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So can I get any help with translations for the song I posted above?

Bro, it takes some time to be able to translate a full song.

Here is the first few lines and my (crappy) attempt at translating it,
بابا بزرگ بابا بزرگ بابا بزرگ...

بابا بزرگ دلم برات تنگ شده
بدون تو شیشه دل سنگ شده
دل منو تو هر گوشه شکستند
یاد تو در راه دل مردان شده

Grandfather, grandfather, grandfather

grandfather, I miss you
without you, my glass heart has turned to stone
my heart is broken on every side
your memory is on people's hearts
 
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@scythian500 @Madali @Serpentine
Aftermath of the unsuccessful coup in Turkey:
45000 detained/fired/suspended from governmental jobs which includes 15200 teachers, 8777 interior ministry staff, 1500 finance ministry staff, 6000 military men, and 9000 policemen. I got these numbders from BBC. These numbers are really huge. They are even larger than the number of people who were detained/fired after 1979 Iranian revolution! Can we expect to see major changes in Turkish foreign/external policies?
 
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@scythian500 @Madali @Serpentine
Aftermath of the unsuccessful coup in Turkey:
45000 detained/fired/suspended from governmental jobs which includes 15200 teachers, 8777 interior ministry staff, 1500 finance ministry staff, 6000 military men, and 9000 policemen. I got these numbders from BBC. These numbers are really huge. They are even larger than the number of people who were detained/fired after 1979 Iranian revolution! Can we expect to see major changes in Turkish foreign/external policies?

Its an extremely weird action. Forget all the moral implications (I don't care about that), but thinking of it in a purely pragmatic way, such an action seems very unwise.

How are they going to quickly be able to replace them? For example, think of 15,200 teachers. It's not like 15,200 unemployed teachers are just sitting there to take over their jobs.

Or think about 9,000 policeman. They have to recruit new policeman and train them, and this will take a long time. I'm going to take a random guess, but I figure due to recent instability police in Turkey are probably working harder than before, so this is the worst time to be understaffed.

Also, what are those 45,000 going to do? If they are arrested, then that's extra work for the judiciary system (remember, 30% of whom have just been suspended). If they are suspended only, then you have a few thousand people who were unhappy before with the government even unhappier, and probably more dangerous.

It would have been a smarter move to make an example of a few well known or more dangerous elements to put the rest in line. Use the intelligence department to closely monitor the rest of the names on the list (without them knowing they are on the list). That is, control the decision makers by putting your people in the positions, and just monitor the rest. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

But the action that they are taking now creates a lot of uncertainty, complexities, and drives a lot of dissatisfaction underground and better hidden. This can be more dangerous in the long run.
 
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Its an extremely weird action. Forget all the moral implications (I don't care about that), but thinking of it in a purely pragmatic way, such an action seems very unwise.

How are they going to quickly be able to replace them? For example, think of 15,200 teachers. It's not like 15,200 unemployed teachers are just sitting there to take over their jobs.

Or think about 9,000 policeman. They have to recruit new policeman and train them, and this will take a long time. I'm going to take a random guess, but I figure due to recent instability police in Turkey are probably working harder than before, so this is the worst time to be understaffed.

Also, what are those 45,000 going to do? If they are arrested, then that's extra work for the judiciary system (remember, 30% of whom have just been suspended). If they are suspended only, then you have a few thousand people who were unhappy before with the government even unhappier, and probably more dangerous.

It would have been a smarter move to make an example of a few well known or more dangerous elements to put the rest in line. Use the intelligence department to closely monitor the rest of the names on the list (without them knowing they are on the list). That is, control the decision makers by putting your people in the positions, and just monitor the rest. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

But the action that they are taking now creates a lot of uncertainty, complexities, and drives a lot of dissatisfaction underground and better hidden. This can be more dangerous in the long run.
Turkey sacks over 15k education staff

In a statement released on Tuesday, the ministry said that "15,200 state employees have been suspended and an investigation has been launched into them.”

It further noted that those suspended are in both urban and rural establishments, and that a probe has been launched against them.

Meanwhile, the Turkish broadcaster TRT reported that the High Education Board has ordered the resignation of 1,577 deans, including 1,176 in public universities and 401 in private institutions.

Turkey's state-run Anadolu news agency also reported that 399 employees of the Ministry of Family and Social Policies had been stripped of their responsibilities.

Thousands of others have been suspended from the police force, the military, Finance Ministry and other public sector positions as part of the Turkish government’s sweeping crackdown on those believed to have played a role in the abortive July 15 putsch.
 
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By the way, I was just checking police numbers per country to see how much police Turkey had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers
(412,624, so 9000 fired would be a reduction of 2% police)

But anyway, what was interesting about that wikipage was something unrelated to Turkey. Sort the table by the "Police per 100,000 people". Iran's position is one of the lowest police per capita in the world! What the hell? Is this correct?
 
