssan after him, that the idea of repatriating the Jewish people to Palestine to hasten the coming of the Messiah was exclusively Protestant millenarian. My intuition told me that these Protestant millennials had been influenced by Jewish messianism. It was not difficult for me to demonstrate. But the most difficult thing was to discover how this messianic Zionist project had emerged in the Jewish world.

A few years later, I read the fascinating book by the great reporter Douglas Reed, The Zion Controversy, which he wrote in the 1950s. Douglas Reed saw that Zionism had its roots in the Jewish religion, but he could not demonstrate it. His mistake was to link Zionism to the Talmud, while the latter forbids the return of Jews to the Holy Land before the arrival of the Messiah of the Jews. In defense of Douglas Reed, he was not a research historian or specialist in Judaism, and had no knowledge of Kabbalah; his book is, as he wrote in conclusion, a testimony that future historians had to validate with evidence.

It was then that I began to study the history, concepts and evolution of Jewish mysticism (the Kabbalah) and messianism, because I sensed that it was in this current that I would find the origins of the zionist project. So I immersed myself in the books of Gershom Scholem which were very useful to me in understanding Kabbalah and messianism. But there again, Scholem did not link Zionism to Kabbalah and messianism. And I had to do more precise research on key periods and characters to resolve this “historical problem”.

It is very difficult for a neophyte to distinguish between Gnosis, Kabbalah, messianism, alchemy, magic... How do you find your way around and what would be their common basis?

Kabbalah was strongly influenced by Gnosticism which originated from beliefs coming from both ancient Persian religion [Mazdeism], Greek religion and certainly other beliefs from both the Mediterranean and India via Mesopotamia. Kabbalah is composed of several branches: apocalyptic, cosmology, angelology, demonology and magic. As for Jewish messianism, it has, over the centuries, been largely penetrated by the Kabbalah. But I strongly advise against venturing into the study of Kabbalah for those who do not have a solid theological foundation. They will get lost there.

Do you think what is happening currently in Ukraine is an integral part of active messianism?

As I explained recently1, it is first of all about the geopolitical confrontation between the United States and Russia. This is the old strategy of the Anglo-American thalassocratic power, one of the main objectives of which is to take control of Eurasia. A project that is naturally opposed by Russia, a tellurocratic power, threatened with destruction. But Jewish messianism is not far away. Ukraine is considered by a number of Israeli Jews as their property. Moreover, President Zelinski is himself a Jew, just like his master, the billionaire Igor Kolomoïski (holder of Ukrainian, Israeli and Cypriot nationalities) who financed the neo-Nazi battalions of Ukraine. Kolomoiski also lives in Israel.

In an article published in September 2015, I analyzed the Zionist strategy vis-à-vis Russia2, which was combined with US geostrategy. Israel, via the pro-Israeli lobby3, uses, in particular since the turning point of September 11, 2001, the United States and NATO as a tool for the destruction of Russia's historical allies in the Middle East, which leads to even greater animosity between Russians and Americans.

At the same time, the Zionist leaders are trying, through intermediaries, to negotiate with Russia so that it abandons its Syrian and Iranian allies. In July 2013, Prince Bandar, as a representative of Saudi Arabia (Israel's ally), met with Vladimir Putin during the Syrian crisis. During the talks, Bandar allegedly proposed an economic, oil and gas agreement to Vladimir Putin, in exchange for which he would have to let go of Iran, abandon President Assad and deliver Syria to terrorists4. At the time, I analyzed the fire lit a few months later in Ukraine as an American-Israeli response to the Russian refusal. Moreover, Israel was preparing to deliver weapons to Ukraine a month or two after the start of the civil war. Putin then warned the Jewish state.

1 https://strategika.fr/2022/02/26/le...tan-russie-conference-audio-de-youssef-hindi/
2 http://www.geopolintel.fr/article970.html
3 John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt, The pro-Israel lobby and American foreign policy, La Découverte, 2007.
4 Al Manar, “What was not revealed about the stormy Bandar-Putin encounter”, August 21, 2013.
5 Sputnik, “Putin warns Israel against arms deliveries to Kyiv”, 18 April 2015.


https://sapaudia.org/2022/03/07/entretien-avec-youssef-hindi-03-22/

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Not sure what you define as backstabbing. It's not a secret that the agendas of Russia and the Resistance Axis in Syria aren't entirely identical, but they also have major objectives in common and furthermore there's a degree of interdependence stemming from the ground reality (for instance, Russia knows its air power and Russian-trained SAA ground forces alone will not suffice to maintain the status quo, and that there's no substitute for Iran and her allies in the infantry department).



This doesn't qualify as betrayal, since Russia never gave assurances to Iran that it would join the Resistance against zionism. And this was clear to the Resistance from the beginning. Making sure the zionists won't target Russian assets in Syria is not an act of hostility towards the Resistance.

Furthermore, I'd take any assessment beginning with the claim that Russia is the de facto ruler of Syria with a grain of salt. Not to mention that even if it was the case, it would imply that Moscow has no issues with the extensive military presence of Iranian and allied forces all over liberated parts of Syria, including the Golan.



Of course they won't take an openly firm stance. The whole idea is to leave a door open for Russia while maintaining pressure on her via the zionist, russophobic and NATO-backed Ukrainian regime, and instrumental the crisis they provoked (the western regimes' responsibility in bringing about this crisis was correctly pointed to by our Supreme Leader).

Isra"el"'s condition for reining in their NATO and Ukrainian vassals, is that Moscow severe its ties with Iran and President Bashar Al-Assad's government, and let takfiri and/or sectarianist terrorists take control of Syria. It's a sophisticated form of blackmail.



