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I've counted and saw only 2 women wearing the veil in this one

What's the point of mandatory hijab if it's not enforced? Why not announcing Hijab isn't mandatory anymore and make a big PR stunt it if they've given up on enforcement?

Complete stupid law that isn't even enforced and that no one respects

Also does wearing a cap counts as respecting the law?
 
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Baku arrested 6 men and declared they were "recruited by Iranian secret services to destabilise" Baku. Baku summoned the Iranian ambassador and declared 4 Iranian diplomats persona non grata, expelling them from Baku.

For how long will the IRI tolerate this humiliation from the Baku regime?

Azerbaijan expels four Iranian diplomats as Baku-Tehran tensions escalate​

The move came hours after Baku said it arrested six men, who it said were linked to Iranian secret services and were allegedly plotting a coup in the Caspian nation.

Azerbaijan has announced the expulsion of four employees of Iran's embassy after months of diplomatic tensions between Baku and Tehran.

The foreign ministry in Baku said on Thursday it "summoned" Iran's ambassador and told him that "four employees of the Iranian embassy were declared persona non grata" with 48 hours to leave the country.

It said they were carrying out activities "incompatible with diplomatic status" but did not provide further details.

"During the meeting, strong dissatisfaction was expressed to the Iranian Ambassador due to the recent provocative actions demonstrated by his country," the ministry added.

Earlier in the day, Baku said it arrested six Azerbaijani nationals, who were "recruited by Iranian secret services to destabilise the situation in the country".

It announced the arrests in a joint statement by the interior ministry, state security service and prosecutor-general's office.

It accused them of being "engaged in a pro-Iranian propaganda of religious radicalism, fulfilling orders from abroad to undermine Azerbaijan's tradition of tolerance".

In January, Azerbaijan suspended the operation of its embassy in Iran, days after a gunman stormed the mission, killing one guard and wounding two others. Baku has claimed that Tehran's secret services were behind the attack.

Last year, the oil-rich country arrested five of its nationals for spying for Iran and 17 more men who Baku claimed belonged to an "illegal armed group set up by Iran".

Azerbaijan has criticised Iran over backing Armenia in Baku's decades-long conflict with Yerevan over the breakaway region of Karabakh.

 
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Baku arrested 15 men and declared they were paid by Iran to launch a coup in Baku. Baku summoned the Iranian ambassador and declared 4 Iranian diplomats persona non grata, expelling them from Baku.

For how long will the IRI tolerate this humiliation from the Baku regime?

It’ll all come to a head sooner rather than later if Azerbaijan’s belligerence continues unabated.

Increasing armed forces presence and military posturing to the North will help place pressure on Baku but Aliev is a two-bit dictator who only knows how to deal in near absolutes. I can’t say just how tact Iranian diplomacy can be when dealing with such an uncouth leader. Making it clear to Azerbaijan that Iran does indeed have redlines through an adequate intent of force is the best route Iran has currently available outside of diplomatic overtures.

Only just have relations with the main Persian Gulf Arab governments gotten better. It isn’t wise to stumble into a war with that small enclave wannabe statelet (something Israel wishes dearly) if it can be avoided altogether.
 
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It’ll all come to a head sooner rather than later if Azerbaijan’s belligerence continues unabated.

Increasing armed forces presence and military posturing to the North will help place pressure on Baku but Aliev is a two-bit dictator who only knows how to deal in near absolutes. I can’t say just how tact Iranian diplomacy can be when dealing with such an uncouth leader. Making it clear to Azerbaijan that Iran does indeed have redlines through an adequate intent of force is the best route Iran has currently available outside of diplomatic overtures.

Only just have relations with the main Persian Gulf Arab governments gotten better. It isn’t wise to stumble into a war with that small enclave wannabe statelet (something Israel wishes dearly) if it can be avoided altogether.
Accusing Iranian secret services of being behind a terrorist attack on their embassy in Tehran, accusing Iran of being behind assassinations in Baku, accusing Iran of supporting Armenia militarily, accusing Iranian secret services of hiring spies and agents inside Baku to destabilise Baku and promote "pro-Iranian propaganda of religious radicalism", expelling Iranian diplomats from Baku... Where does this IRI draw the line?
 