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Probably Erdogan favorite government is sth like this:

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By the way, I was just checking police numbers per country to see how much police Turkey had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers
(412,624, so 9000 fired would be a reduction of 2% police)

But anyway, what was interesting about that wikipage was something unrelated to Turkey. Sort the table by the "Police per 100,000 people". Iran's position is one of the lowest police per capita in the world! What the hell? Is this correct?
well I believe they didn't count conscripts in police force .
 
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@scythian500 @Madali @Serpentine
Aftermath of the unsuccessful coup in Turkey:
45000 detained/fired/suspended from governmental jobs which includes 15200 teachers, 8777 interior ministry staff, 1500 finance ministry staff, 6000 military men, and 9000 policemen. I got these numbders from BBC. These numbers are really huge. They are even larger than the number of people who were detained/fired after 1979 Iranian revolution! Can we expect to see major changes in Turkish foreign/external policies?
It almost seems that Erdogan was craving for this failed coup to come. Best opportunity for him to do the purge he always dreamed about.
 
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It almost seems that Erdogan was craving for this failed coup to come. Best opportunity for him to do the purge he always dreamed about.

Obviously, he was very well prepared for the coup. I am not surprised though, because the coups are something normal in Turkish politics. He already had the list of thousands of people who should be fired. He has said that they knew the coup would happen from few hours before it starts which gave them the oppurtunity to smoothly handle the coup. With fewer changes than this, Iran changed from a monarchy to an islamic republic in 1979 and totally changed its foreign/internal policies/attitude! What matters for us, is how his foreign policies are going to change about Iran and middle east. Gulen is far more anti Iran than Erdogan:
http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/607296/سخنان-فتح-الله-گولن-درباره-ایران
So, with Davoutoglu no longer being FM, and Gulenists being fired, is Erdogan going to have more rational policies?
 
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Obviously, he was very well prepared for the coup. I am not surprised though, because the coups are something normal in Turkish politics. He already had the list of thousands of people who should be fired. He has said that they knew the coup would happen from few hours before it starts which gave them the oppurtunity to smoothly handle the coup. With fewer changes than this, Iran changed from a monarchy to an islamic republic in 1979 and totally changed its foreign/internal policies/attitude! What matters for us, is how his foreign policies are going to change about Iran and middle east. Gulen is far more anti Iran than Erdogan:
http://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/607296/سخنان-فتح-الله-گولن-درباره-ایران
So, with Davoutoglu no longer being FM, and Gulenists being fired, is Erdogan going to have more rational policies?

I don't think Erdogan ever been anti Iran , in Syria he just wanted to see another MB government ... and I do agree that he was prepared and even let coup to happen in order to have a good pretext to purge all his opponents one by one ...
On foreign policy we should see how much his previous policies were made under influences of Gulenist to predict probable changes in future ... do you have any idea?
 
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I don't think Erdogan ever been anti Iran , in Syria he just wanted to see another MB government ... and I do agree that he was prepared and even let coup to happen in order to have a good pretext to purge all his opponents one by one ...
On foreign policy we should see how much his previous policies were made under influences of Gulenist to predict probable changes in future ... do you have any idea?
Foreign policies of Erdugan was never set under the influence of any of these off power groups such as Gulen. Erdugan's sense of foreign policy comes with a base root of sense of lost greatness (Ottoman-ism) and the more he finds Turkey's economy more capable the more he seeks bigger role for him as the one who revives a joke of Ottomonism who influences the world.

His policies are never about Ikhvan or Islam... He is ready to give up all if he is given a true European place tomorrow which never happens btw (Due to the structure and texture of Turkish people... You could never water to fill your car tires even though both air and water are fluid)

In a nut shell, Turkey has a dream to be counted big by world but never had enough financial or surface stature fit to be one... She thinks the more Turkey gets empowered financially (that brings bigger military, cultural and political power) they are bound to have more role... more of sticking her nose into affairs of his non business. She forgot that in order to become the power to influence you need other elements... A long term solid yet flexible internal and international policy + An smart leader or leading group + being able to act low profile...

I personally expect relative change of foreign policy in Turkey although never that deep. The source of change are not neither Gunel nor Iran nor USA having Gunel.. Erdugan will behave more only because he found out how unreliable and backstabbing Arabs and USA are and how he can not take the consequences to wrest bigger powers like Russia or Iran... He would probably seek more soft approach toward the Axis of Resistance + Russia and also toward ex-friends of UAE, Eqypt, Saudi, USA...
 