They will lose and their territory will be conquered by Russia anyway. I very much doubt that Russia is going to annex the entirety of Ukraine, let alone enslave its citizens.

But, the Ukrainian regime has mostly itself to blame for the destruction, given that it let itself be manipulated by NATO into continually provoking Russia and violating the 2014 Minsk Agreement. Russia showed patience and restraint for more than seven years before deciding to put a forceful end to these games.



As explained above, the background picture is even more complex than that. Interests and survival indeed, including from Russia's perspective, her own survival in the face of NATO's destructive designs.



That's not exactly what happened. Iran did not deal with the zionist regime, but with the Americans, who then resorted to Isra"el"i stocks of weapons in order to blur out their own role (remember the Reagan regime had failed to inform Congress as it should have, since it was a covert undertaking). Furthermore, the US never intended to help Iran: rather it was Iran which, after escalating massively in Lebanon, and in exchange for mediating the release of western hostages held there, forced the US to agree to token arms deliveries

Also, there's a significant difference between, on the one hand, pressuring your enemy to supply a few arms - which, as said were extremely limited in numbers, only because the military you inherited from the former western-aligned regime was almost entirely made of western weaponry and you didn't have the time to develop your own defence industries yet, and on the other hand, acting as a full-blown lackey to foreign powers and following their wishes even if it's to your own detriment, as the pro-western regime in Kiev has been doing.

Ukraine's alliance with the west is not a consequence of the war, and preceded it by many years. Russia was not asking for Ukraine to come into its exclusive fold, but would have been content if Kiev followed a neutral line similar to Austria during the Cold War.



I'd submit that there's no bigotry in the above analyses.



No contextual information available. It's possible that the two civilians were targeted intentionally, it's possible that those firing the shots were Russians indeed, but other potential explanations can't be excluded out of hand.



Civilians, especially children, women and elderly falling victim to conflicts is always horrible, no matter where such a thing takes place. This said, more evidence is needed to be able to solidly conclude that Russia targeted these civilians in a deliberate manner. A certain amount of collateral damage is unfortunately inevitable, especially in urban settings. What's important is that everything conceivable is done to avoid such damage.



I can't see anyone laying on the ground after the blast. Not sure that lethal ammunition was used here.



A person seemingly shot in the knee / leg, we don't know by whom, why etc. Police violence on a normal day in the US looks worse than this, honestly.



Again, those almost certainly aren't lethal munitions, since persons hit are standing up and start walking again.



Russia, while having faults of its own, is not remotely as oppressive as the zionist and American regimes. Which is why Islamic Iran is resisting the latter and entering certain partnerships with the former.

I understand many of our Indonesian friends are still marked by the radical anti-communism of the bipolar era, and by extension may tend to project antagonistic views on post-Soviet Russia as well, but times have changed and so has the geopolitical reality. Russia is no longer the Soviet Union, which used to be an illegitimate empire indeed; but this doesn't apply to its successor state, the Russian Federation. You're entitled to take issue with Moscow's policies, but it is not a state that needs regime change like the US or Isra"el".
From here I can understand your character. Sorry to say this, it looks like your fanaticism is no different from ISIS.

Your fanaticism/obsession has gone too far and it makes your mind and heart cloudy. Love fanaticism and obsession that is too excessive will make you always justify the mistakes of your masters, even though there is evidence that they are wrong.

Your writing is so long but the meaning is 'empty', but I will answer your writing simply.

This means that you are implying that the Iranian Jews are allies of the Zionists. Imam Khomeini said "Iran's enemies are not Jews but Zionists".

Zionists do not care and do not provide weapons to Ukraine https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...ses-repeated-ukrainian-requests-for-arms/amp/ .

As I've said before Putin only cares about his 'interests' i.e. his military base in Syria, that's why he turned down prince Bandar's offer (If Russia didn't have a military base they would never help Syria).

You say Russia/Putin doesn't want to be part of the 'resistance' (Iran Syria Hezbollah Yemen Palestine Iraq) then why do you still obsess, admire, and even become a mouthpiece or spokesman for Putin?.

Syria and Assad have become Putin's subordinates (slaves), look Syria/Assad will do whatever his lord says Putin is like sending Syrian troops to Ukraine. Putin also already has a protégé/agent, namely general Suheil al Hassan (who is always escorted by the Russian Spetsnaz) who will later become a 'puppet' and substitute for Assad.

See Georgia which is not a member of NATO in 2008 its territory of Abkhazia and South Ossetia was annexed by Russia/Putin, now Ukraine's territory is Crimea Luhansk and Donetsk annexed by the greed of Russia/Putin. Even if all the countries in the world join NATO they will never dare to attack Russia because Russia has the largest number of nuclear warheads in the world. So there is no reason to say that Ukraine was attacked by Russia because it wanted to join NATO. Putin Evil should imitate China.

"Russian point of view" you say, then why are you angry with Ukrainian point of view?

Yes Iran In defending against the Iraqi attack, receiving arms aid from the country it hates namely Israel, read this https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%27s_role_in_the_Iran–Iraq_war
This is no different from Ukraine, to 'survive' they received weapons assistance from the great US Devil.

Wow, your comments on the video show you have been blinded by your fanaticism/obsession with Putin. Maybe even if your child was shot by a Putin soldier you would say "No contextual information is available, or maybe a Putin soldier shot accidentally" poor child.

I actually respect or like some of your thoughts, but about Russia/Putin I'm disappointed in you.
 
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From here I can understand your character. Sorry to say this, it looks like your fanaticism is no different from ISIS.

Your fanaticism/obsession has gone too far and it makes your mind and heart cloudy. Love fanaticism and obsession that is too excessive will make you always justify the mistakes of your masters, even though there is evidence that they are wrong.