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I've counted and saw only 2 women wearing the veil in this one

What's the point of mandatory hijab if it's not enforced? Why not announcing Hijab isn't mandatory anymore and make a big PR stunt it if they've given up on enforcement?

Complete stupid law that isn't even enforced and that no one respects

Also does wearing a cap counts as respecting the law?

It's a bit more complicated than that.

The clip you shared was shot within the single most expensive neighborhood in all of Iran (Elahie, northern Tehran). Residents of these sort of areas represent the uppermost (1%) percent of the Iranian population in terms of wealth. As it appears, a majority of females among them won't observe Islamic hejab if given a choice. With financial affluence comes cultural westernization, adoption of globalized "lifestyles" and of secularist views. This can be considered a general rule in Iran, although there are of course various exceptions to it.

By contrast I'd invite you to watch the following scenes filmed on Enqelab Street in downtown Tehran, a middle class / lower middle class area.


Right away, you may observe the stark difference to the document you shared. I counted every female in this latter footage: about two thirds are wearing hejab.

And if you take a look at actual working class districts as well as the countryside, you'll notice that an estimated 85% or so will be observant of Islamic dress code rules.

Working class, rurals and (lower) middle class put together represent a wide majority of the Iranian population.

Several trustworthy surveys were conducted on the topic in Iran. They are mentioned at minutes 35 and 42, as well as one hour and five minutes into the below presentation:


This is a highly recommended watch for Persian-speakers.

What the quoted data reveals is that a staggering 83% of surveyed Iranian females declared they would keep following Islamic hejab even if the law was amended and they were legally authorized not to do so. 58% consider shari' hejab (i.e. chador) as a necessity, while 31% will rather opt for 'orfi hejab ("lighter" hejab e.g. colorful headscarf etc). Merely 14% indicated they would not choose any type of garment conforming to religious rulings.

The percentage of those agreeing that some sort of legal action (undefined, could be a mere fine, reminder of the law or more) must be taken vis à vis females who do not respect the hejab dress code stands at 47% (while it reached up to 53% a couple of years ago). A majority of respondents however are of the opinion that police patrols ought not be tasked with enforcing the dress code. 44% by contrast believe that females who fail in their religious duty with regard to the dress code shouldn't be facing any legal consequences. So most of those surveyed continue to be in agreement with the implementation of Islamic modesty laws on clothing, however the differential has shrunk as compared to earlier decades.

Now, exactly at a time when proponents and critics of the Islamic dress code are split into two groups of comparable proportions, the enemy started doubling down on its propaganda operation focused on the hejab debate (featuring militants such as Masih Alinejad and so on). Because the enemy is seeking to foment a clash between these social categories of more or less equivalent size, so as to provoke a maximum degree of instability and social disruption in Iran.

Food for thought.
 
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Accusing Iranian secret services of being behind a terrorist attack on their embassy in Tehran, accusing Iran of being behind assassinations in Baku, accusing Iran of supporting Armenia militarily, accusing Iranian secret services of hiring spies and agents inside Baku to destabilise Baku and promote "pro-Iranian propaganda of religious radicalism", expelling Iranian diplomats from Baku... Where does this IRI draw the line?

My understanding of the situation thus far is that Iran’s absolute redlines are territorial in nature. Anything to do with freedom of movement or access to Armenia will directly draw kinetic reactions from Tehran.

Iran should reciprocate though. Expelling Azerbaijani diplomats or summoning high-level ministers is clearly needed.
 
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My understanding of the situation thus far is that Iran’s absolute redlines are territorial in nature. Anything to do with freedom of movement or access to Armenia will directly draw kinetic reactions from Tehran.

