Iran warns India on gas (IPI) pipeline

[rawraw]

Despite so many benefits related to backing out Still INDIA Is confused and uncertain wehther you guys want to join or leave????

why still blowing hot and cold over the project?

Dunno.. maybe they are not getting adequate kickbacks.

 

[Spring Onion]

This is imp to this topic because to reliably get the gas to India we need friendly transit route. I think Baluchis are friendly, but Sindh I dont know. But is the gas worth all the trouble.. well , i dont think so. So if it happens , great. If not, we should not be involved in this project.

BLA Is friendly to India but the problem is if Indian backed BLA terrorists stop blowing up then it will be good for Pakistani security and a set back to Indian investment in terrorism in Balochistan.'

So take your pick

 

[Spring Onion]

Dunno.. maybe they are not getting adequate kickbacks.

I dont think so it has anything to do with kickbacks. India is still not clear what she wants over this project.

 

[rawraw]

I dont think so it has anything to do with kickbacks. India is still not clear what she wants over this project.

It's possible. they dont want any situation which Pak can use as a lever incase of conflict. I think thats the real reason

 

[Spring Onion]

It's possible. they dont want any situation which Pak can use as a lever incase of conflict. I think thats the real reason

Then why India is not coming up with clear stance on this gasline

 

[ejaz007]

My dear even if you take this route even then it will pass through Pakistan.

Let me tell you one thing that laying and maintaining a pipeline on land is much more easy than one under sea. Even if the pipeline is blown it can be repaired however if some thing goes wrong under sea than it will be very difficult to repair it.

One more thing gas peiplines require routine cleaning. The process is called pigging. Pipelines on land can be pigged relatively easily than the ones under sea.

India's best bet still is one through land and not under sea.

 

[rawraw]

BLA Is friendly to India but the problem is if Indian backed BLA terrorists stop blowing up then it will be good for Pakistani security and a set back to Indian investment in terrorism in Balochistan.'

So take your pick

hahaha .. i like it.. good try.. india does not support terror nor has any investments in cash or kind. we want a peaceful neighborhood, which islamabad cannot provide, since by way of inception its flawed. therefore any activity that pak does is flawed if seen from the lens of a civilised society

 

[rawraw]

Then why India is not coming up with clear stance on this gasline

thats a good question which i shall leave my pak friends to fill in the blanks

 

[ejaz007]

It's possible. they dont want any situation which Pak can use as a lever incase of conflict. I think thats the real reason

What ever the reason let me tell you one thing with growing Indian energy needs you need gas from whichever source you can get. Five years from now you will be cursing your government that they did not join the project that is if they decide to leave the project.

 

[rawraw]

What ever the reason let me tell you one thing with growing Indian energy needs you need gas from whichever source you can get. Five years from now you will be cursing your government that they did not join the project that is if they decide to leave the project.

Maybe, but what if we will be glad that we have not sunk our boots in some quicksand. to be honest either way is possible. so i think the jury is still out on this one. honestly i would like to see this frucitfy with some modifications and substantial financial commitments from pak

 

[PeacefulIndian]

Then why India is not coming up with clear stance on this gasline

From what I believe, India is not really interested in this pipeline anymore. As indcated in an article on previous page, the deal is way too risky & even after addressing security issues, it makes India prone to blackmail from Iran & Pakistan.

But India does not want to annoy Iran, an ally, by saying a direct NO & is using delaying tactics. If I am correct, we will never see a direct answer from India anytime soon. It will just wait for it to die down with time.

 

[ambidex]

India has recently signed a pact with Australia for more then $ ~20 billion for natural gas. It is big mammoth project as far as keeping the supply chain of natural gas is concerned.

India's dilemma for Iran is part and parcel of his new romance with US. I can not see this pipe line project being concluded for the construction very fast in near future. Iran's concerns are genuine but probing in nature. Being a supplier and short of permanent friends the ball is still at the court of Iran and will remain there for longer time, irrespective of what she is saying to GoI.

India can afford to keep its cards closed for a long time for sure; given the fact India is heavily investing exploration of Natural gas in India with many positive/encouraging findings.

