Iranian Chill Thread

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

One cannot pretend everything is okay after 6 months of war. Did anyone here realistically think Russia would still be fighting after 6 months? Or did everyone expect Russia to have taken over the whole country by now. @sha ah

I am in complete agreement but I have a hunch you're basing your analysis by comparing the american invasion of iraq and afghanistan. Bear in mind, those scenarios were completely different.

Iraq's armed forces had large sections that existed only on paper, the extant ones being largely staffed with people who hated saddam and deserted en masse when the americans came and the americans came with a coalition with the invasion's logistics taken care of by iraq's neighbour arab states.

Afghanistan was ruled by the Taliban and the country had no proper education since the soviets invaded, nor did it have a formal military structure. Besides, most of the country including a sizeable number of Pashtuns were in opposition and initially, they helped assist in overthrowing them. Once again, the logistics supply was taken care of by a neighbouring state - Pakistan.

But with that out of the way, russian tactics were awful. No use of an initial cruise missile bombing run, no coordinated overwhelming of Ukraine's air force, zero combined arms maneuvers...plus the overwhelming corruption where armoured vehicles lacked proper protection, the fuel was sold off, the tires some three decades old, expired rations etc. contributed for a 40 km convoy reaching the outskirts of Kiev and turning tail.

Amerikwa demonstrated how to do it right and blyatkovia showed us how to do it wrong.

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1559477519979581442

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1559546893608394757

 

[Hack-Hook]

Speaking of which, I see everyone repeating in unison that Russian planners were expecting a much speedier and less costly victory. That since military action is still ongoing, it proves Russia miscalculated and underestimated Ukrainian capabilities grossly. Note that this commonly held belief is a regular feature of western reporting on the war as well.

What I've never come across though, and I mean not once, is a concrete piece of evidence that Moscow was actually anticipating a rapid campaign. I mean, since the idea is being repeated so frequently and with such assurance, those subscribing to it ought to be able to produce some kind of a statement, some declaration, some announcement from a Russian official prior or at the onset of the war that corroborates the allegation, right?

And yet, despite my asking several times, nobody could meet the challenge and show me such evidence. It's still an open challenge, by the way: if you can find any Russian statement to that effect, I'd be glad to acknowledge it.

From all I can gather, there's no reason to assume Russia expected anything but the relatively protracted operation it is conducting right now, as well as the witnessed level of resilience on the part of its adversary.

show me evidence contrary to that . the deployment , movement how they attacked point to that.

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[Shawnee]

If Iranian oil increases its market share from 1 B to 2.5 B for the winter which is possible:

-Oil drops 15-20 percent

-US inflation decreases 25-40 percent only from the effect of Iranian oil on transportation etc

Good deal to keep Iranian bomb in check

 

[SalarHaqq]

show me evidence contrary to that . the deployment , movement how they attacked point to that.

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Huh? It's incumbent upon those making an allegation to substantiate it with proof, not the other way around.

Russia wasn't assuming it would be a quick war. There's no evidence to the contrary, including in the deployment, movement and offensive maneuvers of the Russian army.

 

[QWECXZ]

 

[drmeson]

@waz the Indian troll account Kedikesenfare2 has given some 60+ angry reactions to my posts. Please make him stop.

 

[Sineva]

@waz the Indian troll account Kedikesenfare2 has given some 60+ angry reactions to my posts. Please make him stop.

Yes,likewise...
Who is this and whats his malfunction?.

 

[waz]

@waz the Indian troll account Kedikesenfare2 has given some 60+ angry reactions to my posts. Please make him stop.

Bro I’ll delete them all not to worry.

 

[Kedikesenfare2]

@dBSPL db

I've forwarded your message to a friend. He'll help translate it. I hope you didn't insult me!

Bro I’ll delete them all not to worry.

Why? It's called freedom of expression!

 

[waz]

@dBSPL db

I've forwarded your message to a friend. He'll help translate it. I hope you didn't insult me!


Why? It's called freedom of expression!

Not the angry icons you have spammed them everywhere. Remove them please or I will and more.

 

[Kedikesenfare2]

Not the angry icons you have spammed them everywhere. Remove them please or I will and more.

You promise you won't ban me when I tell you the truth ?

 

[waz]

You promise you won't ban me when I tell you the truth ?

I’ve just seen you post earlier about it. Stop using this account now.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Huh? It's incumbent upon those making an allegation to substantiate it with proof, not the other way around.

Russia wasn't assuming it would be a quick war. There's no evidence to the contrary, including in the deployment, movement and offensive maneuvers of the Russian army.

Russia not only yet to stop bombing of donbas but also have to do something with bombing of Crimea , if joining of Ukraine to NATO was of question before it , it become a certainty and as a result Sweden and Finland also want to join NATO.
about Neo-Nazis in Ukraine , as result of war they become stronger and strengthen their hold on Ukraine.
now the question what Russia achieved in last 6 month , what goal they fulfilled . did Ukraine army become weaker? did Russia stopped Ukraine become closer to USA , did Russia manage to weaken Neo-Nazis hold on Ukraine , did they manage to slow western weapon inflow into Ukraine . did they manage to demilitarize Ukraine ?

all because they failed to let go of their WW2 warfare mentality and use their force effectively , all because they failed they must deny enemy freedom of making moves. i say western style of warfare was more effective