Iran should reciprocate though. Expelling Azerbaijani diplomats or summoning high-level ministers is clearly needed.
Iran should not just tolerate these insults and accusations from the Baku regime, and we should not be merely reactive either. If the IRI had any balls and weren't corrupt to the core we would already be arming Armenia in a very serious way and regularly launching covert drone strikes against known Zionist bases in Baku. Instead, Mossad operates against us from inside the Baku regime with impunity.
 
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Iran should not just tolerate these insults and accusations from the Baku regime, and we should not be merely reactive either. Time to arm Armenia in a very serious way and to launch covert drone strikes against known Zionist bases in Baku.

Iran is more than willing to arm Armenia with the weapons needed to fend off Aliev’s madness: but Pashiniyan is the issue here.

He wants to posture Armenistan towards the West and appease them by keeping Iran at an arms-length distance. Getting any closer might spoil his ill thought out plans out of fear of Western sanctions.
 
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Does Iran have access to non-commercial satellite imagery to have some precise look at Azerbaijan Republic bases/sites? They launched a satellite using the Russian counterpart for the launching, could this satellite be used for spying/precise and real time imagery on what is happening in neighbor country/any country in the world?

If that's the case then Iran should have the informations to know when the red line is crossed, but i have doubts concerning this, maybe Iran could send a dummy recon drone inside Azerbaijan airspace for some minutes until it get shot down and say that it was a technical mistake?

I remind that they tried to send suicide and recon drones inside Iran during the 2020 war and in 2021 also, multiple times with multiple drones (all Israeli drones if i remember)
 
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Iran is more than willing to arm Armenia with the weapons needed to fend off Aliev’s madness: but Pashiniyan is the issue here.

He wants to posture Armenistan towards the West and appease them by keeping Iran at an arms-length distance. Getting any closer might spoil his ill thought out plans out of fear of Western sanctions.

Well until now Azarbaijan was on the right side of international law when it comes to the Karabakh issue, the one involving Armenia(ns) that is. Moreover Iran must perform the balancing act that consists in avoiding to alienate its religious support base across the Aras. Last but not least, it's the Pashinyan issue you rightly highlighted. In addition to what you mentioned, the current administration in Erevan has not only been leaning towards the west but has actually restored diplomatic ties with the zionist entity.

Now the regime in Baku issued accusations against Iran and summoned the Iranian envoy? It's not as if Iran has had second thoughts about doing so whenever necessary. That their accusations are bogus unlike Iran's is another matter.

Baku arrested some of its Iran-friendly citizens? Iran too has arrested Baku-apologetic pan-Turkist agitators.

As for zionist bases, there's no evidence to date that Tel Aviv is operating any on Azerbaijani soil. They might be, mind you. And spies they certainly have quite a few in there. But proper bases, who knows.

Also do not forget Baku has a mutual defence treaty with Turkey. If Iran unilaterally resorted to military means even against zionist installations (which will be covert and thus enjoy plausible deniability) it could draw in the Turks more immediately, citing Iranian "aggression". So other things being equal this would not really represent the smartest of decisions Iran could take.

To extrapolate by claiming that the reason Iran has not initiated military operations against Baku is because the Islamic Republic is supposedly 'fearful' or 'corrupt' would not only be far-fetched but disconnected from reality as well. Quick reminder: just some twelve months ago, the Islamic Republic pulverized a Mossad outpost in Arbil, northern Iraq. Could you name another government in the world brave enough to mount such an operation these days? I know none, personally.

When it comes to military action, Iran needs political capital as well as a casus belli that's easy to validate - i.e. not just a legitimate one, but also one that the zio-American enemy with its massive propaganda machinery will find difficult to obfuscate. An attempt by Baku's forces to occupy the Zangezur corridor and modify internationally recognized borders through force, would provide that justification. Iran's red line for military intervention is thus rational in addition to properly guaranteeing Iranian national interests.
 
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Iran's retaliation came by means of yesterday's rocket strike on northern Occupied Palestine.

