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Iran tests home-made stealth fighter

1-Iran never want unreliable ally 2- only Iranian can change Iran regime but even you Chinese are not capable to effect your monarchy elites system3- China is sacred of US and voting against all its friends even N.K, so should i believe china will provide weapon to N.K?4- now China is sick of money and US tech so ready to sell her old friend like N.K to US.

please do not talk about chinese help when crisis become hot

unreliable allies? ... u mean no allies

china scared of us? right of course chian is scared of the us but iran is very brave

and china is not a all weather friend of n.korea anymore their dictator is out of his mind, n. korea is only good as a buffer state now and only thing they have on china is the millions of refugees coming into china if the regime falls the last time china wants is nuclear arms race in asia
 
i think being dead independent even is better than being alive but slave of others.
look at the history, every nation feared then occupied.
as long as Chinese did not get brave Tianjin, Dalian ,.... many places were under Japanese control but as soon as you get enough brave to fight with them you got back your country even with less tech

looking at history only shows when the government is weak the state is taken advantage of by other as shown by the qing dynasty in china but when the CCP and nationalist got together and their leadership was able to hold off japan even with the backwards military china had at the time, it has nothing to do with the bravery of the soldiers
 
applesauce..correction no nation is scared of us they know they've no technological output to challenge us but they've will to fight to the end..
There is 0% chances of China being scared of us. Threat there is always threat and China is doing all so to prepare for it Scared? no my friend re-assess again.
 
if you are right, good for you, then why americam commanders are so scared of Iran? just go to their several reports about war against Iran.

American commanders are not scared of Iran. What scares american commanders most is, ironically, the american people.

If you look at american military history, you will see that they have always lost after public opinion turned against them. They lost in Vietnam when american public put pressure on them to withdraw. And now they are planning to leave Iraq and Afghanistan due to public being averse to those wars

But when USA has public support, they will sweep anything before them, like in WW2 which was much costlier in lives and money than Vietnam or WoT.

Even in Iraq War, american public supported US invasion, but they did not support US occupation. I think it'll be the same case with Iran. If USA attacks, and just attacks, but not occupies, then Iran will be in some trouble, since US military tech is much more advanced. USA can just use stealth aircraft to attack Iranian targets.

But if USA decides to occupy Iran, it'll end in another defeat for USA. Iran will put up a stiff challenge with guerilla tactics, and the US public will be baying for the blood of US generals.
 
Good post by su -47.
and iran's claim of stealth fighter development is not really feasible,as iran has lost all credibility after photoshopping the last times when the initial pictures showed 3 sam launches,while 2 only were achieved.and they still posted these on the world media,shows how desperate they are ,no other country would have posted pictures of failed missile launches as success but i think iran is desperate enough that it took 2 successes as enough for them.and that was sam tech. stealth tech?
no offense, but the age when religious zeal and fanatiscm swept aside every enemy in their path ended with the invention of gunpowder.
 
American commanders are not scared of Iran. What scares american commanders most is, ironically, the american people.

If you look at american military history, you will see that they have always lost after public opinion turned against them. They lost in Vietnam when american public put pressure on them to withdraw. And now they are planning to leave Iraq and Afghanistan due to public being averse to those wars

But when USA has public support, they will sweep anything before them, like in WW2 which was much costlier in lives and money than Vietnam or WoT.

Even in Iraq War, american public supported US invasion, but they did not support US occupation. I think it'll be the same case with Iran. If USA attacks, and just attacks, but not occupies, then Iran will be in some trouble, since US military tech is much more advanced. USA can just use stealth aircraft to attack Iranian targets.

But if USA decides to occupy Iran, it'll end in another defeat for USA. Iran will put up a stiff challenge with guerilla tactics, and the US public will be baying for the blood of US generals.

when i say US is afraid of Iran it does not mean they can not attack.
it means Iran is not easy target and will fightback which US army is not used to get responds for their target.
US can harm Iran with air force attack and will lose some warplane but i seriously doubt US ground force can inter Iran Iran from Persian Gulf and west and east sides well protected. only Caspian sea does not have Iran military but geographically US can not inter from there.
but very important point is Iran will take down US with herself and power shifting will accelerate, US wont be able to stay in first power position in world anymore. this is US main concern
 
Good post by su -47.
and iran's claim of stealth fighter development is not really feasible,as iran has lost all credibility after photoshopping the last times when the initial pictures showed 3 sam launches,while 2 only were achieved.and they still posted these on the world media,shows how desperate they are ,no other country would have posted pictures of failed missile launches as success but i think iran is desperate enough that it took 2 successes as enough for them.and that was sam tech. stealth tech?
no offense, but the age when religious zeal and fanatiscm swept aside every enemy in their path ended with the invention of gunpowder.

yes there is a debate about feasibility of project in Iran from economical point of view, but it does not mean this project is stopped. as long as money comes project will work.
1/2 scale of stealth already flew.
fake photo of missile is western media made joke and worthless to answer that
 
American commanders are not scared of Iran. What scares american commanders most is, ironically, the american people.

