Iranian Arabs

[ASQ-1918]

Nasir Hejazi is indeed an ethnic Azerbaijan (his family being from Tabriz originally), even his son is named "Atilla".

 

[Surenas]

Nasir Hejazi is indeed an ethnic Azerbaijani, even his son is named "Atilla" and his daughter "Atusa".

Atosa is a Persian name.

 

[SinaG]

I have family members, by marriage though, which I suspect are originally Iranian-Arabs, or at least partially. Purely based on appearance. They look quite atypical Persian to me.

My family is very mixed. I have Anatolian Turkish family members, Azeri, Gilaki, and many other types. But me, myself am 100% Persian, which looking at PDF seems to be a rarity for Iranian members.

 

[al-Hasani]

Indeed you are correct about Mirza. It comes from Amirzadeh. Amir is prince, and Zadeh means "born to". So it literally means born to a prince. I think it is usually used to denote when someone's mother is a Sayyida, and thus are not qualified to be Seyyed themselves. It also in the old days was used to denote somebody who could read and write, and thus was a title of honor back in the day.

Also what you said about Nasser Hejazi applies to most Persians. Names like Nasser, Mohammad, Reza, Ali, Hossein, Abdollah etc are very popular in Iran. So are Arab surnames. So somebody having both an Arab first name and surname does not indicate them being Arab in Iran.

My mother's family is Tehrani for centuries. Which is very rare as most people in Tehran are immigrants from other parts of the country.

Thanks for that.

Of course I know that having an Arab first name and last name does not make you an Arab. Far from it. In that case most Muslims if not 90% would be Arab! I am solely looking at the last name. Hejazi basically means a person from Hijaz. I asked some Iranians I know and they told me that it is a rare name but that it is found among Iranian Arabs. So I just wondered. And when we say Arab then we are talking about their lineage. Obviously most of the ordinary Iranian Arabs living outside of the majority Arab areas/or areas with Arab presence in Iran have married Iranians of all origins by now. Only the apparent Sadah families generally married into other Sadah families and did not marry every Joe around.

I think what is amazing in all this is that Arab village (Khalaf) 150 km northeast of Birjand. I find that astonishing that they nearly 1500 years after still speak an Arabic dialect not spoken anywhere else.

 

[SinaG]

Nasir Hejazi is indeed an ethnic Azerbaijan (his family being from Tabriz originally), even his son is named "Atilla" and daughter "Atusa".

How do you know so much dude?

 

[al-Hasani]

My family is very mixed. I have Anatolian Turkish family members, Azeri, Gilaki, and many other types. But me, myself am 100% Persian, which looking at PDF seems to be a rarity for Iranian members.

If you look past your mother's lineage. Don't shot me, LOL.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Atosa is a Persian name.

You are right, but no debate on Atilla.

@SinaG

Its on Azerbaijani wiki.

 

[Surenas]

My family is very mixed. I have Anatolian Turkish family members, Azeri, Gilaki, and many other types. But me, myself am 100% Persian, which looking at PDF seems to be a rarity for Iranian members.

I'm Kurdish and Persian. My Kurdish grandfather was a beg (or bey), which simply means a seigneur, or at least someone with some status. My father's family are just Persian from Shiraz.

I am trying to find pictures of my uncles (not direct uncles, but by marriage) which I suspect have some Arab blood. They come from Khorasan.

 

[Doritos11]

al-Hasani now we’re both partially Kazakh steppe nomads

 

[ASQ-1918]

What about the status of Iranian Arabs? I have heard that they are quite oppressed. Is this really the case? And if so, to what extent?

Also, the economic status of Khuzestan seems to be one of the poorest in Iran, correct me if wrong.

 

[rmi5]

I have heard that people with the name Hejazi are of an Arab origin? At least it is an Arabic name. Don't think that it is common in Iran either.

Nasser Hejazi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude, Nasser Hejazi was an Azerbaijani turk. His father was from tabriz, and his mother was from Zanjan
Nevertheless, he is one of the best goalkeepers of all times

 

[al-Hasani]

From what i have gathered there seems to be a quite significant Arab-Iranian presence in Mashhad and around it.

Of course when most Muslims think about Mashhad, probably mostly Shias, they think about the shrine of Ali al-Ridha (ra) and his mosque.







@Surenas

Trust me, many Persians, Lurs and Kurds could pass for Arabs and vice versa. I see it all the time. I know that it might be blasphemous for some nationalists but even if you notice genetics etc. all people of the ME cluster with each other more than they do with any other outsiders no matter what language they speak or what ethnicity they belong to. In general that is.

I mean you cannot nearly distinguish people of Persian/Lur ancestry in the Gulf or those that are mixed with the local population.

Anyway for such a small community in Iran (2% of the population or so) Iranain Arabs seem to be doing quite good and they seem to have had many famous personalities and Iranians in high positions and poets/scientists etc. from way back.

Of course I imagine that there is also a lot of poverty in Ahwaz which was hide by a long war etc and in the Southern provinces as well.

 

[Surenas]

Don't let we discuss the socio-economic situation. Nothing but trouble.

 

[SinaG]

If you look past your mother's lineage. Don't shot me, LOL.

Actually I don't mind if it turns out I am part Arab. Trolling on PDF aside I have no problem with Arabs apart from some political issues.

The Southern coast of Iran has been heavily influenced by Arab culture. There is a dialect spoken there called Bandari, that is a mixture of Persian and Arabic. I can barely understand it. Also Bandari music and food are heavily influenced by Arabic as well.

Here is a video of an Afro-Iranian and some other southern Iranians speaking in Bandari. I can't understand it. Apparently they are making fun of northern Iranians. Do you understand any of it? Can you tell the Arabic influence?

 

[Surenas]

Trust me, many Persians, Lurs and Kurds could pass for Arabs and vice versa. I see it all the time. I know that it might be blasphemous for some nationalists but even if you notice genetics etc. all people of the ME cluster with each other more than they do with any other outsiders no matter what language they speak or what ethnicity they belong to. In general that is.

Most of my family would still be atypical Arab. They can't pass for Arabs IMO. I do think there is some overlap, but the differences are still great.