Iranian Chill Thread

[aryobarzan]

Iran already imports around 10 billion a year on food and medicines, not to mention other medical equipment. So technically it's not a problem to spend the money on such imports. P.s: Iran imports much less food and medicines per capita compared to other countries.

It is Ironic that both saddam and mullahs ended up in the same place.." food/ medicine for oil program " administered by the " great satan" ..lol

That program did not end well for saddam..something mullahs should be mindful about..

 

[SalarHaqq]

You are credulous and we've seen it all over your past posts where you were even believing a blatant hasbara about an Iranian terrorist in Cyprus

...and content with rehashing unsubstantiated allegations by a foreign-based, Persian language anti-Shia sectarianist satellite broadcaster (Kalame).

I'd be extremely surprised if the user's sudden reappearance here under a new handle weren't agenda-driven.

This aside, can you at least show official sources about this "oil for food" deal that has been accepted by Iran?

Interestingly, most of the frozen funds in question were actually blocked under Rohani, whose defeatist policy blatantly failed to have sanctions lifted and was solely geared to make Iran give up her missiles and regional allies further down the road (hence the primitive anti-Arab incitement you're coming across here - goal is to make Iran cease any and all Resistance against the zionist regime).

As for the current administration, Iran's exports stand at over 100 billion USD a year. Do the math as to the considerable inward flow of hard currency as we speak.

It looks that words coming from whites mouths are more trustable even if they are backed by nothing to some of you, but words coming even from Iranians have less trust value, this is starting to get sad and more sad over time. You are one of the first to denounce propaganda, but also here you are the first to buy it for free without any counterpart or remorse

Generally speaking, since when will exiled oppositionists and like-minded individuals denounce the propaganda of hostile outside powers? They revel in it.

Also I wouldn't waste my time with promoters of the said propaganda, who happen to contradict themselves at every turn and are having a hard time dissimulating their motives beneath a cloak of uber-patriotism. Subjects who openly support Rohani, the globalist reformists and the JCPOA, but in the same breath will happily label as treason or full-blown capitulation any partial and temporary understanding reached by the present administration, irregardless of how far removed it actually is in scope from the comprehensive nature of the JCPOA, and how limited the concessions it would be calling for on Iran's part as compared to the JCPOA. Can't make this up.

These individuals are offering some entertainment value and comical relief in a near inactive forum, and not much else. My advice: sit back and enjoy the frustration betrayed by every one of their words, incapable as the barandaz are and will be to threaten the Islamic Revolution, no matter the zio-American empire's investment to that effect.

For those who prefer a fact-based analysis from a patriotic yet thoughtful angle rather than the usual boring demagoguery generated by the anti-IR crowd, you may listen to the following presentations:

 

[tsunset]

You guys always play the man not the ball. I don't know what you're talking about but I don't care either, it's just one of your usual dirty tactics to silence critics

If you expect the IRI to admit to that then you have bigger problems and clearly know nothing about the IRI

Their official spin revolves around (1) ignoring the restrictions on how these unfrozen funds can be used (pretending they don't exist - this is the official line in state media) or (2) lying and saying there are no restrictions (see Marandi and CBI governor)

Iranian officials are notorious liars with zero accountability, yes, if you don't want to accept this it's not our problem

Iran's enemies also spread vicious lies to further their anti-Iran agenda, but your days of obfuscating the IRI's behaviour by invoking the behaviour of certain elements in the West are coming to an end

If you think the IAEA reports are full of lies then you should ask the IRI officials why they never said that themselves

Notwithstanding the obvious issues of principle of letting another state (USA) tell Iran how it can use its own funds (which apparently you guys don't care about), if this is the case then the IRI should admit it, instead of lying to the people that there are no such restrictions

I am still awaiting an answer to my question

Meanwhile there is nothing on every Iranian media, the US even denied that any talks are taking place

The funny thing is that even if this is true, you will always do the same thing

Iran accepts this: "Look Iran is weak accepting 6bn worth of shirts and chicken"
Iran continues what it has started: "Look we are sanctioned Iran can't do nothing rial is going bankrupt"