If you look at american military history, you will see that they have always lost after public opinion turned against them. They lost in Vietnam when american public put pressure on them to withdraw. And now they are planning to leave Iraq and Afghanistan due to public being averse to those wars

But when USA has public support, they will sweep anything before them, like in WW2 which was much costlier in lives and money than Vietnam or WoT.

Even in Iraq War, american public supported US invasion, but they did not support US occupation. I think it'll be the same case with Iran. If USA attacks, and just attacks, but not occupies, then Iran will be in some trouble, since US military tech is much more advanced. USA can just use stealth aircraft to attack Iranian targets.

But if USA decides to occupy Iran, it'll end in another defeat for USA. Iran will put up a stiff challenge with guerilla tactics, and the US public will be baying for the blood of US generals.

Don't think so, they lost Vietnam because Soviets and China propped Vietnam up and told the US not 1 step over the 17th parallel, and they didn't. As for air raids, you can check up on how many planes got downed by North Vietnamese (actually Chinese owned, armed and operated) anti-aircraft fire. It was so bad that they were forced to retire the F-105 because so many had been shot down (382/830). The F-4 that replaced it didn't fare better, 760 F-4's were lost in Vietnam.

"The RF-4C was operated by four squadrons,[59] and of the 83 losses, 72 were in combat including 38 over North Vietnam (seven to SAMs and 65 to AAA).[58] By war's end the U.S. Air Force had lost a total of 528 F-4 and RF-4C Phantoms. When combined with U.S. Naval and Marine losses of 233 Phantoms, 761 F-4/RF-4 Phantoms were lost in the Vietnam War." F-4 Phantom II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was not a "political loss" as the US propaganda shows, the US military knows itself that it was a hard military loss.

Well, it was a political loss in the sense that when your country loses 1000 planes to a seemingly weak and backwards 3rd world country, the public hates your military.

If Iran gets the same help Vietnam got during the 1960's, I don't think the US would do very well.
 
Get help from who?the entire middle east hates iran for some reason,and unlike vietnam where supplies could be directly recieved from adjacent china,ussr through china,here is not the case.
iran is on its own,now us in afganisthan is going to stay busy,but they are withdrawing from iraq in a rapid pace,so after the withdrawal is complete,us could just feel free to attack iran.
now lot of members are saying 11 million paramilitary forces and huge standing army will crush us land forces and all that but they have to understand modern wars are won by concentrating firepower rather than manpower.
now they say that iran if attacked will attack puny american land force in afganisthan and sweep it away.the problem is lack of air cover,in a modern war no offensive action is possible without air supremacy as egypt learned vs israel.secondly when attacking u have to operate outside ur country that is ur natural logistical base.its no good having millions of personnel if u can't keep them supplied,tanks need ammunition,vehicles need spares,artillery shells and the army ammunition.to keep ur army in a fighting condition u must have an industrial base to continously build these and supply them.these are not like days when people fought with swords.
first of all, us army intelligence is second to none,any mass concentration of land forces will be picked up by satellites and jstor intelligence planes.and they will come under murderous aerial strafing and bombing and ur supply lines interdicted and industrial base under assault.so i am afraid iran will have to eventually resort to guerilla fighting afghan style.luckily for them they have a large pool of motivated manpower to do that,however they don't have safe haven from american forces like taliban had in nwfp to regroup after setbacks.so they just have to hold tight and wait for u.s public opinion to shift.
The unfortunate or fortunate[depending on ur pov] fact is no nation at present can really win a conventional war against usa.it is a fact we must live with.:frown:
 
applesauce..correction no nation is scared of us they know they've no technological output to challenge us but they've will to fight to the end..
There is 0% chances of China being scared of us. Threat there is always threat and China is doing all so to prepare for it Scared? no my friend re-assess again.

it was sarcasm, china wouldn't have butted heads with the us so often if they were scared the us couldnt ever win a ground war in china anyways
 
yes the whatever thing they've designed/develop might not be what they claim my fella Pakistani members they've copied but atleast develop helicopters while we're begging..something is better than nothing right?

