Iranian Chill Thread

[rmi5]

Na bikar ke nistam ta alaan bidar basham, taze bidar shodam.

fekr kardam ta alaan bidaar boudi, va mikhaasti beri bekhaabi
OK, shab va rouz khosh

 

[IRAN 1802]

fekr kardam ta alaan bidaar boudi, va mikhaasti beri bekhaabi
OK, shab va rouz khosh

Ye moghe hayi pish biad ta sobh bidar mimunam...

Shabet khosh

 

[Ostad]

Dota mageh hamoun warcraft nist?
Are, search kardam, yek seri video daareh neshoun mideh az osgol baazhi hayi ke mellat dar aavordan



shabet be kheyr aziz
Raasti, alaan taazeh az khaab bidaar shodeh boudi, ya inke taa alaan bidaar boudi?

areh tagriban hamouneh.
yebar 2 nafar boudan ke ba 2 ta f-16 High five mikardan.lol

man beram kelasam dir shod.

 

[rmi5]

areh tagriban hamouneh.
yebar 2 nafar boudan ke ba 2 ta f-16 High five mikardan.lol

man beram kelasam dir shod.

OK, see you guys

 

[KingMamba]

Thanks for your informative post. I learned new things in it. But I do not agree with all of it. For example, I have doubts about your version of how Deobandi school was created. With British Raj designing its building. How its funding and recruitment came about? This was not a time of internet, advertisement, etc. Nothing of this scale could be done without at least some degree of state power. Even if deobandis was founded by those remnants, the possibility can not be discounted that they had been bought or forced into cooperation or they would have been executed like others. At any rate, the movement was instrumental in propagation and stabilizing British Raj.

I did not mean that Hindus were pushed towards secular education. I said, prioritized. British were smart governors. They did not unnecessarily create such discrimination that could jeopardize their political power. Rather, they were looking favorably to Hindus being in position of bureaucratic power than Muslims or Sikhs. But your larger point about British outlawing Farsi is correct in that, the entire educated class of Muslims suddenly became officially "illiterate" and thus left out of structures of power and decision making.

I do not think deobandis themselves could by any possibility of imagination think that as India was moving towards self-governance and independence, based on a representative system, Muslims could be in position of absolute power since Hindus would have dominated them, not only in numbers but also because of their status in education as well as their firm grip on bureaucracy of India. This idea of complete domination of India was just an excuse for them to oppose the creation of Pakistan since they thought, they would become a minority in such a state among other denomination of Muslims, which actually did happen eventually. Correct me if I am wrong, but to this day, deobandi leaders have not apologized for their wrong decision on this issue and stand by their original idea of opposition to creation of Pakistan. Now, for another state such a triviality would not matter. But for Pakistan a country based on an ideology it is a poison for its foundation.

I did not know that General Zia was a Wahabi. It is new for me. I always thought he was a deobandi. But then it explains his policies. But overall, I believe the Islamization of Pakistan actually started during the time of Butto. He was the guy who facilitated the deobandis into corridors of power. Even his choice of putting Zia in charge of army an institution that was always run by liberal Generals is an example. He was the guy who started to supply Pakistani labor to Arab world and aligning Pakistan with Saudi Arabia and Arab causes (let me remind you this, over the objections of Iranian government at the time).

There are two things that make me perplexed. And this goes to say who complex South Asia can be. First, the 1857 rebellion, in which Muslims and Hindus were side by side, trying to rid themselves of a colonial power. I guess the only other such a rebellion at such a scale against a colonial power was the American revolution which was more successful than Indian one. But despite such unity, 90 years later, they were at each other's throat. What changed in these 90 years. I believe without understanding these 90 years, Pakistan India relationship can never be normalized.

