Iran To Discuss Su-30SM and T-90 Deals During Moscow Visit

[AmirPatriot]

Actually one of many Iranian tribes or am I wrong bro?

I'm pretty sure it's an ethnic group, though we call them "Fars" (like Fars province), then the Greeks come and change that to Pars/Pers-->Persis-->Persians.

 

[VEVAK]

a F-16 can't take on a F-35 in a simulated dog fight it out manerved the F-35, but in a real scenario it would never even get to that point


case and point

https://warisboring.com/don-t-think...-does-in-this-realistic-war-game-fc10706ba9f4

You got it back words buddy because in real life it will be worse! Your sim's have absolutely no Idea what the enemy's tactics will be!

F-35 is JUNK!! It's a turkey! And it is absolutely not an airsuperriority fighter! It's mission is to make money not win wars!

It's a slow moving, none maneuverable, illogically over priced toy!

It's speed is slower than most modern fighters! It can't even out maneuver an F-16 let alone a super maneuverability aircraft

It's priced like a force multiplier but it can't even beat an F-16 in simulation let alone in combat!

Yes it has a helmet mounted display which is nothing really new for Russian Aircrafts!

And if you think having a touch screen TV in your cockpit instead of MFD is going to some how increase the fighters capability then your badly mistake!

The F-35 is like an apple laptop or lets say apple products in general! It looks absolutely awesome!! but when it comes down to it you can find a Dell or HP that's far more capable with higher computing power at half the price! And yet at the end of the day people buy Apple products but in reality ppl don't buy them because they are more capable than other computers they buy them because they are cool and look nice!

 

[NaCon]

You got it back words buddy because in real life it will be worse! Your sim's have absolutely no Idea what the enemy's tactics will be!

F-35 is JUNK!! It's a turkey! And it is absolutely not an airsuperriority fighter! It's mission is to make money not win wars!

It's a slow moving, none maneuverable, illogically over priced toy!

It's speed is slower than most modern fighters! It can't even out maneuver an F-16 let alone a super maneuverability aircraft

It's priced like a force multiplier but it can't even beat an F-16 in simulation let alone in combat!

Yes it has a helmet mounted display which is nothing really new for Russian Aircrafts!

And if you think having a touch screen TV in your cockpit instead of MFD is going to some how increase the fighters capability then your badly mistake!

The F-35 is like an apple laptop or lets say apple products in general! It looks absolutely awesome!! but when it comes down to it you can find a Dell or HP that's far more capable with higher computing power at half the price! And yet at the end of the day people buy Apple products but in reality ppl don't buy them because they are more capable than other computers they buy them because they are cool and look nice!

look VEVAK the f35 program hasn't been managed properly and it certainly could have been run a lot smoother but to say that the f-35 is a turkey is just ignorance and not understanding the modern battlefield. Do you really think that the U.S government is stupid enough to invest almost a trillion dollars into an aircraft that is subpar. as much as the U.S government is corrupt they have the strongest most experienced army in the world. furthermore you should look at china that is trying to copy the F35 and are investing a lot of money in there 5th generation fighter program. Russia also has 5th generation fighter program and theirs too is facing a lot of problems and bumps and until now there T-50/PakFa looks inferior to the F-35. So just because you disagree with US policies in your region and consider them as your enemy it doesn't mean that they build rubbish fighters in fact they have the most advanced fighters in the world.

 

[VEVAK]

The littoral meaning of the word Iran is = Land of Aryans
The Arian tribe were a group of people that lived on the eastern coast of the Caspian sea and later migrated

Persian, Azaris, Kurds, Lurs, Tajiks, Baluch, Turkman,... are all Iranic ppls of the Aryan tribe

Iranians have called their country "Iran" for over 1000 years!

