Iran to supply Russia with “hundreds” of Drones

[ashool]

I think this is fake news Russia would never consider iranian garbage drones but if am wrong then its a huge victory for iranian defence industry if a country like russia which is one of largest weapons exporter in the world uses their drones thats nothing else but a great achievement.

another question comes to mind why dont russians order chinese drones. chinese have all sorts of drones this news seems fake.

lol go speak about bt2 who every part of it from one nation other than turky even painting and you cal it turky made hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[ESAx]

You wanna stop derailing the thread?

İranian users have started misinformation about Turkish UCAVs
stop talking about Turkish UCAVs or we will show you reality

 

[ESAx]

No, not because the TB-2 is a bad turkish design, or the Predator a bad american design. No, because this class of drones simply can't survive against a competent airdef. Especially the TB-2 with their very short range weapons and very slow speed.

TB-2 is the best in the world for its own class as Tactical UCAV

-- 27.000 feet altitude
-- 24+ hours endurance
-- 30 km laser pointer
-- 15 km laser guided munition

and slow speed with tiny body and design make difficult it to detect-track by Radars


maybe İranian Drone has good design and technology

 

[drmeson]

You wanna stop derailing the thread?

This thread needs cleaning and bannings. Report the jealous troll to mods so that we can talk in peace.

 

[ProudPak]

Suffice to say that Vladimir Putin, is the least anti-Semitic ruler of Russia in the last 300 years. The rest is realpolitik. Russia has interests. Israel has interests. More often than not, those interests align

Indeed and interests such ad Muslims fighting for Russia will count a lot in future decisions

 

[Stryker1982]

İranian users have started misinformation about Turkish UCAVs
stop talking about Turkish UCAVs or we will show you reality

l haven't mentioned Turkish UCAVs at all but okay lol

 

[Shawnee]

Don’t take my word

Take Zelensky word:

“Turkish drones not effective as mentioned “

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Take McKenzie word:
“Iran got overmatch in the theatre—the ability to overwhelm.”

“Cheap and easy to buy, are often difficult to detect and problematic to defeat. “

“We’re working very hard to find technical fixes that would allow us to be more effective against them,”

“We’re open to all kinds of things,” he said. “The Army is working it very hard. Still, I don’t think we’re where we want to be.”

 

[dani92]

Honestly, the dumbest thing that Iran could do right now.

You'll getting what in return? A few millions? The minute an Iranian drone has been shot down by Ukrainian forces or the minute it has been seen operational in the Ukrainian skies the entire Western world plus many other allied nations will cry for new sanctions on Tehran.

Risking long lasting damages for Moscow isn't worth it. Russia threw Iran many, many times under the bus. I don't see any benefits to Iran from this deal.

China and Russia can make Iran another Vietnam for the west to pay them back for Ukraine and Afghanistan and South China Sea.

 

[TheImmortal]

AKINCI to carry AESA Radar and can fire 150-250 km Missiles such as TRLG-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ and SOM to hunt Air Defense Systems like PANTSIR , BUK , TOR , AKASH , MICA-VL , SAMP-T , PATRIOT , S300

AESA radar on the drone is irrelevant as that covers the skies. Not the ground.

Most long range systems will detect it just on its sheer size (its a huge UAV with zero stealth elements) let alone with any type of payload.

That’s why F-35 isn’t as stealthy when it puts bombs on its racks.

Good bird to hunt even enemy Warships

Maybe up to frigate class ships yes. Destroyer and above depends on situation and if missile can overcome the defenses of destroyer. UAV itself will be shot down, but it should be able to get off a few missiles.

You seems like real child who compare Drone with Strategic Bombers

You are bragging about firepower which is irrelevant since Turkey is not building 100s of these. They are vulnerable due to being prop engines slow speed.

Iran philosophy is build low observable cheap long range 1000KM suicide drones and flying wing drones for such roles. Less fire power, but ability to build 100s as a swarm.

Yes Iran also has heavy drones maybe not in AKINCI class, maybe a step below. Reason is it goes against Iranian philosophy. In war time it is either going up against Israel or US, thus AKINCI class is not smart against well defended armies. And Iran cannot outspend US who has luxury to build a handful of Global HAWK class drones for $100M each. Cost of a high class fighter jet.

