The same Arabs who defeated you culturally, religiously, historically, and IDENTICALLY
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The same Arabs who gave you their religion?
The same Arabs where you drop 3 times a day on your knees toward their lands?
The same west who install your Shah's family?
The same west who succeed to overthrow your own PM?
The same west that took everything from you?
The same west you shouted death to them and received their weapons?
The same west you begged to help you to get rid off Sadam, and the Taliban?
Lets not start again Yzd, because i do feel obliged to provide facts to discredit most of your claims like in that other thread.
1. Persians retained their culture and also as i said before and as ALL historical facts point to, Arabs were a lot more Persianized than Persians were Arabized.
2.I think you mentioned that you forced it on them earlier when we wrote to each other?
No argument against that. However, the Muslim faith might have started in the Arab peninsula. But it wasn't a "Pure Arabic" religion. And you'd do well to read about the effect Persians had on Islam.
Even to go as far as the Sassanids Protecting Mecca from Christian armies when the prophet was 6 years old etc. And lets not talk about the scholars of Islam, the structure, the praying and all. As i said, you'd do well to read how Islam was affected, not just by Persians but by most people during that time which the Muslims came in contact with. However, Persians had the greatest effect on Islam after it was started by Arabs. But it's neither a Persian or an Arabic religion. Its simply an Islamic one. As was the Empires of Islam. They weren't Arabic Empires, they were Islamic Empires.
3.No argument there, Muslims do that.
4.The
coup d'état of 1921 was partially assisted by the British government, yes. But Reza Shah was not installed by the west. His son however, in The 1953 coup d'état was. No argument there....
But the Family wasn't.
Read up more about the Treaty of Darin and how with international recognition and support, Ibn Saud continued to consolidate his power, eventually conquering nearly all of the central
Arabian Peninsula.
And lets just not get into all the dictators and etc installed by the west into Arab countries...when you look at the big picture and not just Saudi Arabia.
5.Yep that did happen, the west helped the Shah to overthrow the PM...But as i said, let's not get into what the west has done to the Arab countries when looking at the big picture and not restricting it to Saudi Arabia.
6.Took everything? What are you talking about? Iran is after Turkey and Israel, the most successful country in the middle east. Even with the help of the west, you guys still haven't become the 3rd most successful there, despite Iran having loads of sanctions and restrictions that you don't have. And you guys need the west to accomplish almost everything you guys are doing from buildings, industry, education,military,space programme etc. Iran doesn't.
7. As i said earlier, Iran relied very little on the west. It was more to the east they looked at, during the Iran-Iraq war and afterwards. And Iraq relied HEAVILY on the West. The U.S even had to go as far as to tell Saddam where to strike because he was losing the war, and that made it into a stalemate. How the hell do you not win a war with most of the world on your side, using chemical weapons and being supported in a way that very few countries ever have been during a war. Not even Israel got that much support during the Arab-Israeli wars.
And lets not get into what the Saudis are buying from the west now, and also sending in to countries and to terrorists. I even read a report of Saudis buying Israeli weapons to send to the "jihadists" in Syria.
8. Actually, if you'd do a bit of reading, you'd find out that the west asked and begged Iran for help against Saddam and the Taliban. And that after being unable to do any significant damage against the Taliban for a month, Iran told the U.S where to strike and helped them out after they asked for help. But sure, Iran was stabbed in the back after that.
And Iran did complain to the U.N of Saddam's chemical weapon use and etc. No argument about that. But lets not talk about the complaints made in the U.N by Saudi Arabia....just too much.
And the only people literally asking and begging (and kissing) for the help of the U.S has been Saudi Arabia and some other gulf states. Everything from begging them to attack Libya after Gaddafi publicly ridiculed the Saudi king as to why he is working with the Americans when the Americans are helping the Israelis against the Palestinians, To the Syrian conflict,Protests in the gulf, begging them to "cut of the head of the snake"(Iran that is), Egypt and etc etc. List goes on and on.
Iranians are dying out of the lack of medicine because they can't sell oil, and you had the audacity to talk about oil?
Yeah, We Saudis aren't educated, only Iranians are.
The Iranians will come around...And that's what scares the Saudis at the moment, hence them being so quiet after the Geneva deal for a while. Having secret meetings with Israel, and the Americans and French having to hold their hands to assure them that its alright and etc...I'm not saying that some Iranians aren't dying out of the lack of medicine and that's unfortunate. But more Arabs are unfortunately dying because of crackdowns, protests,sectarianism,terrorism amongst themselves and etc. And i hope they get their freedom from their west supported dictators. And also, i hope women can be able to drive in Saudi Arabia without being arrested and also that people can walk around with a "free hugs" sign without being arrested too and so many other things.
I'm glad you at least admitted to Iranians being more educated. No argument there either
No thank you, to the best of knowledge only Iranians make ludicrous claims like " Egypt, Iraq and Syria " are Persian countries!
I've never heard of people saying Egypt, Iraq and Syria being "Persian countries". Well especially not nowadays(That would be stupid). I know that Iraq used to be a Persian country and that Medes and Babylonians were there prior to that and i know that Syria and Egypt was under Persian
control, but it wasn't "Persian" per say. Because Persians didn't forcefully "Persianize" people and was not concerned with spreading its culture to the many peoples it conquered. People usually adopted Persian culture voluntarily though, as the Pre-Islamic countries did when coming in contact with Persia and as the Post-Islamic countries did after coming in contact with Persia, etc.
You can read more about it here if you like,
Persianization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But still , back then , it wasn't Arab either. Even today, Egyptians even prefer being called Egyptians rather than Arabs. I talked to an Iraqi the other day that said he isn't an Arab, even though he was from Iraq and his family is from there but originally came from the Arabian Peninsula or something, he still said he is Iraqi and not Arab(he was baptist though, but I've heard it from Muslims too). And Syrians consider themselves Syrian. But sure, there are of course more people referring to themselves as Arab.
But still , so much disunity among you guys though. It could have to do with them being Arabized rather than being "Arab" per say. At least that's my theory.
Anyway, Yzd. Agree to Disagree? And ill leave you and the Iranians continue to bicker
Haha gotta say though that there is a saying in Sweden, "Love starts with arguments" hahaha
And i agree with what you said before, That maybe one day Iranians and All Arabs (not just some), get along.
LETS STICK TO TOPIC NOW!
Any more news on the fishing boats? Is it mentioned on news in Saudi Arabia?
Can't you see your own link?