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@scythian500 @Madali @Serpentine
Aftermath of the unsuccessful coup in Turkey:
45000 detained/fired/suspended from governmental jobs which includes 15200 teachers, 8777 interior ministry staff, 1500 finance ministry staff, 6000 military men, and 9000 policemen. I got these numbders from BBC. These numbers are really huge. They are even larger than the number of people who were detained/fired after 1979 Iranian revolution! Can we expect to see major changes in Turkish foreign/external policies?
http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/...ند-لیست-گولنیست‌ها-پیش-از-کودتا-آماده-شده-بود
 
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I don't think Erdogan ever been anti Iran , in Syria he just wanted to see another MB government ... and I do agree that he was prepared and even let coup to happen in order to have a good pretext to purge all his opponents one by one ...
On foreign policy we should see how much his previous policies were made under influences of Gulenist to predict probable changes in future ... do you have any idea?
@scythian500
Baraaye fahmidan e inke inhaa chera in kaar ha ra mikonand, baayad shenaakht e behtari az inha daasht. ma Iraniha chon az yek background e farhangi(farhang e Iran) va mazhabi(shia) va tarikhi va ...kaamelan motefaavet hastim, in arab haa va makhsousan turk ha ra khoub nemishenaasim. baraaye hamin ham siyaasat haye ma va bardasht e ma az inha hamishe dar 100 saal e akhir, ghalat hast. daghighan moshkeli ke gharbiha ham daarand. masalan fekr mikonim ke vahdati ke ma migim ba ommat i ke inha migand yeki hast! ya fekr mikonim ikhwani ha az sunni haye secular be ma nazdik tarand! va az in eshtebaahaat e ajib va gharib.
Khod e Ardoghaan yek gulenist boudeh ast va tafakkoraatesh raghigh shode ye tafakkoraat e Gulen hast ba yek chashni ye pragmatist-i. Saakhtaar e Gulen va gorouhesh mesle in cult ha va fergheh haye soufi va anjoman haye makhfi hast va brain washing e mazhabi dar inha ziyaad hast. Ikhwan va amsaal e inha az khaakestar haye ottoman empire biroun aamadand va aarezouye ounhaa ham noeei az khelaafat e sunni hast. ba shia ham doshman(doshmaniye mazhabi) hastand gar che jaahaayi be khaater e manaafe', ba shia ha kenaar oumadand, mesle Azerbaijan vali age jaayi ham tounestand, zarbe ham zadand mesle Souriye va turkmen haye shia Iraqi. Moshkel e Ardoghaan ba Gulen(be onvaan e raees e fergheh), da'vaa ye ghodrat va nofouz va riyaasat hast. Erdoghaan khaastaar e ghodrat e kaamel dar daakhel va ijaad e nofouz dar khaarej hast. Gharibiha va israel va Iran ham mote'assefaaneh hamishe az ikhwani hayi mesle inha va Morsi va Qatar va ta haddi hamin pakestani ha, ... hemaayat kardand. pas inha mibinand ke az hemaayat e khareji barkhordaarand va baraaye hamin tou dore i, shorou' kardan be expansionist policies mesle hemayat kardan e ikhwani haye souri, morsi, ... ammaa ba'd az maajaraaye souriye va koudetaaye sisi, in siyaasat shekast khord. maajaraaye Gazi park va ra'y e paayin tou entekhaabat ham, shekast e dakheli boud. Barkenaari ye Davutoglu(me'maar e siyaasat khreji ye torkiye va new ottomanism) va in koudetaa ha ra man dar raastaaye taghyiraat e mohem dar siyaasat e dakheli va khareji va ghodrat giri ye bishtar e erdoghaan mibinam. bedoun e kenaar gozashtan e davutoghlou va in koudetaa, Ardoghaan mahkoum be shekast e hatmi boud. Ardoghaan aadam e ba housh va manfe'at talabi hast. Inke haalaa torkiye gharaar hast ke che taghyiri dar siyaasat e kharejish bede, soal e asli hast vali man mibinam ke baaz ma Iraniha dargir e joz'iyaat e birabt va far'ei shodim. Soalaat e mohem inha baayad basheh: aayaa ardoghaan siyaasat e pan turkisti ra taghviyat khaahad kard(bar zed Iran va rous ha) ya inke ba Iran kenaar miyaad (ke in mozou' ba'eed hast. geopolitics e Turkiye, be Turkiye in ra dictate mikone ke mostaghel az inke ki tou Ankara ghodrat daare, doshman e Iran va Rous ha baashan)? islamism va ikhwanism ra afzayesh mide ya be samt e Nationalist ha mire? dar mored e gharb che mikone? aayaa gharb ra raazi mikone ke Gulen be haashiye bere? ...
 
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We have no info to analyze and foresee upcoming changes in Turkey foreign policy , for instance today Erdogan claimed some countries were behind the recent failed coup (which countries?) ... and meanwhile called the USA a strategic ally ...

Surly having terrorists attacks, unrest and also Kurds separatists plus his failure to achieve his goals in Syria have made him to think twice which resulted in reestablishing relations with Russia and israel that are signs of a new rational foreign policies adopted by him as zero tension policy alongside with negotiations with Syrian Gov. and all of them happened before the coup ... it is for sure that as far as he was prepared for coup he is gonna proceed with his prearranged purges plan which undoubtedly would make him to focus for a while on internal issues that means we might see some tactical changes in foreign policies to buy time in order to curb his internal opponents at home but consequently and in the long-term Turkey will lean more to be a authoritarian government which he would have the final say in it .
 
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