So Iran could build 5 AKINCI class drones or 50 small flying wing drones or 100 suicide drones.

To Iran the answer is no brainer. Turkey will likely export AKINCI to western armies who overspend.

 

[925boy]

Iran must be getting some major hardware in return im assuming?

why not dollars, or gold? or oil barter??

Doesnt seem so smart especially when things are heating up with Israel…

Shut up hater. I love how you think you know whats "smart" more than the Iranian govt/military..typical blockhead American bravado..that gets you broke from dumb crap. You dunno sht about Iran's military, but your ego thinks you do, so you just blab, hoping it'll just slide unquestioned.smh

 

[Surenas]

Russia Getting Iranian Attack Drones Would Be A Very Big Deal​

However, the reference to “several hundred UAVs” sounds much more like a smaller type of UAV, perhaps the kind that has become widely known as a ‘suicide drone’ or ‘kamikaze drone’ on account of its one-way mission.

There are multiple examples in the Middle East of Iranian-made suicide drones, including those operated by Iran and its proxies targeting oil infrastructure in Saudi Arabia, causing significant damage in sometimes-complex raids. The vulnerability of infrastructure, in particular, to these sorts of ‘low-end’ drone attacks is a topic we have explored in the past. Such attacks have also been prosecuted by a combination of suicide drones as well as ballistic and/or cruise missiles, making defense against them even more problematic.

Even used on their own, these kinds of drones are by no means straightforward to counter using traditional air defenses and, in all, they can have a destructive effect that’s entirely at odds with their relatively low cost of procurement.

As a means of prosecuting long-range attacks, Iranian armed drones would be much cheaper than using cruise or ballistic missiles. Furthermore, Russia’s capacity to produce such weapons in the face of sanctions is also questionable. While the Iranian-made suicide drones would lack the sophistication and reduced radar cross-section of the latest Russian cruise missiles, they would be highly suitable for the same kinds of pinpoint attacks on infrastructure. Their range would also mean they could be used against targets in western Ukraine, including the capital, Kyiv. Even using them indiscriminately as a sort of 'vengeance weapon' on the capital is a real possibility.

There is also the possibility that Russian could exploit Iranian expertise to prosecute different kinds of drone strikes, including against maritime targets if the need arises, for example, if the conflict expands into the strategically vital Black Sea. Tehran has much experience in this area, having attacked, or coordinated attacks, on commercial shipping on a number of occasions in the past. In August last year, for example, U.S. Central Command released details of a fatal drone attack on a Liberian-flagged, Israeli-operated tanker, M/T Mercer Street, off the coast of Oman. Iran was blamed for that incident, which involved three strikes carried out by “one-way attack unmanned aerial vehicles,” better known as suicide drones.

Other Iranian drones have been developed specifically to seek and destroy air defenses, in the same kind of role that was first pioneered by the Israeli-developed Harpy drone. This could be of particular relevance to Russia as it seeks to further degrade the Ukrainian air defense network, especially as new kinds of surface-to-air missiles begin to threaten Russian aircraft.

Degrading Ukraine's air defenses via anti-radiation seeker-equipped drones could help open up the airspace in the western part of the country for attacks by traditional manned assets.
With all this in mind, it is clear that acquiring Iranian armed UAVs, especially suicide drone types, in such large numbers, could be very attractive for Russia. Indeed, according to Iranian reports, Russian interest in buying its drones — or perhaps licence-producing them — dates back to 2019, at least a year before the UN arms embargo on Iran was lifted.

Then there is the issue of what Tehran stands to gain from a possible deal of this kind. Securing a hugely valuable new customer — one that is fighting an active all-out war no less — for its arms comes at a time when sanctions have taken their toll and cash infusions are much needed. It would also send a powerful signal of its support to the Moscow regime, which has found itself more or less an international pariah since invading Ukraine in February this year. Tehran has already said it blames NATO expansion in Eastern Europe for triggering the war in Ukraine.

As to getting Iranian drones to Russia, that would likely make use of an already established pattern of cargo flights between the two countries. According to data gathered by aircraft tracker and satellite image analyst Gerjon, in the first three months following the invasion of Ukraine, at least 23 Iranian cargo flights flew from Iran to Moscow. Exactly what these aircraft were transporting remains unclear, but all seem to have landed in Moscow and were flown by airlines that have been understood to have transported arms to other countries in the past. In particular, some of the same aircraft and airlines were noted flying to Ethiopia immediately before Iranian-made Mohajer-6 drones appeared in that country.