The other perplexing thing for me is the conduct of General Zia. He tried everything in his power to turn Pakistan from largely a Sufi nation to a Wahabi power house. Under his watch Pakistan made its first nukes. But then he did not transfer this technology to Saudi Arabia. Rather, he swiftly gave the technology to Iran for a very meager and symbolic amount of money. Pakistan at the time was awash with dollars that US was providing it for the covert war against Soviets, so it was not about money. So why he, despite being a Wahabi, gives Iran the technology but leaves Saudis, who had funded Pakistan's program, in the cold? I guess we will never know the answer.

But it is really sad, that all these dangerous ideologies are merging into each other in Pakistan, as you say with distinctions between them evaporating. Mutations at such level would mean, extreme difficulty in tracking them down and countering them both in physical form as well as ideologically. It is almost like a mutation making a hybrid zombie-vampire-terminator that looks and walks exactly like a human and even probably taking its orders from somewhere else. How would you fight such a thing if there are too many of them right among you? I guess, dark days would be ahead.

Grass root recruitment and money drives have always played a huge part in financing religious projects even till this day in South Asia. Yeah that is what I said British decided they need to buy out as many Imams as possible, which they did. Nah I disagree only Imams that were bought out did much for British but not all were bought out, just like not all Barelvi or Shia religious leaders were bought out.

Do you have some evidence for your claim that Hindus were prioritized? Afaik Muslims chose not to attend such schools and Sikhs preferred military roles.

Like I said deobandis were not thinking in terms of right away, they were thinking long term. If there was no partition today there would be close to 700 million Muslims in India compared to 850-900 million Hindus. Within another 25 years Muslims would become the majority, that is the moment they were thinking about. I mean even Hindus on this forum will agree that the deobandis did not prefer India out of some sort of thought of unity.

You are right they have not apologized and imo they should be executed in mass, but my opinions do not matter lol.

Nah Bhutto was not an Islamist, he did bring Pakistan closer to the Islamic role by organizing the OIC but that was for Pakistan's benefit and he kept things balanced overall. He had great relations with the Soviets who were godless lol and they actually started many Pakistani industries during his tenure like the steel mills. He also balanced relations with the US and pretty much checked India at the negotiating table at shimla. In fact one of his most famous quotes was, "yes I drink, but at least I do not drink people's blood". That was when he was asked about his fondness for alcohol.

Putting zia in charge was his way of trying to avoid being overthrown, Pakistani premiers long did these tactics. They would often skip over the next in line if they felt he was not controllable or "too ambitious", and put a junior officer into the chief position instead. Ironically many times this failed, it failed when Ayub Khan was promoted out of turn before Zia and it failed with Musharaff after Zia. Needless to say Pakistani leadership does not learn from its mistakes.

I think Pakistanis going to labor in the middle east was inevitable either way, India has more laborers than Pakistan in the middle east yet they are neutral in Arab affairs. This has more to do with the need for labor in those countries and the oil wealth to pay for it then anything else, South Asia is still poor. Had Iran not been under sanctions you would probably see a large South Asian workforce in Iran as well.

That was entirely the British's doing. They mastered the art of divide and conquer which they used to divide Muslims and Hindus. Anyway peace with India will come when India stops occupying Pakistan's kashmir.

The Saudis did not ask for it, also you forget the Libyans also financed much of the project yet they did not recieve anything as well. Zia was wahabbi but there is nothing to say he was takfiri, in fact during the Iran-Iraq war he supported Iran over Iraq. Also he was among the first to recognize the new Iranian government after the IR and called it an Islamic revival. That being said he played little part in the tech being given to Iran, that was largely AQ Khan's personal efforts.

Actually it makes it easier if they all merge into one so we can make it clear who our enemies are, many Pakistanis blame everyone from the US to India to Israel to the martians for their problems but an equally vocal amount of Pakistanis realize that the threat is largely from within. Even if any country has a part in financing such terror groups, the ones committing said crimes are still Pakistanis themselves. I think the time is not to far when the rest of the Pakistanis will realize this, how much more innocent blood will be spilled before that concerns me though.