 

[VEVAK]

look VEVAK the f35 program hasn't been managed properly and it certainly could have been run a lot smoother but to say that the f-35 is a turkey is just ignorance and not understanding the modern battlefield. Do you really think that the U.S government is stupid enough to invest almost a trillion dollars into an aircraft that is subpar. as much as the U.S government is corrupt they have the strongest most experienced army in the world. furthermore you should look at china that is trying to copy the F35 and are investing a lot of money in there 5th generation fighter program. Russia also has 5th generation fighter program and theirs too is facing a lot of problems and bumps and until now there T-50/PakFa looks inferior to the F-35. So just because you disagree with US policies in your region and consider them as your enemy it doesn't mean that they build rubbish fighters in fact they have the most advanced fighters in the world.

1st off in my book whomever thinks the F-35 is more capable than the T-50 is absolutely delusional and knows absolutely nothing!


U.S. government is not stupid! They build the most advanced fighter in the world (F-22) that's so advanced they wouldn't even sell it to their closest ally next to it they build an aircraft (F-35) that looks awesome and is absolutely sellable and give it an outrageous price tag! And people will buy just as they buy Apple products! But that doesn't make the aircraft a capable fighter!


Unlike the F-22 that's a far more capable aircraft whos sale has been banned U.S. is going to make back every penny on the F-35 and then some! That aircraft was built to make money!


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ney-halted-f-35-engine-delivery-over-titanium

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/we-finally-know-why-an-f-35-burned-on-the-runway-1630541564

F-35's main goal is to make money not win wars

 

[AmirPatriot]

look VEVAK the f35 program hasn't been managed properly and it certainly could have been run a lot smoother but to say that the f-35 is a turkey is just ignorance and not understanding the modern battlefield. Do you really think that the U.S government is stupid enough to invest almost a trillion dollars into an aircraft that is subpar. as much as the U.S government is corrupt they have the strongest most experienced army in the world. furthermore you should look at china that is trying to copy the F35 and are investing a lot of money in there 5th generation fighter program. Russia also has 5th generation fighter program and theirs too is facing a lot of problems and bumps and until now there T-50/PakFa looks inferior to the F-35. So just because you disagree with US policies in your region and consider them as your enemy it doesn't mean that they build rubbish fighters in fact they have the most advanced fighters in the world.

Just because the USGOV is powerful doesn't mean it is invulnerable to stupid decisions. They didn't learn from the F-111 and went out to make another all-in-1 plane. That never works. You can't make a design that incorporates the design of a V/STOL aircraft without severely limiting the performance of all versions.

No multirole jet designed to be multirole has ever succeeded as such. The F-4 was a navy interceptor adapted to other roles, and it was incredibly successful. The F-16 was a pure bred dogfighter - initial versions didn't even have a radar - but it was adapted to a fully multirole aircraft. The F-15 was designed as a "no pound for air to ground" air superiority fighter jet, yet it was adapted to incredibly successful "strike eagle" versions.

The F-111, on the other hand, was designed to be a strike, electronic warfare and interceptor jet, but because it was so heavy and unmaneuvrable it only ever succeeded in the strike/electronic warfare aircraft.

The F-35 will probably be decent at strike/ewar because of its stealth and high incorporation of technology. But it's too slow, too unmaneuvrable and has too little stealth payload (only fits 4 missiles internally).

 

[waz]

Iran should go for the SU-35.

 

[C130]

The combat effectiveness of the buggy slow unmaneuvrable F-35 Brick is nowhere near decisive.

Wrt ATGMs - no tank in the world can reliably survive a direct hit from a top attack ATGM, because tanks have such little armour on the top.

The way to go to defeat ATGMs is active defence systems like the Shtora.

Regardless, I'd rather Iran only buys what it cannot make. Buy Su-30s but make tanks ourselves.

slow unmaneuverable brick

http://theaviationist.com/2016/03/0...g-in-the-f-35-a-jsf-pilot-first-hand-account/


now let's say this is 100% true. does it mater? when the F-35 sees you first from well over 300NM away, and then can come at you from your flank or backside (blindside) get well within AIM-9X range and let that little bastard do the rest as highly agile M 2.7 missile with 50G> turn rate

 

[jammersat]

Call us Iran and Iranians please. Persia/Persians are one of many Iranic ethnic groups in Iran, Persia has never been the name of the country known by Iranians.

It was infact the Brits (where you live) who called it Persia , Reza kan changed the name to iran , to cater to hitler's gentiles and you know the story better than me ..