Iran's enemies also spread vicious lies to further their anti-Iran agenda, but your days of obfuscating the IRI's behaviour by invoking the behaviour of certain elements in the West are coming to an end

This IS a vicious lie meant to destabilize politics and people over the current administration, and you are buying it, the proof is your post contents

This isn't the first time at all people are doing exactly what Iran ennemies want, months ago with the Talibans, people were praying that iran send some missile at them, something that the US exactly wants, these are all emotional short term answers, which faded out in a week after

IAEA is a political entity at this point since decades if you didn't know it. Why IAEA is talking with Israel about what they think of Iran when they have strictly nothing to do with the subject and are in contravention on every single law about nuclear programs on earth? Why are they obsessed since a decade with traces of uranium dating from 2000s?

Their official spin revolves around (1) ignoring the restrictions on how these unfrozen funds can be used (pretending they don't exist - this is the official line in state media) or (2) lying and saying there are no restrictions (see Marandi and CBI governor)

The problem is that what you said is based on something that doesn't exist, speculations of some twitter account and other murky people "because Iran isn't doing any space launch so it should be 100% true", you are doing an analysis over a fairy tale story

Notwithstanding the obvious issues of principle of letting another state (USA) tell Iran how it can use its own funds (which apparently you guys don't care about), if this is the case then the IRI should admit it, instead of lying to the people that there are no such restrictions

Same as above, you are doing an analysis over an anonymous source made story

 

[tsunset]

Two Martyred in Terrorist Attack at Iran’s Shah Cheragh Shrine​

Two Martyred in Terrorist Attack at Iran’s Shah Cheragh Shrine - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Two servants of the Shah Cheragh holy shrine in Shiraz, south of Iran, were martyred in a terrorist attack at the shrine on Sunday evening.

www.tasnimnews.com

 

[SalarHaqq]

The funny thing is that even if this is true, you will always do the same thing

Iran accepts this: "Look Iran is weak accepting 6bn worth of shirts and chicken"
Iran continues what it has started: "Look we are sanctioned Iran can't do nothing rial is going bankrupt"

This IS a vicious lie meant to destabilize politics and people over the current administration, and you are buying it, the proof is your post contents

This isn't the first time at all people are doing exactly what Iran ennemies want, months ago with the Talibans, people were praying that iran send some missile at them, something that the US exactly wants, these are all emotional short term answers, which faded out in a week after

Nicely put!

I vividly remember the days of the Syrian war. Similar types of discussions, same frustrated folk, same negativity whipped up by enemy propaganda and in certain cases trained assets, probably. Who were deliberately trying to stoke sectarianist animosity against our Sunni Moslem brothers - exactly what the enemy had hoped in vain that Iranians would fall for, to no avail. While others were taking aim at and blaming high ranking Iranian decision makers for supposedly not conducting the war effort in an efficient enough manner. Well, how did it conclude? Who came out on top? Who was vindicated, the catastrophists or the level headed ones?

With these people it can get truly confusing at times. You're often left asking yourself, can a person be this gullible? Can they really fail to discern an obvious pattern after so many years? How's it possible to fall for the same psy-ops and hasbara routines again and again and again?

So that you're puzzled as to whether they're this naive and easy to manipulate, or whether you're dealing with propagandists fully aware of what they're doing.

Well, I'll admit that the question doesn't arise with one individual seemingly obsessed with race and ethnicity - that person's obviously over-emotive and a tad confused, in addition to lacking the curiosity to conduct proper independent research it would seem. Or the other, "no future" guy posting from Iran who suggests there's a conspiracy going on by "mullahs" to deliberately "destroy" Iran... all is bleak, all is gloomy - one of my all time favorites as well .

 

[jauk]

Unfortunately, it has been reported in the Japanese media that this unreasonable agreement was also confirmed by Iranian government officials.
In addition, according to the White House announcement, all use of the frozen funds will be under the strict supervision of the U.S. government and will not be freely available to Iran.
All uses and payees must be reported to the U.S. government for approval, and only food and medicine will be allowed.
Specifically, the $7 billion stolen from South Korea will be transferred to a Swiss bank and placed under the control of the Qatari government.
The U.S. will be notified of all payments.
This is hardly the treatment of an independent country, and it seems that President Raisi is no different from Rouhani after all.

