Iran Seeks Strategic Partnership with India

[Bobby]

It's not that we support your role or you support our role, but both of our goals go towards one direction: A stable Afghanistan, without drugs, without religious fundamentalism and extremism, without Taliban and a government supported by majority of Afghans, not an installed one.

if Iran Seeks Strategic Partnership with India, Irans relationship with Pakistan will not be same...Pakistan dont want India in Aghanistan

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Chabahar is a all weather port, and can be operated throughout the year ( @Soheil, help me here.), and can have a huge strategic importance in the region.

And a connectivity through Pakistani tribal areas is always an hazardous option, and not viable in near future.

Which is why the utility of Gwadar is and will remain doubtful. In contrast, Iran has a stable hinterland for Chahbahar port.

 

[SOHEIL]

Chabahar is a all weather port, and can be operated throughout the year ( @Soheil, help me here.), and can have a huge strategic importance in the region.

And a connectivity through Pakistani tribal areas is always an hazardous option, and not viable in near future.

Chah Bahar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Capt.Popeye]

if Iran Seeks Strategic Partnership with India, Irans relationship with Pakistan will not be same...Pakistan dont want India in Aghanistan

Unfortunately matters have gone out of Pakistan's hands wrt to settling Afghanistan. Afghanistan is turning into a multilateral issue now. No more the Zamindaari/Thekedaari of one or two countries.

Iran is a party, as will be others also. Just as Pakistan will be JUST ONE of the parties to settling Afghanistan.

 

[SOHEIL]

Chabahar :

Coordinates: 25°17′31″N 60°38′35″E

 

[Sugarcane]

wat type of strategic partnership?

Probably it's paying for oil on time. otherwise India already had good economic relations and cooperation in Afghanistan with Iran since 80s

 

[Kaniska]

Unfortunately matters have gone out of Pakistan's hands wrt to settling Afghanistan. Afghanistan is turning into a multilateral issue now. No more the Zamindaari/Thekedaari of one or two countries.

Iran is a party, as will be others also. Just as Pakistan will be JUST ONE of the parties to settling Afghanistan.

I think then you are just underestimating the significance of Pakistan in overall context...The fact is for Iran, Pakistan is a better ally and Iran can compromise its stand about Taliban and be in the same line with pakistan in thelong run...Because for Iran, Amerikas are rival than pakistan or taliban...This is a reality which none of the Indian analyst although agree but do not put up upfront...From Iran's perspective, it makes sense too...To sale the Iran Pakistan pipeline and to dissociate Pakistan from the umbrella of Amerika and NATO, Iran will help every move to make Pakistan happy at the cost of India....That does not mean that Iran is not a friend of us...But that means that the situation in Iran will force itself to change its alliance due to misplaced foreign policy of West.....Every one want to have a peaceful neighourhood....

The fact is that Chabar port has been discussed since long time, and there is nothing much progress is happening.....Recently Iran is showing interest because it needs to involve different nations to make trade with Iran....But prior to the sanction it is both the ineffectiveness of India's diplomacy/Failure in successful project implementation from Indian company and hell lot of factors contributed to a situation where nothing much progress has happened in the past....

So in my impression, the new ground realities and change in foreign policy of both India and Iran does not sync with each other...Iran may be looking towards India with the hand of friendship in the past and vice versa too...But in this sanction situation, Iran is not getting anything in return by facilitating India's entry into the Central Asian corridor....Rather if Iran encourages China and Pakistan interest then Iran is gaining significant amount of political and trade advantage to its favour...

This is my personal opinion after making some reserch about Chabar port as of now...

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I think then you are just underestimating the significance of Pakistan in overall context...The fact is for Iran, Pakistan is a better ally and Iran can compromise its stand about Taliban and be in the same line with pakistan in thelong run...Because for Iran, Amerikas are rival than pakistan or taliban...This is a reality which none of the Indian analyst although agree but do not put up upfront...From Iran's perspective, it makes sense too...To sale the Iran Pakistan pipeline and to dissociate Pakistan from the umbrella of Amerika and NATO, Iran will help every move to make Pakistan happy at the cost of India....That does not mean that Iran is not a friend of us...But that means that the situation in Iran will force itself to change its alliance due to misplaced foreign policy of West.....Every one want to have a peaceful neighourhood....

