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Iran tests home-made stealth fighter

No sarcasm at all. What I said is very true. The F-117, even with a lot of money behind it, still took about ten years from paper to flight. Same for the F-22.

Well Iran doesn't have the amount of Human capital America has, but if the Ministry of Defence of Iran allocated the same amount of resources the Missile industry gets, then i don't think a fairly decent plane (at the very least better than the F-14, which is still very advanced) being built within the next 10 years is too unbelievable. If they allocated enough money, they could get help from Russia.

However the problem is, even if we create F-22s America would still win conventionally therefore all the investment is going in asymmetrical warfare, until we reach a point where we are no longer threatened.
 
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hammy was telling me that they helped us with our missile program as well lol.

and when n where did i say that, provide the link plzz

at indians, indians always say this in an immature way in the youtube, so carry on
 
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No sarcasm at all. What I said is very true. The F-117, even with a lot of money behind it, still took about ten years from paper to flight. Same for the F-22.

Another thing i'd like to say is that with very little investment in our defence industry, (it's the smallest our region in Per capita even though we have enemies on either side) we've managed to achieve a lot, not only have we been able to maintain our American aircraft without spare parts for 30 years, we are self sufficient in most things. What's impressive is not the stage that we're at now, but the speed that we reached it and the speed at which we're advancing.
 
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Spot on. Unfortunately no pakistani will like to believe this. They are used to live in self dellusion.

Ho does inidan missiles look like! fire balls?
All missiles looks like rockets.......having aerodynamic nose housing guidance radar, exhaust at bottom bomb in the middle. they all look alike from outside. and those cartoons does not reflect the true shapes.
BTW... we have much more in our arsnel e.g. cruise missiles which may look like any other cruise missile!
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Fact remains Pakistan is producing wepons which other states failed to develop despite spending billions and all the support from far more developed states than China. :tdown:

I hold my reply on disillusioned Pakistani....comment of yours.
 
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Guys look at the below pictures and decide for yourself. Shaheen is exact 100 Xerox copy of chinese M11. Actually off-the-shelf imported hardware (just change in paint colour) termed as "indigenious".
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i rather not reply a troll on fire :flame: but then here is a bitter pill for you to swallow. Pakistan has copied missiles or nukes how is that going to make them any less potent, its hurts right!!! the reality of Pakistan having nukes! so deal with it and keep on thinking they are not made in PAKISTAN, as if it matters.:bunny:
 
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Excuse me, but haven't posters digressed here a lot from the main topic? I mean, the last time I remember checking the thread name, it was related to Iranian "stealth" fighter aircraft and not ballistic missiles.

There is not reason to bring both the categories and then compare them. North Korea has learnt to make ballistic missiles but its still nowhere near making even a decent third generation aircraft and heavily relies on China and Russia.

Therefore, I request all my fellow respected members here to return to the topic: Stealth fighter
 
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Keep the discussion as per the thread title, no need to bring in other topic discussion.

Abi, keep the discussion as per the topic, I remember well to have busted your disillusion about the missile thingy, which you are spreading here after having run away from that thread. So don't make a mess of this thread.

And for other members, no need to get personal and throw mud on each other, keep the discussion civilized, or else log off before thrown out.
 
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Iran's Air Forces: Struggling to Maintain Readiness
By Fariborz Haghshenass
December 22, 2005

Recent events, including the launch of Iran's first space imaging satellite, the announcement that Russia is selling Iran twenty-nine Tor-M1 (SA-15 Gauntlet) mobile short-range surface-to-air missile systems for $700 million, and the crash of an air force C-130 transport plane into an apartment block in Tehran, have focused attention on Iran's evolving air and aerospace power capabilities, as well as on Iran's longstanding problems in maintaining its aging fleet of military and civilian aircraft.

A Force Divided

Iran's air forces are divided between the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) and Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps Air Force (IRGCAF).

The IRIAF is by far the larger and more capable service. Its main role is to defend Iran against foreign enemies; in the event of invasion, this might include long-range offensive missions. To this end, it operates some two hundred and twenty combat aircraft (F-14A Tomcats, F-4D/E Phantoms, F-5E/F Tigers, Su-24MKs, MiG-29A/UBs, Mirage F-1EQs, and F-7Ns) at various states of readiness; around fifteen reconnaissance aircraft (RF-4Es and RF-5As); at least one hundred training aircraft (F-5B Simorghs, FT-7s, PC-7/S-68s, and F-33 Bonanza/Parastoos); some forty-five transport/tanker aircraft (Boeing 707s and 747s, C-130E/H Hercules, and Fokker F27 Friendships); around thirty-five helicopters used for search and rescue and transport; and four P-3F Orions for maritime surveillance of the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. The IRIAF also operates a unit equipped with the Zelzal surface-to-surface missile, which has a range of up to 300 kilometers (the IRGC also deploys Zelzal missiles).