 

[NaCon]

Just because the USGOV is powerful doesn't mean it is invulnerable to stupid decisions. They didn't learn from the F-111 and went out to make another all-in-1 plane. That never works. You can't make a design that incorporates the design of a V/STOL aircraft without severely limiting the performance of all versions.

No multirole jet designed to be multirole has ever succeeded as such. The F-4 was a navy interceptor adapted to other roles, and it was incredibly successful. The F-16 was a pure bred dogfighter - initial versions didn't even have a radar - but it was adapted to a fully multirole aircraft. The F-15 was designed as a "no pound for air to ground" air superiority fighter jet, yet it was adapted to incredibly successful "strike eagle" versions.

The F-111, on the other hand, was designed to be a strike, electronic warfare and interceptor jet, but because it was so heavy and unmaneuvrable it only ever succeeded in the strike/electronic warfare aircraft.

The F-35 will probably be decent at strike/ewar because of its stealth and high incorporation of technology. But it's too slow, too unmaneuvrable and has too little stealth payload (only fits 4 missiles internally).

too slow?!?!? it can supercruise. while its internal weapons load is small its overall load is bigger than the A10 and those regards its a very capable machine in fact it is better than its predecessors,besides not all missions need stealth.

 

[AmirPatriot]

too slow?!?!? it can supercruise. while its internal weapons load is small its overall load is bigger than the A10 and those regards its a very capable machine in fact it is better than its predecessors,besides not all missions need stealth.

Who the hell told you it can supercruise? No way in hell can it do that. I think you're confusing it with the F-22.

By taking away that stealth, you're taking the biggest thing that plane has going for it. After that its electronics, but that can he fitted to anything, and jammed. Take away stealth and it's all but a sitting duck.

 

[VEVAK]

too slow?!?!? it can supercruise. while its internal weapons load is small its overall load is bigger than the A10 and those regards its a very capable machine in fact it is better than its predecessors,besides not all missions need stealth.

F-35's max speed is Mach 1.6 VS Su-30 Mach 2

F-35's max range is 2,200 KM VS Su-30's 3,000 KM

Su-30's Service ceiling is also about 10,000 Ft higher than the F-35 and even without TVC it can out maneuver the F-35 any day and with it, it will do waltz around the F-35 and make it it's b....

And that's just the Su-30 the F-35 is not even in the same leage as T-50! LOL!

As I said, you know nothing!

 

[NaCon]

F-35's max speed is Mach 1.6 VS Su-30 Mach 2

F-35's max range is 2,200 KM VS Su-30's 3,000 KM

Su-30's Service ceiling is also about 10,000 Ft higher than the F-35 and even without TVC it can out maneuver the F-35 any day and with it, it will do waltz around the F-35 and make it it's b....

And that's just the Su-30 the F-35 is not even in the same leage as T-50! LOL!

As I said, you know nothing!

well i want to ask you a question how long can the Su fighters maintain their top speed vs how long the f35 can and besides the t 50 cant even supercruise yet, it might be able in the future but as of now it can't.

Who the hell told you it can supercruise? No way in hell can it do that. I think you're confusing it with the F-22.

By taking away that stealth, you're taking the biggest thing that plane has going for it. After that its electronics, but that can he fitted to anything, and jammed. Take away stealth and it's all but a sitting duck.

the f35 can fly supersonic for relatively short distances 150 ish miles without using afterburners.

 

[AmirPatriot]

well i want to ask you a question how long can the Su fighters maintain their top speed vs how long the f35 can and besides the t 50 cant even supercruise yet, it might be able in the future but as of now it can't.

Absolute trash. The Su-50 supercruises at M1.6. It recently posted a record 384 m/s climb rate.

the f35 can fly supersonic for relatively short distances 150 ish miles without using afterburners.

That's a myth.

https://m.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/37twlx/busting_the_f35_can_supercruise_myth/

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Su 30SM is a good aircraft. It would be a good match for legacy F-15's. Saudi F-15's are not legacy.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-a-fully-armed-f-15sa-the-most-advanced-product-1715732294