Your writing is so long but the meaning is 'empty', but I will answer your writing simply.

Quite the ad hominems dished out by way of an introduction. Oh well, I'll just concentrate on whatever content will actually be addressing my points, especially since comparing what I wrote to "I"SIS-like discourse is far from warranting a reply.

This means that you are implying that the Iranian Jews are allies of the Zionists. Imam Khomeini said "Iran's enemies are not Jews but Zionists".

I fail to see any connection between my comments and the belief that every Jewish Iranian is necessarily allied with or sympathetic towards the zionists - some are (especially among expatriates), make no mistake about it, but not all of course, and I've myself observed this often enough here. So the contention isn't justified.


Zionists are bound to care about what's going on in Ukraine if alone for the facts that:

1) Ukraine proportionally has a large number of Jewish oligarchs susceptible to be recruited by the zionists or to support zionism. Note: I said susceptible, not guaranteed to. But still, it offers considerable windfall for Tel Aviv to exploit, and the Isra"el"i regime is definitely not known for passing on such opportunities.

2) Tel Aviv, while having significant ties with Moscow, is not happy at all about Russian help for the government of President Assad against terrorist forces, at least so long as President Assad refuses to abandon his Iranian(-led) allies and evict them from his country. There's no doubt about this. It follows that the zionists will use any adapted, indirect means at their disposal to try and pressure Russia into revising its stance on Syria and on Iran to the detriment of the Resistance. And Ukraine happens to be a perfect type of staging ground for such a stratagem.

That Isra"el" rejected Ukrainian demands for weapons doesn't mean they're indifferent to the events or uninterested in using the Ukrainian crisis to advance their interests. Just that they're involved in an elaborate and carefully calibrated game. Tel Aviv isn't going to support Kiev all too directly, because this would cause a strong reaction from Russia and undermine the zionist strategy, which consists in trying to push Moscow, without antagonizing it frontally, to completely part ways with the Resistance. Else, zionists would risk jeopardizing their relations with Russia, and they rightfully don't consider this would be in their interest, since they are deriving multiple benefits from their ties with Russia.

Moreover, Putin defined Isra"el"i arms sales to Ukraine as a red line in 2015 already. See:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-warns-israel-not-to-sell-arms-to-ukraine/

Tel Aviv wouldn't want the Russians to counter by operating further rapprochement with to the Resistance, which is probably what Moscow would do if Isra"el" was to supply weaponry to Kiev.

As I've said before Putin only cares about his 'interests' i.e. his military base in Syria, that's why he turned down prince Bandar's offer (If Russia didn't have a military base they would never help Syria).

And how does it invalidate my arguments? I agree, Russia is acting in its own interests. And, these happen to align with the interests of Iran and the Resistance in Syria, to such an extent that the zionists are seriously irked by it.

Which is precisely why they're trying to raise the costs of this sort of a policy for Moscow and convince the Russians to review their position in the Levant. And they're going about it indirectly, pitting their NATO and Ukrainian assets against Russia until Moscow gives in, or so they hope.

You say Russia/Putin doesn't want to be part of the 'resistance' (Iran Syria Hezbollah Yemen Palestine Iraq) then why do you still obsess, admire, and even become a mouthpiece or spokesman for Putin?.

In Syria, both Russia and Iran need each other for the time being. Furthermore, Russia's not considered an enemy by Iran (although it's not a full fledged strategic ally either), but NATO does fall into the hostile category, so Iran has no immediate reason to pick sides with Kiev and its western patrons in the ongoing conflict. This is especially true if we view everything through the lens of national interests like you suggest we should.

Syria and Assad have become Putin's subordinates (slaves), look Syria/Assad will do whatever his lord says Putin is like sending Syrian troops to Ukraine. Putin also already has a protégé/agent, namely general Suheil al Hassan (who is always escorted by the Russian Spetsnaz) who will later become a 'puppet' and substitute for Assad.

You see, claims like these are massively propagated by the west and the zionists with the aim of obfuscating the rock solid alliance and close brotherly relationship thay exists between Syria and Iran. It's simple though, if the Russians thought they could safeguard their local interests without Iran, then what you're stating would have have taken place years ago already.

How often have mainstream media outlets tried to suggest Putin "is just about to ditch Iran" in Syria? Correct, countless times. It all proved to be nothing more than psy-ops. Sure, this reflects the actual goal pursued by the west and the zionists, hence the psy-ops. However, three key factors aren't lost on Moscow:

1) No matter how the number of SAA units Russia will train, no matter how many high-ranking protégés it can muster within the Syrian establishment, the Syrian state has been weakened and destructured to such an extent during the war that these Russian resources won't represent a viable substitute the Iranian role on the ground, especially when considering the relative strength of the enemy. And this is bound to remain so for the foreseeable future. So Russia will not be able to protect her interests against NATO- and zionist-backed - and thus extremely resourceful terrorists without substantial Iranian input.

2) Now more than ever, Moscow has understood perfectly well that western regimes cannot be trusted, that they've taken aim at Russia's very existence as a unified and capable nation-state, and that their assurances and promises aren't worth a penny. This applies to the west's and Isra"el"'s repeated proposals to Moscow, asking the Russians to evict Iran from Syria in exchange for guarantees that Russian interests will then be taken into account, and that anti-Russian, extremist terrorists won't be unleashed on Syria a second time around.

3) Russia also knows that Iran will fight with everything in her power to keep intact the geographical integrity of the Resistance Axis including Syria. In other terms, Moscow knows it will have to make an enemy of the Iranians and confront the Resistance kinetically, not just in Syria but across the region, if it ever tries to oust them by force. As if it didn't have enough on its hand with NATO already.