The IRGCAF provides close air support (CAS) and lift capabilities for the IRGC's rapid reaction units. The backbone of the IRGCAF consists of ten Su-25 Frogfoot attack aircraft (including seven flown from Iraq to Iran during the 1991 Gulf War, kept airworthy with the help of Georgian technicians) and around forty EMB-312 Tucanos -- its main CAS aircraft. The IRGCAF also maintains thirty Y-12 and Dassault Falcon 20 light transports, as well as MFI-17 Mushaqs and Super Mushaqs trainers and locally built Ababil and Mohajer reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

The IRGCAF also operates a sizeable rotary-wing force consisting of around twenty Mi-171 helicopters for transport and armed assault roles, and a large transport force out of Shiraz, equipped with around fifteen ex-Iraqi Il-76s (originally operated by the IRIAF) and twelve An-74T-200 transports. Due to its internal security function, the IRGC puts great importance on rapid deployment and airborne operations and regularly practices the airborne insertion of troops and equipment over relatively long ranges.

Finally, the IRGCAF operates several hundred short- and medium-range mobile ballistic missiles, including the Shahab-3/3B with a range of up to 2,000 kilometers, which is the mainstay of Iran's strategic deterrent. If Iran ever produces nuclear weapons, the IRGCAF will likely control them.

Institutional Rivalries and Tensions

Rivalries between the IRIAF and the IRGCAF during the early stages of the Iran-Iraq War precluded effective cooperation between the two air services. The war taught the IRGC commanders that they needed to be able to operate independently, which required organizing their ranks into ground, air, and naval arms like the regular armed forces. As a result, in 1986 Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini ordered the creation of three separate branches of the IRGC, including an air force. Not surprisingly, the new service lacked the necessary technical expertise, and the ruling clerics instructed it to pass its first "advanced" fighter aircraft, Chinese Chengdu F-7s, on to the IRIAF. Since then, the IRIAF and the IRGCAF have had a tense relationship. They are not known ever to have held a single joint exercise; it is therefore unclear whether they could operate together effectively in the event of a crisis.

Despite its current status as junior partner, the IRGCAF could eventually supplant the IRIAF as the dominant air service as a result of its relatively generous funding, its active recruitment of the best graduates from technical degree granting programs, and the rising influence of IRGC-affiliated politicians, such as President Mahmoud Ahmadinezhad. In contrast, the IRIAF has been struggling to compensate for the loss of growing numbers of experienced technical personnel and aircrews to retirement; it has responded by pooling its existing technicians into centralized task forces. In the early days after the Islamic Revolution, it failed to create the training infrastructure needed to grow a new generation of technical specialists -- a problem only partly rectified by the creation of Sattari Air University following the war with Iraq. In light of these problems, it is not inconceivable that Iran's two air arms might eventually merge in order to create a leaner, more efficient, and more effective organization better able to deal with future challenges.

Aviation Industry

The Islamic revolution resulted in the departure of more than 40,000 American military advisors from Iran. In March 1979 the U.S. government banned any further foreign military sales or transfers to Iran, and by November 1979 the U.S. government officially suspended all licenses for export to that country. Compounding Iran's problems, Iraq invaded in September 1980.

Sanctions forced Iran toward self-sufficiency in operating, maintaining, repairing, and modifying its existing American-built systems. The IRIAF was at the forefront of these efforts, as it had been the military branch most dependent on American assistance.

The IRIAF initially decided to produce aircraft spare parts for its own use. Teams of experts established relationships with local universities and technical schools, and by the final stages of the Iran-Iraq War, the IRIAF's Self-Sufficiency Jihad directorate (formerly the Industrial Research Unit) had set up depot-level maintenance shops in several air bases around the country. These shops were responsible for repairing systems worn out or damaged by the war.

While doing depot-level maintenance and repair, IRIAF experts drew up blueprints for aircraft parts, so that they might be reverse-engineered, using methods very similar to those used by China. A close relationship developed between the military-industrial complexes of the two countries. Many Western systems were shared with Beijing, which in turn helped Iran set up production lines for the local manufacture of these parts.

Today, Iran's aviation industries produce flight avionics and communications gear, two types of engines, airframes, in-flight refueling gear, and flight simulators. In addition, the IRIAF has produced a variety of ordnance, including both "dumb" (unguided) and "smart" (guided) bombs and air-to-air, air-to-ground, and surface-to-air missiles, including the Fatter air-to-air missile (a Sidewinder lookalike), the Sedjil (an air-to-air version of the Hawk surface-to-air missile), the AGM-379/20 Zoobin, the GBU-67/B Qadr, and the Sattar laser-guided air-to-ground missile.

The IRIAF has also begun producing aircraft. Recent examples include the Tazarve jet-trainer and the Saegheh fighter (the latter is based on the F-5E, but has a twin vertical tail configuration to improve takeoff and maneuvering performance). Both aircraft remain in the prototype stage, and Iranian industry still has a ways to go to establish a viable design and production base.