A year ago by means of the most intensive escalation witnessed in the West Bank since Intifada al-Aqsa (2000-2005).
the only person who make such claim is you , even Palestinian say it was in response to the savagery happened in Quds

Most Iranian casualties due to zionist airstrikes in Syria were incurred under Rohani.

Terrorist attacks against Iranian nuclear scientists offer a similar picture: 6 out of 7 i.e. close to 86% of assassinations and assassination attempts against Iranian nuclear scientists took place while Rohani was in charge.

Zionists thought it's the most opportune moment to martyr Iranians, because they were hoping that the west's liberal fifth column represented by the Rohani cabinet could stand in the way of retaliation, seeing the extent to which the liberal administration was willing to negotiate away Iran's nuclear program, seeing its declared aim to disarm Iran and its readiness to bow to Obama's and Trump's demands with little to no resistance.

But truth is the administration does not decide about when and how to retaliate, it's the national security establishment that does. So the quoted rhetoric figure is baseless anyway.

Additionally, it's quite possible that some liberal(s) close to Rohani was (were) acting as a mole(s), covertly assisting the enemy in these attacks. It was the liberal Rohani and Khatami governments which were most adamant in their to acceptance of the Additional Protocol to the NPT as well as other arrangements authorizing more intrusive inspections. As we meanwhile know, IAEA inspections helped the zionists identify key Iranian scientists for assassination.

A member of Rohani's nuclear negotiating team, Dorri-Esfahani, turned out to be a spy who was supplying sensitive information to the enemy.
8 year vs 1.5 year and there was answer to those attacks
 
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the only person who make such claim is you , even Palestinian say it was in response to the savagery happened in Quds

You think they will be open about it? Would be silly from a PR point of view.

The latest zionist raid on Al-Aqsa provided an ideal opening to Iran, Iran seized it by coordinating with HezbOllah and Hamas. Of course Hamas happily accept the possibility offered to them to strike the zionist entity from Lebanese soil, for the first time ever in connection to the regular zionist violations of Masjid ul-Aqsa's sanctity.

I have an entire series of congruent facts on my side, which I enumerated before.

8 year vs 1.5 year and there was answer to those attacks

In only two years, four nuclear scientists assassinated and another wounded during Rohani's presidency.

As for the two retaliatory strikes Iran conducted towards Occupied Golan during that period, credit goes fully to the national security establishment and revolutionary core of the system, not to the western-appeasing, liberal Rohani team. The latter was busy trying to shut down Iran's capability to respond, while at least one spy in its ranks was supplying the enemy with sensitive information.

Also the martyrdom of two IRGC members last year was quicky followed by the biggest uprising in the West Bank since Intifada al-Aqsa. While the latest zionist attack was met by a salvo of a hundred rockets fired with HezbOllah's read Iran's go-ahead from Lebanese soil.
 
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As for zionist bases, there's no evidence to date that Tel Aviv is operating any on Azerbaijani soil. They might be, mind you. And spies they certainly have quite a few in there. But proper bases, who knows.
Publicly broadcasted by Israeli news from Azerbaijan:

"[across the] 700km [Iran-Azerbaijan] border we saw other Israeli technologies being used to surveil the Iranian side. For example, high-precision cameras and very sophisticated electronic sensors. According to several sources, these systems support operations conducted by special units and Israeli secret agents who infiltrate Iran to fight against its nuclear project in a delicate, surgical fight."


Israeli FM even boasted about their "united front against Iran" when he visited Azerbaijan less than a week ago.
 
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Publicly broadcasted by Israeli news from Azerbaijan:

"[across the] 700km border we saw other Israeli technologies being used to surveil the Iranian side. For example, high-precision cameras and very sophisticated electronic sensors. According to several sources, these systems support operations conducted by special units and Israeli secret agents who infiltrate Iran to fight against its nuclear project in a delicate, surgical fight."


Israeli FM even boasted about their "united front against Iran" when he visited Azerbaijan less than a week ago.

Where does it mention bases?
 
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