See Georgia which is not a member of NATO in 2008 its territory of Abkhazia and South Ossetia was annexed by Russia/Putin, now Ukraine's territory is Crimea Luhansk and Donetsk annexed by the greed of Russia/Putin. Even if all the countries in the world join NATO they will never dare to attack Russia because Russia has the largest number of nuclear warheads in the world. So there is no reason to say that Ukraine was attacked by Russia because it wanted to join NATO. Putin Evil should imitate China.

They don't dare to attack Iran either. In fact, they will wage direct full-scale war exclusively on battered, mostly disarmed nations unable to defend themselves, or on small ones deprived of the necessary critical mass and clout to put up a meaningful fight: Serbia-Montenegro / Yugoslavia in 2000, Iraq in 2003, Libya in 2011, etc.

When facing adversaries more formidable than that, they will resort to a host of hybrid instruments in an attempt to defeat and in effect destroy and dismantle them irreversibly - from sanctions to armed proxies, psy-ops, relentless propaganda, domestic fifth columns and "colored revolution" attempts, intelligence war and sabotage, you name it. They will play the long game as they say.

If you really doubt the west's hostile intentions towards Russia, which became evident even during the early post-Soviet period when NATO could not invoke the specter of supposed Russian expansionism as a pretext because Russia was at its most fragile and vulnerable point in modern history, then frankly any conclusion drawn will be biased.

Putin cannot merely imitate China, Russia isn't as heavyweight as China and is thus obliged to define more restrictive red lines. By the quoted logic, Iran shouldn't have intervened in Syria and Iraq either. However, such a decision would have represented a fatal mistake. You mustn't let the enemy encroach unhindered around your borders and alter the status quo in such a way as to put in charge your most rabid, aggressive enemies in every one of your neighboring states. At one point you'll have to cut the enemy's hands off, preferably when you have international law on your side too (as was the case of Iran and allies in Syria but, it is true, not of Russia this time around).

Yes Iran In defending against the Iraqi attack, receiving arms aid from the country it hates namely Israel, read this https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%27s_role_in_the_Iran–Iraq_war
This is no different from Ukraine, to 'survive' they received weapons assistance from the great US Devil.

My friend, I'm well aware of the history of the Iran-Iran war. And I can tell you that most of the content on that Wikipedia page is baseless and a revision of history. They're mentioning weapons Iran is not known for ever operating nor maintaining in its inventory.

I previously described what actually happened. And why we can't compare Iran during the Sacred Defence to present day Ukraine. To suggest otherwise would leave out too many key aspects pertaining to the two respective contexts. To break it down anew:

1) Iran didn't deal with Isra"el", but with the Americans. The latter transferred American-made but Isra"el"i-owned weapons to Iran because they had to cover their tracks, since the whole undertaking was kept hidden from Congress (an illegal action).

2) The US wasn't ready nor willing to supply any weapons to Iran. Iran coerced them into this by escalating in Lebanon, with pro-Iranian forces striking US Marine barracks, eliminating high ranking CIA officers and abducting scores of western journalists and other citizens, who might or might not have been spies too. Did Ukraine first have to hit NATO hard in order to convince them to supply a handful of overpriced weapons, and clandestinely at that?

3) Iran knew it was dealing with enemies, but was facing a dilemma due to the fact that its armed forces were inherited from an ousted, western-equipped former regime, and Iran didn't have the means yet to develop an indigenous defence industry. Otherwise no arms transfers would have taken place. Is Ukraine facing a similar dilemma?

4) Iran was fighting the west and the zionists even during and right after the Iran-Contra affair, in a variety of theaters, either directly or indirectly. Iran was and is a fully independent nation standing up to and challenging the world's foremost imperial power. Does this apply to the Ukrainian client state as well?

5) Iran could not have averted the war, since it had not provoked Iraq. Saddam was simply a short sighted, gullible and trigger happy leader. Ukraine however provoked Moscow for seven full years before Russia finally declared war on them. Kiev wouldn't have lost its identity, nor its wealth, nor its security, nor its sovereignty and independence if it chose to remain neutral between NATO and Russia. Yet the Ukrainians decided otherwise.

6) The weapons Iran obtained were few and far between. And Iran was no longer facing an existential threat at that moment in time (1986), in fact the bulk of the fighting was taking place on Iraqi soil. So these arms wasn't actually decisive for Iran's survival. Also, those in the Iranian establishment who pleaded for and conducted this marginal arms deal with the US were heavily criticized by the rest of the establishment. To this day they're considered practically as traitors by many inside the system.

7) Whatever scarce and inconsequential amounts of weapons it is that Iran received from the west, the Iraqis were supplied incomparably larger quantities from the same west. Does this apply to Russia vis a vis the Ukraine as well?

This shows that the two cases are distinct. I shared what I've learnt over the years in a sincere manner, now of course you're free to take it or to leave it, but then you'd be relying on distortions devised by sources which in fact are not exactly friends of Iran, if they aren't outright enemies that is.

Wow, your comments on the video show you have been blinded by your fanaticism/obsession with Putin. Maybe even if your child was shot by a Putin soldier you would say "No contextual information is available, or maybe a Putin soldier shot accidentally" poor child.

I mean no offense, but most of these videos weren't very serious, were they? If you consider someone who fires tear gas on protesters in a situation of war as the very ultimate incarnation of evil, then what this will tend to show, is that I'm hardly the one blinded by propaganda from either side.

As for the clip with the civilian car, remember the footage which emerged at the beginning of this war, where an APC overran a civilian automobile driven by a female Ukrainian? Of course the incident was immediately blamed on Russia by western online propagandists, before it turned out that it was actually a Ukrainian military vehicle, that the driver of the car luckily wasn't killed, and that the whole episode was caused by a mistake on the part of the APC crew... So obviously, there are good reasons not to take every claim from pro-Ukrainian users that one can find on the internet at face value, but to wait until there's solid confirmation, if at all.