iran will be the next china in modern warfare, equipment, and i think they are way far ahead but they dont want the world to know their actual capabilities. As for pak they keep begging they have the tot for agosta 90, jf17, f22p still they cant make their own stuff still waiting for others to give them more for free like beggers. By now they should have made 6 F22p, atleast 7 agosta 90 the whole country is full of beggers and looters, from the main streets to the parliment house. Iran would have been better of in acquiring these tots then us. very sad
 
THe news is true?

if true then congrats my iranian brothers

Iran is going toward indigious ness..

we only hav one aircraft which is JV nt indigious
f-22p with TOT nothing new..

our this govt is nothing doing for defence

only mush was good for defense
 
Get help from who?the entire middle east hates iran for some reason,and unlike vietnam where supplies could be directly recieved from adjacent china,ussr through china,here is not the case.
iran is on its own,now us in afganisthan is going to stay busy,but they are withdrawing from iraq in a rapid pace,so after the withdrawal is complete,us could just feel free to attack iran.
now lot of members are saying 11 million paramilitary forces and huge standing army will crush us land forces and all that but they have to understand modern wars are won by concentrating firepower rather than manpower.
now they say that iran if attacked will attack puny american land force in afganisthan and sweep it away.the problem is lack of air cover,in a modern war no offensive action is possible without air supremacy as egypt learned vs israel.secondly when attacking u have to operate outside ur country that is ur natural logistical base.its no good having millions of personnel if u can't keep them supplied,tanks need ammunition,vehicles need spares,artillery shells and the army ammunition.to keep ur army in a fighting condition u must have an industrial base to continously build these and supply them.these are not like days when people fought with swords.
first of all, us army intelligence is second to none,any mass concentration of land forces will be picked up by satellites and jstor intelligence planes.and they will come under murderous aerial strafing and bombing and ur supply lines interdicted and industrial base under assault.so i am afraid iran will have to eventually resort to guerilla fighting afghan style.luckily for them they have a large pool of motivated manpower to do that,however they don't have safe haven from american forces like taliban had in nwfp to regroup after setbacks.so they just have to hold tight and wait for u.s public opinion to shift.
The unfortunate or fortunate[depending on ur pov] fact is no nation at present can really win a conventional war against usa.it is a fact we must live with.:frown:

US does not have the balls to win against iran nor north korea on its own even having all those technology there are plenty of counter measures to all the high tech that US has. If afghanistan was backed by russians or any other country then US had no chance to walk around in afghan with their chest full of air, unfortunately Saddam was an ediot and a classic dum dum a puppet of the US, he was a rotwiler in the arab state that went out of control that had to be put down. he was a coward as well. if He was wise and a true leader like the iranians have, iraq would still be iraq as before maybe even lot better in economic, civil and defence aspects. :pakistan:
 
1-Iran never want unreliable ally 2- only Iranian can change Iran regime but even you Chinese are not capable to effect your monarchy elites system3- China is sacred of US and voting against all its friends even N.K, so should i believe china will provide weapon to N.K?4- now China is sick of money and US tech so ready to sell her old friend like N.K to US.

please do not talk about chinese help when crisis become hot

number of countries china has sold out: zero!

how are we selling out north korea lol? does the US dare touch north korea? lol. when the south korean ship sank, what did the US do besides whimper in the corner? if they wanted to they could've said it was north korea then bombed, but they didn't.

can iran do the same? go sink a saudi ship, see what happens?

iranians have NO allies. there is not 1 country in the world that will go to war for iran.

so if you don't want iran to be extinguished, you better start making friends. but don't worry though - china and russia will prop iran up, just because if iran falls then the US will dominate the whole middle east.

if going by the comments here, iranians are quite short sighted and stubborn. luckily, the people sitting in tehran are much wiser.
 
number of countries china has sold out: zero!

how are we selling out north korea lol? does the US dare touch north korea? lol. when the south korean ship sank, what did the US do besides whimper in the corner? if they wanted to they could've said it was north korea then bombed, but they didn't.

can iran do the same? go sink a saudi ship, see what happens?

iranians have NO allies. there is not 1 country in the world that will go to war for iran.

so if you don't want iran to be extinguished, you better start making friends. but don't worry though - china and russia will prop iran up, just because if iran falls then the US will dominate the whole middle east.

if going by the comments here, iranians are quite short sighted and stubborn. luckily, the people sitting in tehran are much wiser.

I'm concerned that going by the comments of Iranians here... :cool:
 

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