 

[TOPGUN]

Never say never. Just 70 yrs ago (or 80) Pakistan was no there in anyones wildest dreams. With the Baluch unrest by its people , if there were some liberators who supported them , its just a matter of time maybe, especially with the Army busy in Afghan border. I dont know much about Sindh, but I think there were some unrest there too.

Offcourse you would want to see that hater the hate is very clear one or many can see that in you ! once more let me repeat my self never gona happen in your wildest dreams live with it and far the baluch tell your gov and raw to supporting terriost acts and acts the gov then perhaps there will be no probs as far as sindh is concern no you dont know forusre i wwas born in karach half of my fam lives there and are in the armed forces and i can assure you this is all media bull speically your dumb indian media PAKISTAN is here to stay boy learn it feed it in your brian and live with it break up of PAKISTAN will only happen after we break up your country.

 

[Omar1984]

I see this new route touching Gwadar, so keep dreaming. You cant avoid Pakistan in any pipeline between Iran and India.

 

[Kavin]

Then why India is not coming up with clear stance on this gasline

Iran, India to launch new round of energy talks

TEHRAN – An Iranian delegation traveled to New Delhi on Sunday to review expanding energy ties with that country.

The Iranian delegation is headed by the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) Managing Director, Seifollah Jashnsaz, SHANA news agency reported.

Indian firms’ participation in the development of Iran’s South Pars gas field’s phase 12 and Farzad B gas field, as well as negotiation on the Iran-Pakistan-India proposed pipeline are the main issues to be discussed.

Two days ago, the Indian news agency Press Trust of India reported that India’s Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) overseas investment arm, ONGC Videsh Ltd, will hold talks with officials of NIOC in the upcoming week.

ONGC is seeking a 20-25 percent stake in the $7.5 billion project of Iran’s South Pars gas field’s phase 12 development plan.

The Indian firm also eyes developing the Farsi gas field.

ONGC Videsh and Hindujas had in the past signed separate MOUs with Iranian Petropars for a stake in the South Pars project and are independently talking to NIOC.

The sources said ONGC Videsh would negotiate to get LNG (liquefied natural gas) in return for its efforts in both the projects.

Iran, which has the world's second-largest gas reserves after Russia, has estimated it would require $40 billion to develop the remaining phases of the South Pars fields within 10 years, Reuters reported.

During his visit in mid-November Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said that the “door is open” for India to rejoin the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline but indicated that Iran could not wait indefinitely and the structure of the project could change in the future.

The Indian officials also flagged New Delhi’s interest in the IPI gas pipeline project.

“We have a bilateral arrangement with Pakistan and the door is open for our Indian friends. IPI will be a reality ... but I am not sure about the future,” Motakki said.

According to Mottaki more than 100 km of the pipeline has already been laid on the Iranian side and the Pakistani side has also “started action” on its side of the border.

Iran, Pakistan, and India conceptualized a gas pipeline project in the 1990s, dubbed as the IPI - or peace pipeline- to help boost peace and security in the region.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari inked a $7.5 billion agreement in Tehran on May 23, finalizing the deal to transfer gas from Iran to Pakistan, Press TV reported.

According to the deal, Iran will initially transfer 30 million cubic meters of gas per day to Pakistan, but will eventually increase the transfer to 60 million cubic meters per day.

Negotiations over the project were initiated in 1994 between the three countries but there were obstacles to closing the three-way deal due to tension between India and Pakistan.

Due to the tense India-Pakistan relations, New Delhi stepped back from the later stages of negotiations, although it has never formally withdrawn from the project.

During the talks, the Indian officials had asked Iran to sort out a number of issues, such as the security of the pipeline and the gas price formula.

India didn’t participate in the last several rounds of talks, but Iran repeatedly encouraged India to rejoin the process.

The IPI gas pipeline is a proposed 2,775-kilometer pipeline to deliver natural gas from Iran to Pakistan and India.

The project is expected to greatly benefit India and Pakistan, which do not have sufficient natural gas to meet their rapidly increasing domestic demand.

Pakistan -- facing an energy crisis -- plans to generate 4,600 megawatts of electricity with Iranian natural gas