I actually respect or like some of your thoughts, but about Russia/Putin I'm disappointed in you.

I don't see how siding with the NATO clients in Kiev would be the sounder approach from the perspective of the Resistance. I can understand if a friend of the Resistance will prefer to adopt a neutral stance on this war and be critical of both sides, for their own reasons, I can even understand if they align on the Ukrainian regime again for their own subjective reasons, but to opine that anyone who doesn't is not staying true to the ideological principles of the Resistance as well as to Iran's interests, in my eyes would imply that one has to be mistaken at a certain point in one's analysis.

Just for your information, the only camp in Iran whose members or backers are seen defending the Ukrainian regime is the liberal camp (reformists, moderates), i.e. the western-apologetic one which hardly believes in anti-imperial Resistance anymore. Which is opposed to Iran's intervention in Syria, which has a problem with Iran arming the Palestinians and Hezbollah. The revolutionaries however are not supporting Kiev, most tend to be neutral (granted, more than me probably), while some may have a preference for Russia.
 
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This is by far some boneheaded analysis. Almost looks like a US Republican Senator editorial article in the Jerusalem Post.

Jordan invading Syria? Are you even paying attention what’s happening in Jordan? The king is barely holding on to power, his parliament is against him. You think he will join a “buffer zone” operation that benefits mostly Israel?

Lebanese military clearing South Lebanon of HZ? Is this a joke? Hezbollah could decimate the Lebanese “army” without lifting a finger.

You been watching too much European propaganda over in Deutschland

Are you kidding me bro?

Have you first seen the state Syria is in currently it has been decapitated literally and several fiefdoms. Hack if Russia packs and leaves today the rebels themselves could roll him over who initially defeated them before the russian interventions and they don't have a functioning airforce in syria but I don't think there is any political incentive as his in good terms with Damascus hence the likelihood is basically zero but Jordan has great airforce with lethal BVR and well armed forces that is two folds above that of Ukraine both in conventional and air force armament.

The Lebanese armed forces is one of the worst in the world I give you that but despite that they are still a state actors and somewhat stronger then Hez but I could see hez creating problems for them mainly due to low moral in the Lebanese ranks and most of their armed forces are busy trying to leave the country due poverty and stuff like that. Egypt has signed a security pact with them paying their armed forces salary and what not hence I could envision Hez being able to hold off the Lebanese army while taking massive loses but won't be able to be defeated by the Lebanese army who will gain the upper hand without being able to gain full victory themselves either.

@SalarHaqq

I am not whomever you assume I am. Just because you meet people with different takes doesn't mean all are the same. Should I label everyone in this thread who share same opinion as one person like you and the brother you replied to.. Ofcourse not
 
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This is by far some boneheaded analysis. Almost looks like a US Republican Senator editorial article in the Jerusalem Post.

Jordan invading Syria? Are you even paying attention what’s happening in Jordan? The king is barely holding on to power, his parliament is against him. You think he will join a “buffer zone” operation that benefits mostly Israel?

Lebanese military clearing South Lebanon of HZ? Is this a joke? Hezbollah could decimate the Lebanese “army” without lifting a finger.

You been watching too much European propaganda over in Deutschland

User's likely not in Germany... Pay attention to certain give-aways, such as frequent use of laughter reaction as well as trademark narratives such as that Syria is a failed and divided state where Iran has supposedly been sidelined, that Iran in fact has no influence anywhere, or that even Bahrein or Jordan could take Tehran in a matter of minutes, that the reason they haven't is because they simply don't care about Iran etc. Same routine, and always present on the Iranian Chill Thread (in this case, just a couple of minutes after they set up the account).

Sounds familiar? Well, welcome yet another user account by Titanium100. I've counted five so far: the previously mentioned followed by Muhammad bin Tughlaq, Battlion25, Qutbuddin Aybak, and now Knockingdoors (spellings?). These redundant accounts at times would even conduct dialogues with each other. And a fresh account will often be opened when one or several of the previous ones come to be banned, as is currently the case with the Battlion25 and Qutbuddin Aybak handles if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Fish market in the Caspian city of "rasht" ..busy place in Noruze holidays
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What a strange world we live in today...

Wahhabis and Zionists openly in love with one another.

These Scum will do anything to cling onto illegitimate power.
Yes,its sort of the national equivalent of notorious serial killers like Dennis Nilson and Jeffery Dahmer deciding to begin a relationship and move in together.
Superficially hilarious [in the most black humor kind of way],yet in reality its actually both quite sickening and deeply shameful.
Still we can all use a good laugh in these troubled times.🤣
 
It seems almost certain that Azerbaijan is going to use the Ukraine crisis to launch another attack on Armenia.

What’s funny is the Jewish Nazi in Ukraine is actively cheering on a country to invade the territorial integrity of another country while at the same time crying that a country (Russia) is invading his territorial integrity.

These Zionist Jewish are beyond stupid in some areas (cunning in others).

Yes,its sort of the national equivalent of notorious serial killers like Dennis Nilson and Jeffery Dahmer deciding to begin a relationship and move in together.
Superficially hilarious [in the most black humor kind of way],yet in reality its actually both quite sickening and deeply shameful.
Still we can all use a good laugh in these troubled times.🤣

The Book 1984 rings true here

“What do you mean? We have always been friends with the Arabs, we are cousins” - Jews

“I always was fond of Israel and they are my brother” - The Arabs


All it tells you is illegitimate powers will make deals with Lucifer himself if it would keep them power

“God? What do you mean? We always worshipped the devil and accept him in our hearts” - Jews and Arabs in the future probably
 
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Quite the ad hominems dished out by way of an introduction. Oh well, I'll just concentrate on whatever content will actually be addressing my points, especially since comparing what I wrote to "I"SIS-like discourse is far from warranting a reply.