 

[New]

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aghayoun rahi, haman, rmi5, abii, serpentin, kolang, daneshmand, iran 18.. , the silen.... , va others, kholase bebakhshid age nakhaste baes narahati shodam, va felan bye.

 

[rmi5]

Agha ma laptop ro khamoosh karde boodim taghriban vasataye hayat boodam, yadam oftad inja az baro bachz khodahafezi nakrde boodam, ba tavajoh be inke laptop nemibaram, va osoulan ham I don't have the necessary guts to login on PDF dar oonja, banabarin goftam ye khodahafezi konam, bara inke masale kheyli ham tragic nashe ghol midam tarafye eyd norouz har ja basham online besham.
aghayoun rahi, haman, rmi5, abii, serpentin, kolang, daneshmand, iran 18.. , the silen.... , va others, kholase bebakhshid age nakhaste baes narahati shodam, va felan bye.

See you in 48 hours

 

[rahi2357]

Agha ma laptop ro khamoosh karde boodim taghriban vasataye hayat boodam, yadam oftad inja az baro bachz khodahafezi nakrde boodam, ba tavajoh be inke laptop nemibaram, va osoulan ham I don't have the necessary guts to login on PDF dar oonja, banabarin goftam ye khodahafezi konam, bara inke masale kheyli ham tragic nashe ghol midam tarafye eyd norouz har ja basham online besham.
aghayoun rahi, haman, rmi5, abii, serpentin, kolang, daneshmand, iran 18.. , the silen.... , va others, kholase bebakhshid age nakhaste baes narahati shodam, va felan bye.

naaaaaaaaaaa . hala dige ki postaye maaro like mikone? be har hal man ye hese badi

daram .ehsasam ine ke in ye safare bi bazgashte yani inke mage Miss New mizare dige

invara aftaabi shi ? .............. man az hozoret inja kheyli estefade kardam alan

nemidonam be che omidi bayad ta eyd baz on sham ishala harja hasti va dar har arseyi ke

mashghoole khedmati baz biay PDF ye sar be maha bezani movazebe khodeto khoobiat bash . felan

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shekli bashe ...

Anyway @rmi5 @Abii @New

ma ke invar holiday nadarim

 

[haman10]

Agha ma laptop ro khamoosh karde boodim taghriban vasataye hayat boodam, yadam oftad inja az baro bachz khodahafezi nakrde boodam, ba tavajoh be inke laptop nemibaram, va osoulan ham I don't have the necessary guts to login on PDF dar oonja, banabarin goftam ye khodahafezi konam, bara inke masale kheyli ham tragic nashe ghol midam tarafye eyd norouz har ja basham online besham.
aghayoun rahi, haman, rmi5, abii, serpentin, kolang, daneshmand, iran 18.. , the silen.... , va others, kholase bebakhshid age nakhaste baes narahati shodam, va felan bye.

GD bye .....

zood bargardi , khoda poshto panahet

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tou een chand rouze enghad etefagh bad baram oftade ke ....

aslan hoseley khodemam nadaram . fln ye chand vaghti ma ham bye ....

 

[rahi2357]

fln ye chand vaghti ma ham bye ....

maloome inja che khabare ? har rooz darim kamtar mishim ke . jayii nemiri haman

 

[haman10]

jayii nemiri haman

na azize delam , koja beram

faghat ye modati tou halat khalse am . hehe

i'll catch up with u guys later . love u , lol

 

[rahi2357]

na azize delam , koja beram

faghat ye modati tou halat khalse am . hehe

i'll catch up with u guys later . love u , lol

ok. movazebet bash . felan

 

[kollang]

na azize delam , koja beram

faghat ye modati tou halat khalse am . hehe

i'll catch up with u guys later . love u , lol

We wont let you go into khalse, bro

ma ke invar holiday nadarim

Khodayish hafte baad holiday darim dige
Ye shanbe tatil, se shanbe tatil, pangshanbe o jome tatil.shanbe o do shanbe ham beynoltatilatein

 

[IRAN 1802]

@rmi5

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[rmi5]

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