‘Japanese media’? Manga or anime or …? Please be specific how ‘Japanese media’ in any shape or form can be a credible source.

 

[SalarHaqq]

‘Japanese media’? Manga or anime or …?

...kaijū eiga!

In latest news, a photograph was leaked of the journalist who broke the story (at the top section of the picture):

Notice the couple at the bottom right, the female freshly emancipated from "forced hejab". Look how fearful they are of invading USA troops in the background. As prophesized by "Glablo".

 

[TheImmortal]

Notwithstanding the obvious issues of principle of letting another state (USA) tell Iran how it can use its own funds (which apparently you guys don't care about), if this is the case then the IRI should admit it, instead of lying to the people that there are no such restrictions

You are using that state’s currency (dollars) and/or it’s close Allies (euros). So what do you expect?

Maybe you should have selected another currency instead that of the Great Satan if you wished to circumvent sanctions. What about Russian Ruble? Or Chinese Yuan? Our supposed “strategic allies”.

Even now for this money to move has to move between several foreign banks without entering into US global financial system. Tiresome and complex.

 

[tsunset]

‘Japanese media’? Manga or anime or …? Please be specific how ‘Japanese media’ in any shape or form can be a credible source.

They are very surely just relaying the WSJ sourceless piece of toilet paper

 

[SalarHaqq]

They are very surely just relaying the WSJ sourceless piece of toilet paper

Rather, they're relaying USA think tank scholar Barbara Slavin's citation of Ali Vaez, Iran Project director of the Crisis Group (ICG), another NGO funded by various NATO regimes and globalist oligarchs such as Soros through his Open Society Foundation, or the Rockefellers via the Rockefellers Brothers Fund.

The ICG, by the way, had authored the entire text of the JCPOA even before negotiations were initiated - their draft was only minimally altered.

Governments & Multilaterals | Crisis Group

www.crisisgroup.org

https://www.crisisgroup.org/support-us/foundations

So, no Iran-based source whatsoever.

And here's how Professor Dr. Seyyed Mohammad Marandi, who is or was in charge of the Iranian nuclear negotiation team's PR with foreign media, reacted to those claims.

 

[tsunset]

Rather, they're relaying USA think tank scholar Barbara Slavin's citation of Ali Vaez, Iran Project director of the Crisis Group (ICG), another NGO funded by various NATO regimes and globalist oligarchs such as Soros through his Open Society Foundation, or the Rockefellers via the Rockefellers Brothers Fund.

The ICG, by the way, had authored the entire text of the JCPOA even before negotiation were initiated - their draft was only minimally altered.

Governments & Multilaterals | Crisis Group

www.crisisgroup.org

https://www.crisisgroup.org/support-us/foundations

So, no Iran-based source whatsoever.

And here's how Professor Dr. Seyyed Mohammad Marandi, who is or was in charge of the Iranian nuclear negotiation team's PR with foreign media, reacted to those claims.

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The Barbara message nearly confirms it, notice the mental manipulation based message, citing an unknown Qatar bank and as always with them, no source at all from Qatar/Iran/US but propaganda disguised under "anonymous sources"

The message confirms exactly the goal of this, discrediting the current administration and sow discord between them and people while also adding the upteenth "Iran bowing down getting scammed by the US" schrodinger narrative that is attached to "Iran dangerous nuke in two weeks"

What is amazing is how some are buying US anonymous source based medias, the exact same ones, their method is actually more dangerous as they hide it behind anonymous sources and make everything to confuse people. This is Schrodinger Iran propaganda method, one day Iran is bowing down and its military is crap, another day Iran is nearly close to make a nuke and is a threat to the earth with its missiles.

And no need to take in account Marandi claims as they are not sourced but at least is close to the government, neither Iran or US said a word about it beside US denying talks with Iran

 

[glablo]

Unfortunately, the content of this report is consistent and reliable from multiple sources in various countries.
Iran's IRNA and other sources report similar content.
The only difference is one point regarding Iranian funds transferred to a Qatari government account in a Swiss bank, and whether the use of the funds is restricted.
The U.S. government has declared at a press conference that the funds will be kept under strict surveillance.
Swiss Bank, which is under strong U.S. influence, and the Qatari account.
It is hard to believe that Iran will be able to freely use these accounts, and the statement can only be seen as an attempt to muffle criticism from the public.
Iran's return for its acquiescence will no doubt come in the form of tougher sanctions and airstrikes in the future.