I fail to see any connection between my comments and the belief that every Jewish Iranian is necessarily allied with or sympathetic towards the zionists - some are (especially among expatriates), make no mistake about it, but not all of course, and I've myself observed this often enough here. So the contention isn't justified.



Zionists are bound to care about what's going on in Ukraine if alone for the facts that:

1) Ukraine proportionally has a large number of Jewish oligarchs susceptible to be recruited by the zionists or to support zionism. Note: I said susceptible, not guaranteed to. But still, it offers considerable windfall for Tel Aviv to exploit, and the Isra"el"i regime is definitely not known for passing on such opportunities.

2) Tel Aviv, while having significant ties with Moscow, is not happy at all about Russian help for the government of President Assad against terrorist forces, at least so long as President Assad refuses to abandon his Iranian(-led) allies and evict them from his country. There's no doubt about this. It follows that the zionists will use any adapted, indirect means at their disposal to try and pressure Russia into revising its stance on Syria and on Iran to the detriment of the Resistance. And Ukraine happens to be a perfect type of staging ground for such a stratagem.

That Isra"el" rejected Ukrainian demands for weapons doesn't mean they're indifferent to the events or uninterested in using the Ukrainian crisis to advance their interests. Just that they're involved in an elaborate and carefully calibrated game. Tel Aviv isn't going to support Kiev all too directly, because this would cause a strong reaction from Russia and undermine the zionist strategy, which consists in trying to push Moscow, without antagonizing it frontally, to completely part ways with the Resistance. Else, zionists would risk jeopardizing their relations with Russia, and they rightfully don't consider this would be in their interest, since they are deriving multiple benefits from their ties with Russia.

Moreover, Putin defined Isra"el"i arms sales to Ukraine as a red line in 2015 already. See:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-warns-israel-not-to-sell-arms-to-ukraine/

Tel Aviv wouldn't want the Russians to counter by operating further rapprochement with to the Resistance, which is probably what Moscow would do if Isra"el" was to supply weaponry to Kiev.



And how does it invalidate my arguments? I agree, Russia is acting in its own interests. And, these happen to align with the interests of Iran and the Resistance in Syria, to such an extent that the zionists are seriously irked by it.

Which is precisely why they're trying to raise the costs of this sort of a policy for Moscow and convince the Russians to review their position in the Levant. And they're going about it indirectly, pitting their NATO and Ukrainian assets against Russia until Moscow gives in, or so they hope.



In Syria, both Russia and Iran need each other for the time being. Furthermore, Russia's not considered an enemy by Iran (although it's not a full fledged strategic ally either), but NATO does fall into the hostile category, so Iran has no immediate reason to pick sides with Kiev and its western patrons in the ongoing conflict. This is especially true if we view everything through the lens of national interests like you suggest we should.



You see, claims like these are massively propagated by the west and the zionists with the aim of obfuscating the rock solid alliance and close brotherly relationship thay exists between Syria and Iran. It's simple though, if the Russians thought they could safeguard their local interests without Iran, then what you're stating would have have taken place years ago already.

How often have mainstream media outlets tried to suggest Putin "is just about to ditch Iran" in Syria? Correct, countless times. It all proved to be nothing more than psy-ops. Sure, this reflects the actual goal pursued by the west and the zionists, hence the psy-ops. However, three key factors aren't lost on Moscow:

1) No matter how the number of SAA units Russia will train, no matter how many high-ranking protégés it can muster within the Syrian establishment, the Syrian state has been weakened and destructured to such an extent during the war that these Russian resources won't represent a viable substitute the Iranian role on the ground, especially when considering the relative strength of the enemy. And this is bound to remain so for the foreseeable future. So Russia will not be able to protect her interests against NATO- and zionist-backed - and thus extremely resourceful terrorists without substantial Iranian input.

2) Now more than ever, Moscow has understood perfectly well that western regimes cannot be trusted, that they've taken aim at Russia's very existence as a unified and capable nation-state, and that their assurances and promises aren't worth a penny. This applies to the west's and Isra"el"'s repeated proposals to Moscow, asking the Russians to evict Iran from Syria in exchange for guarantees that Russian interests will then be taken into account, and that anti-Russian, extremist terrorists won't be unleashed on Syria a second time around.

3) Russia also knows that Iran will fight with everything in her power to keep intact the geographical integrity of the Resistance Axis including Syria. In other terms, Moscow knows it will have to make an enemy of the Iranians and confront the Resistance kinetically, not just in Syria but across the region, if it ever tries to oust them by force. As if it didn't have enough on its hand with NATO already.



They don't dare to attack Iran either. In fact, they will wage direct full-scale war exclusively on battered, mostly disarmed nations unable to defend themselves, or on small ones deprived of the necessary critical mass and clout to put up a meaningful fight: Serbia-Montenegro / Yugoslavia in 2000, Iraq in 2003, Libya in 2011, etc.

When facing adversaries more formidable than that, they will resort to a host of hybrid instruments in an attempt to defeat and in effect destroy and dismantle them irreversibly - from sanctions to armed proxies, psy-ops, relentless propaganda, domestic fifth columns and "colored revolution" attempts, intelligence war and sabotage, you name it. They will play the long game as they say.

If you really doubt the west's hostile intentions towards Russia, which became evident even during the early post-Soviet period when NATO could not invoke the specter of supposed Russian expansionism as a pretext because Russia was at its most fragile and vulnerable point in modern history, then frankly any conclusion drawn will be biased.