As for the IRGCAF, it has improved its technical base by concentrating most of its capability in a semicorporate entity, the Pars Aviation Services Company, which maintains the IRGCAF's own combat and transport fleet and provides services to local airlines that operate seventeen Tupolev Tu-154 passenger planes. Yet despite significant strides in this area, Iran continues to experience problems maintaining its aging fleet of military and civilian aircraft, a fact that has contributed to a number of major aviation disasters in the past decade.

Current Trends

Iran is the only country in the region that does not receive ongoing support from the original manufacturers of its weapons systems. Until very recently, Russia had not been deeply involved in the maintenance of Iran's Eastern bloc weapon systems. Moreover, as a result of U.S. pressure, Russia has refused to provide Iran with newer combat aircraft beyond those ordered in the late 1980s and early 1990s, though Russia recently agreed to upgrade and modernize the avionics and weapons systems in Iran's existing fleet of MiG-29 and Su-24 aircraft. As far as new purchases are concerned, Iran has largely had to settle for semi-obsolescent designs from China.

Nonetheless, the Iranian air and air defense forces can count on the advantage conferred by strategic depth and a domestic military-industrial capacity, which has enabled Iran to keep aloft an aging aircraft fleet in the face of wars and sanctions.

Iran's senior military leaders know that its air forces would not be able to resist an invasion by a major power such as the United States. As a result, Iran has not focused on creating a large military, but rather has emphasized making the most of its existing capabilities by developing the abilities to conduct continuous, day and night operations through the development of night vision equipment; to wage asymmetrical warfare by creating a large popular militia (the Basij) and sea denial capabilities; and to strike even its most distant enemies by acquiring reconnaissance satellites, high altitude reconnaissance and strike UAVs, and short- and medium-range ballistic missile systems.

Fariborz Haghshenass is an expert on the Iranian military.

I am doubtfull about their claim.:D
 
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what's wrong? does iran have too many friends and allies? lets be honest here, it's not north korea in danger of a regime change. besides, north korea's MiGs can be supplied from china for free if they are invaded, what about iran?

also iranian logistics is going to be a nightmare, you have planes from 5 different countries all using different systems. north korea has equipment from 3 countries, itself/china/russia, and chinese technology is compatible with russian (but not the other way around).

1-Iran never want unreliable ally 2- only Iranian can change Iran regime but even you Chinese are not capable to effect your monarchy elites system3- China is sacred of US and voting against all its friends even N.K, so should i believe china will provide weapon to N.K?4- now China is sick of money and US tech so ready to sell her old friend like N.K to US.

please do not talk about chinese help when crisis become hot
 
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i cannot believe these iranians are making cheap shots at pakistan missiles which were developed long before iranian once, now iranians during their national threat of being attacked by foreginers in the wake of their nuclear development(tech provided by pak) are suddenly coming up with these missiles and claiming these are developed by them. oil power speaks a lot btw.

why do you compare Iran and Pak? Iran and Pak neither are enemy nor rival.
I can not understand why when we talk about Iran some friends feel unconformable?unless Rigi did Iran and Pak have big challenge? for sure not.

oil has power but not against freinds.
 
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and i applaud iran for being independent but unfortunately this is the time where being independent takes a secondary priority to surviving as a nation-state. north korea has survived, without surrendering any autonomy to any other country. can iran do the same this year? the world is waiting anxiously.

russia, china and maybe even india won't let iran go down though.

i think being dead independent even is better than being alive but slave of others.
look at the history, every nation feared then occupied.
as long as Chinese did not get brave Tianjin, Dalian ,.... many places were under Japanese control but as soon as you get enough brave to fight with them you got back your country even with less tech
 
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Your missiles are Chinese and NK missiles with a different name, there are no changes and no upgrades. Iran's missiles were originally based on the Nodong which we have long improved on and now we have the Sejil, more advanced than anything Pakistan has bought from China.

It is ridiculous to say Pakistan has helped Iran, the only thing "Iranian" you've helped is Jundullah.

we must forget Rigi, he was a Saudi made cancer for Iran and Pak relation
 
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The topic is an Iranian 'stealth' fighter. If people remain 'on topic' this thread would not have gone as far as it is. The idea of an Iranian 'stealth' fighter is a joke and it has gone stale a long time ago. So what else is there for people to do but to do but go off topic?

if you are right, good for you, then why americam commanders are so scared of Iran? just go to their several reports about war against Iran.
 
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if you are right, good for you, then why americam commanders are so scared of Iran? just go to their several reports about war against Iran.

american commanders are not afraid of iran a war would last less than a month, there are other much larger/more powerful foes for them to be "afraid" of. of course American media like to report others as very powerful (most of the time china or russia) to get more funding or other goals
 
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