 

[tsunset]

Unfortunately, the content of this report is consistent and reliable from multiple sources in various countries.
Iran's IRNA and other sources report similar content.
The only difference is one point regarding Iranian funds transferred to a Qatari government account in a Swiss bank, and whether the use of the funds is restricted.
The U.S. government has declared at a press conference that the funds will be kept under strict surveillance.
Swiss Bank, which is under strong U.S. influence, and the Qatari account.
It is hard to believe that Iran will be able to freely use these accounts, and the statement can only be seen as an attempt to muffle criticism from the public.
Iran's return for its acquiescence will no doubt come in the form of tougher sanctions and airstrikes in the future.

IRNA English

IRNA English

en.irna.ir

https://www.irna.ir/

Feel free to show us IRNA reporting it, all is available here

Iran's return for its acquiescence will no doubt come in the form of tougher sanctions and airstrikes barking in the future.

You are the same user that claimed Iran underground missile bases would be easily destroyed by a GBU-28 Israeli bomb

Either you are doing it on purpose or not, your quotes have the exact same typo of some comments on neocons/zionist blogs

 

[SalarHaqq]

IRNA English

IRNA English

en.irna.ir

https://www.irna.ir/

Feel free to show us IRNA reporting it, all is available here


You are the same user that claimed Iran underground missile bases would be easily destroyed by a GBU-28 Israeli bomb

Either you are doing it on purpose or not, your quotes have the exact same typo of some comments on neocons/zionist blogs

Indeed. What to expect from a user who months ago claimed major American military build up was supposedly underway in the Persian Gulf, aimed at full scale war with Iran?

Of course no source nor evidence was provided for the absurd allegation. Truth is that USA troop numbers in the vicinity have generally been declining over the years.

User's now reiterating these funny statements after a hiatus. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say it's because they noticed how agitation around the recent fake news about the prisoner exchange and release of Iranian funds has gained a bit of traction among the local anti-IR crowd, which has become overly excited these days. So they sensed an opportunity to throw this line into the mix again.

In the meantime, user appears to have adapted their discourse after they discovered that the most appealing propaganda talking point to the audience in here tends to be Russophobia / Sinophobia, seeing how even members who are not exactly oppositionists seem to be somewhat more susceptible to that one. So suddenly the subject began joining the chorus on "unreliable, short sighted, incompetent Russia / China, see how they fail to treat Iran as an ally" etc.

All things considered I'd put the probability of the user being a false-fagger at around 90%.

By the way, I would recommend you include this caricatural Russophobia and Sinophobia among the list of items to debunk from time to time. A few individuals have "specialized" in it seeing how the bulk of Iranian forumers may be slightly more responsive to this rather than to the classical oppositionist anti-IR demagogy (though the latter has its own share of proponents).

 

[TheImmortal]

There is no such thing as unrestricted access to US dollars. Iran is under sanctions which means if its external US dollars violate sanctions they can be frozen. All major movement of dollars get reported to the Treasury department. This is true of all US dollars not just South Korean released ones. Plus Iranian banks are cut off from SWIFT so moving the money around is still hard. It’s not like magically they can transfer this and buy planes from Boeing.

The real question is can Iran move the dollars back to its own soil —if yes then it can then be used by its sanctions busting schemes to procure non emergency supplies once back in an Iranian bank/central bank. Which is likely what officials mean by “unrestricted access” —ie the money can come back to Iran and then be used in black market.

If it’s stuck in Switzerland bank and requires US treasury approval for every transfer out and the money cannot be transferred back to Iran, then it still really doesn’t matter since Iran spends $billions importing food/medicine/equipment so it would just earmark that for that purpose and use other funds in its current possession for black market/sanctions busting purposes.

It’s literally basic accounting. In the end it really doesn’t matter if it’s restricted or not.