There is also the option of delivering weapons by sea. According to a report yesterday from the semi-official Mehr News, Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines (IRISL) is shipping 300 “special containers” containing undisclosed goods to Russia. The same statement noted that, if demand increases, the number of containers can also grow.

However they are supplied, getting drones into Russian hands quickly could be of great value. The Iranian drone portfolio, by and large, is heavily focused on systems that smaller militaries or even non-state actors can be trained to use quickly. On the whole, they also require minimal logistics, which would be another boon for Russia and its much-publicized logistics issues.

If Russian does indeed get its hands on large quantities of Iranian drones, it could mark a significant shift in the war in Ukraine, with Tehran’s entry into the arena as a potentially significant political player. At the same time, should Russia start deploying Iranian-made suicide drones, as seems entirely possible, it will further reinforce the fact that we are very much entering a new age of warfare, in which standoff strikes by one-way drones are an increasingly common — and challenging — dynamic.

Russia Getting Iranian Attack Drones Would Be A Very Big Deal

Russia getting hundreds of drones from Iran could help backfill for depleted missile stocks and wreak havoc in the western part of Ukraine.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Hack-Hook]

The reason is simple. Russians believed in their manned airpower (3rd largest fleet in the world) like today Iran is believing in its unmanned airpower (Worlds 3rd largest fleet of Armed UCAVS). They neglected their unmanned domain like we are cutting IRIAF budgets because we see it as an interceptor force. Why are we not seeing 200 Kowsar-I already, why just 18-24? If we can turn an enemy into a toast with Fakour-90 LRBVR at 150 Km why is not Fatter being turned into a BVR-IR package for Kowsar-I? Why have not they unvieled Kowsar-II yet. I mean the ingredients are there already. We are making the full airframe, FBW, Nav-comm, e-warfare, J-85-II, Grifo-346, AIM-9P, AIM-54 all at home so how difficult it would be to convert this into a 2xFJ-44, Grifo-E, AIM-9X blkIII, PL-15/R-77M for the nation that ranks 9th in the STEM R&D by SJR ? Countries forget the balance and then pay the price in wars. I am glad they did not neglect the air defense. So at Atleast a force of 200 4th generation interceptors will have to do 25 % of the job while 75 % can be taken by the multi-layered Ambush SAMS.

well my theory is that air force see kowsar-I as trainer , and plan to invest in kowsar-II and for that our (Turbofan Engine must become ready. i think turbo fan engine go into Kowsar-II not Kowsar-III)

by the way FJ-44 engine is more efficient than OWJ but not more powerful than OWJ so it can't go into kowsar-II , it only can be used as a replacement of owj in kowsar-I our engine for big UAV's or private jets for corporations. but for an interceptor it won't cut it

 

[925boy]

You can hand over your entire drone arsenal and the Russians are still not going to give you any engine or jet engine technology. You're extremely naive if you think so.

This isnt what you REALLY wanted to say. lemme tell you what you really meant to say:

You can hand over your entire T-129 Turkish attach helicopter arsenal and the Americans are still not going to give you any engine or jet engine technology. You're extremely naive if you think so.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Now 275 km SOM stealth Cruise Missiles can eat all İranian Air Defense Systems for breakfast
also soon AKINCI UCAV to carry 8 x 250 km KUZGUN-TJ missiles with IIR seeker

not target Drone but Kamikaze Drone with warhead to hit targets from 200 km away
SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone has warhead similar to MAM-L guided Bomb's warhead

Turkiye turned SIMSEK target Drone into a turbojet engined Kamikaze Drone

as i said Systems like Majid air defense eat it alive for breakfast m lunch and dinner

 

[925boy]

US is the world largest oil producer

but not largest exporter, which is what matters.

. If US wants to increase oil production, it can easily do it by simply losing restrictions on US oil companies.

thats a lie- equipment and commoditty shortages (steel for eg) and labor shortages prevent Us companies from ramping up oil, why lie?

Right now most if not all federal land and coastal areas are off limits to oil companies.

just go away with your lies.