Putin cannot merely imitate China, Russia isn't as heavyweight as China and is thus obliged to define more restrictive red lines. By the quoted logic, Iran shouldn't have intervened in Syria and Iraq either. However, such a decision would have represented a fatal mistake. You mustn't let the enemy encroach unhindered around your borders and alter the status quo in such a way as to put in charge your most rabid, aggressive enemies in every one of your neighboring states. At one point you'll have to cut the enemy's hands off, preferably when you have international law on your side too (as was the case of Iran and allies in Syria but, it is true, not of Russia this time around).



My friend, I'm well aware of the history of the Iran-Iran war. And I can tell you that most of the content on that Wikipedia page is baseless and a revision of history. They're mentioning weapons Iran is not known for ever operating nor maintaining in its inventory.

I previously described what actually happened. And why we can't compare Iran during the Sacred Defence to present day Ukraine. To suggest otherwise would leave out too many key aspects pertaining to the two respective contexts. To break it down anew:

1) Iran didn't deal with Isra"el", but with the Americans. The latter transferred American-made but Isra"el"i-owned weapons to Iran because they had to cover their tracks, since the whole undertaking was kept hidden from Congress (an illegal action).

2) The US wasn't ready nor willing to supply any weapons to Iran. Iran coerced them into this by escalating in Lebanon, with pro-Iranian forces striking US Marine barracks, eliminating high ranking CIA officers and abducting scores of western journalists and other citizens, who might or might not have been spies too. Did Ukraine first have to hit NATO hard in order to convince them to supply a handful of overpriced weapons, and clandestinely at that?

3) Iran knew it was dealing with enemies, but was facing a dilemma due to the fact that its armed forces were inherited from an ousted, western-equipped former regime, and Iran didn't have the means yet to develop an indigenous defence industry. Otherwise no arms transfers would have taken place. Is Ukraine facing a similar dilemma?

4) Iran was fighting the west and the zionists even during and right after the Iran-Contra affair, in a variety of theaters, either directly or indirectly. Iran was and is a fully independent nation standing up to and challenging the world's foremost imperial power. Does this apply to the Ukrainian client state as well?

5) Iran could not have averted the war, since it had not provoked Iraq. Saddam was simply a short sighted, gullible and trigger happy leader. Ukraine however provoked Moscow for seven full years before Russia finally declared war on them. Kiev wouldn't have lost its identity, nor its wealth, nor its security, nor its sovereignty and independence if it chose to remain neutral between NATO and Russia. Yet the Ukrainians decided otherwise.

6) The weapons Iran obtained were few and far between. And Iran was no longer facing an existential threat at that moment in time (1986), in fact the bulk of the fighting was taking place on Iraqi soil. So these arms wasn't actually decisive for Iran's survival. Also, those in the Iranian establishment who pleaded for and conducted this marginal arms deal with the US were heavily criticized by the rest of the establishment. To this day they're considered practically as traitors by many inside the system.

7) Whatever scarce and inconsequential amounts of weapons it is that Iran received from the west, the Iraqis were supplied incomparably larger quantities from the same west. Does this apply to Russia vis a vis the Ukraine as well?

This shows that the two cases are distinct. I shared what I've learnt over the years in a sincere manner, now of course you're free to take it or to leave it, but then you'd be relying on distortions devised by sources which in fact are not exactly friends of Iran, if they aren't outright enemies that is.



I mean no offense, but most of these videos weren't very serious, were they? If you consider someone who fires tear gas on protesters in a situation of war as the very ultimate incarnation of evil, then what this will tend to show, is that I'm hardly the one blinded by propaganda from either side.

As for the clip with the civilian car, remember the footage which emerged at the beginning of this war, where an APC overran a civilian automobile driven by a female Ukrainian? Of course the incident was immediately blamed on Russia by western online propagandists, before it turned out that it was actually a Ukrainian military vehicle, that the driver of the car luckily wasn't killed, and that the whole episode was caused by a mistake on the part of the APC crew... So obviously, there are good reasons not to take every claim from pro-Ukrainian users that one can find on the internet at face value, but to wait until there's solid confirmation, if at all.



I don't see how siding with the NATO clients in Kiev would be the sounder approach from the perspective of the Resistance. I can understand if a friend of the Resistance will prefer to adopt a neutral stance on this war and be critical of both sides, for their own reasons, I can even understand if they align on the Ukrainian regime again for their own subjective reasons, but to opine that anyone who doesn't is not staying true to the ideological principles of the Resistance as well as to Iran's interests, in my eyes would imply that one has to be mistaken at a certain point in one's analysis.

Just for your information, the only camp in Iran whose members or backers are seen defending the Ukrainian regime is the liberal camp (reformists, moderates), i.e. the western-apologetic one which hardly believes in anti-imperial Resistance anymore. Which is opposed to Iran's intervention in Syria, which has a problem with Iran arming the Palestinians and Hezbollah. The revolutionaries however are not supporting Kiev, most tend to be neutral (granted, more than me probably), while some may have a preference for Russia.
More than 90% of your writing is just your opinion that is forced and sounds messy. You don't seem honest with yourself. You try to avoid facts with your writings that even contradict each other. Your thinking is like ISIS which has been brainwashed, they even bombed mosques, killing fellow Muslims without feeling guilty or pity (Same as you and some other members who don't care about the Ukrainian people who were massacred by your lord Putin).

I want to ask you a question (and maybe other members too), I want you to answer it honestly and simply.

- Are you neutral on the Ukraine vs Russia war?

- Are you Khomeinism or Putinism?

- Are you insulting Rahbar's neutrality towards the Ukrainian-Russian war?

- Do you think you are fair or smart by only seeing or believing Russian/Putin propaganda news and not looking at the Ukrainian side of the news?

- What is your religion? If you are Muslim, did Prophet Muhammad SAW ever order to kill civilians, women, children and those of different religions?

- Which country were you born in? If your independent country chooses to join NATO and then Russia attacks your country, massacres your people, bombs your children, wife, parents, seizes your territory and then your country becomes a puppet of Russia/Putin, would you still 'don't care' and will allow it?
 
More than 90% of your writing is just your opinion that is forced and sounds messy.

Well, it may sound "messy" to you, but I've yet to see you make a decisive counter-point.

You don't seem honest with yourself.

Just a subjective impression stemming from subjective perception of Russian policy.

You try to avoid facts with your writings that even contradict each other.

And yet, what I did was to address your comments paragraph for paragraph, in addition to actually setting some historic facts on the Iran-Iraq war straight which you appeared to have been misinformed on by western sources. As for self-contradiction, I will disagree.

Your thinking is like ISIS which has been brainwashed, they even bombed mosques, killing fellow Muslims without feeling guilty or pity (Same as you and some other members who don't care about the Ukrainian people who were massacred by your lord Putin).

I can't take this kind of ad hominem input very seriously in this discussion. Issuing outlandish accusations with no connection to what I actually wrote, likening proper fact-based analysis with "I"SIS behaviour... Implicitly equating Russia with Daesh. Come on please, in order to convince you'll need better arguments than that.

I want to ask you a question (and maybe other members too), I want you to answer it honestly and simply.

- Are you neutral on the Ukraine vs Russia war?

No. How about you?

- Are you Khomeinism or Putinism?

- Are you insulting Rahbar's neutrality towards the Ukrainian-Russian war?

May I remind you that you truncated Rahbar's quote to remove the part where he blasted the US as the actual source behind the conflict. And while he advocated peace, he did not call out Russia but the American regime as the responsible party. So I'd like to know what's insulting about debunking US-orchestrated propaganda relative to this war. Following the logic of Rahbar's words, doing so should contribute to neutralizing the very source of tensions in Ukraine, should it not?

And I must also remind you once again that those in Iran who are siding with Ukraine, are the same reformists who constitute the most skeptical and critical elements towards Rahbar. This right here is a fact, but sadly you seem not to be acknowledging it, nor to be explaining how it fits with your position.

- Do you think you are fair or smart by only seeing or believing Russian/Putin propaganda news and not looking at the Ukrainian side of the news?

Those videos you shared, and which I commented one by one, were from the pro-Ukrainian side. And for God's sake, they included scenes of tear gas or some other non-lethal rounds being fired towards protesters, and this being then disingenuously portrayed as some sort of a terrible crime! I mean, had you carefully watched these particular ones before sharing them?

Yes, two of them were showing real civilian casualties, and my first reaction was to deplore the tragedy. However, as I explained you need more than just pictures of killed civilians to prove there's been a war crime. Otherwise, you might as well endorse terrorist propaganda during the Syrian war, where plenty of such tragic cases were shown and presented as proof that the Syrian government and its allies have a policy of systematically and deliberately wiping out civilian populations, when in fact, these civilians could as well have fallen simply because they had the bad luck of being located too close to terrorist elements when a strike took place whose intention it was to hit terrorists, not civilians.

- What is your religion? If you are Muslim, did Prophet Muhammad SAW ever order to kill civilians, women, children and those of different religions?

Please go ahead and show us the evidence that these were the actual targets of Russian strikes. You understand that civilians were killed in the Iran-Iraq war on both sides, during the Syrian was as well, and so on. Because zero civilian casualties unfortunately is practically impossible to achieve in a conflict of this scale, especially in urban settings.

What makes you a criminal is not just the civilian losses per se, you become a criminal if you are targeting civilians directly, with the aim of killing them, or if you are completely negligent and don't care about their presence in the vicinity of military targets you hit. So since you are of the belief Russia killed them on purpose and that it was not a case of undesired collateral damage, please share with us your evidence to this effect. I would genuinely like to see it.

- Which country were you born in? If your independent country chooses to join NATO and then Russia attacks your country, massacres your people, bombs your children, wife, parents, seizes your territory and then your country becomes a puppet of Russia/Putin, would you still 'don't care' and will allow it?

Kindly don't alter my words. Nowhere did I claim I don't care, I asked for undeniable evidence of large scale massacres of civilians at the hands of Russian armed forces, because I have not seen such, even when consulting Ukrainian sources. What I have seen though, are several fraudulent allegations that were definitely shown to be wrong - like that Ukrainian APC crushing a car, with the APC being falsely passed off as Russian. So I'm waiting for and am open to any solid evidence. Why should I not be entitled to skepticism so long as there's no definitive evidence, but mostly hearsay and claims by NATO and their supporters, which in the past were proven to be baseless in so many cases?

This aside, if my independent country chose to join NATO or anything along those lines, it would mean that it sold out its independence, and I would staunchly oppose such a move. Especially knowing NATO's sinister designs for my country. If this led to war, then I'd not just denounce the aggressor, but I'd also be clear about the fact that a traitor sell out government in my own country unnecessarily brought this upon us. Thank God that's something the Islamic Republic will never do as long as liberals are kept away from key institutions such as Leadership, IRGC etc.

By the way, what's your stance on the mass killings of communists, socialists, purported communists and socialists as well as their sympathizers after the 1965 coup in Indonesia, where up to 1,5 millions civilians, including women, young girls and boys, elderly were massacred extra-judicially by the military, as well as by mobs which at times were deploying near "I"SIS-level violence, with American, European and even Isra"el"i help? Just curious to know.
 
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Every once in a while PDF reminds me of just how stupid some people can be.....

It's been a while since I've responded to another user like that lol. God I hated sectarian threads.
 

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