The fact is that Chabar port has been discussed since long time, and there is nothing much progress is happening.....Recently Iran is showing interest because it needs to involve different nations to make trade with Iran....But prior to the sanction it is both the ineffectiveness of India's diplomacy/Failure in successful project implementation from Indian company and hell lot of factors contributed to a situation where nothing much progress has happened in the past....

So in my impression, the new ground realities and change in foreign policy of both India and Iran does not sync with each other...Iran may be looking towards India with the hand of friendship in the past and vice versa too...But in this sanction situation, Iran is not getting anything in return by facilitating India's entry into the Central Asian corridor....Rather if Iran encourages China and Pakistan interest then Iran is gaining significant amount of political and trade advantage to its favour...

This is my personal opinion after making some reserch about Chabar port as of now...

I do not share your above perspective; and you are simply not looking at the "whole picture". Forget about Indian trade and diplomacy for a little while. Think about the Saudis and the Iranians jockeying for power in the region. Also think about the deep-rooted Shia-Sunni divide which is only getting worse. Then remind yourself about the Iranian leverage in Afghanistan, which it will not concede to anybody else. Think it over.

And BTW, the Iran-USA relationship has not been bitter for all time in history....

 

[Bratva]

It's not that we support your role or you support our role, but both of our goals go towards one direction: A stable Afghanistan, without drugs, without religious fundamentalism and extremism, without Taliban and a government supported by majority of Afghans, not an installed one.

So how come majority of Afghans who are pashtuns want taliban back that's why USA and Afghan government both are keen to give Political role to them.

 

[Serpentine]

I do not share your above perspective; and you are simply not looking at the "whole picture". Forget about Indian trade and diplomacy for a little while. Think about the Saudis and the Iranians jockeying for power in the region. Also think about the deep-rooted Shia-Sunni divide which is only getting worse. Then remind yourself about the Iranian leverage in Afghanistan, which it will not concede to anybody else. Think it over.

And BTW, the Iran-USA relationship has not been bitter for all time in history....

I think one of the countries that is gonna benefit the most from Iran-U.S relationship and lifting of sanctions from Iran, is India.It's good for your country in every way possible.We can gaurantee your energy security while there is no pressure on India from the west.Chabahar port can develop much faster than today,and India or even Far East countries like Malaysia,Thailand,Philippines,Indonesia and others can have a fast and secure access to Central Asian markets and even Europe and ME countries.The most damage on Iran-India relations comes from the western sanctions and pressure.

So how come majority of Afghans who are pashtuns want taliban back that's why USA and Afghan government both are keen to give Political role to them.

Who says only because they are Pashtuns,they support a primitive and violent school of thought like Taliban who sees for example,girl's education as a great and unforgivable sin? If what you are saying is true and majority of Afghans support them and want to re-experience all the difficulties,murders and violence they endured in 90s, then I would feel sad for them.But I don't think what you are saying is true.Maybe an Afghan member, like @Sher Malang can comment on this.

 

[Bratva]

I think one of the countries that is gonna benefit the most from Iran-U.S relationship and lifting of sanctions from Iran, is India.It's good for your country in every way possible.We can gaurantee your energy security while there is no pressure on India from the west.Chabahar port can develop much faster than today,and India or even Far East countries like Malaysia,Thailand,Philippines,Indonesia and others can have a fast and secure access to Central Asian markets and even Europe and ME countries.The most damage on Iran-India relations comes from the western sanctions and pressure.



Who says only because they are Pashtuns,they support a primitive and violent school of thought like Taliban who sees for example,girl's education as a great and unforgivable sin? If what you are saying is true and majority of Afghans support them and want to re-experience all the difficulties,murders and violence they endured in 90s, then I would feel sad for them.But I don't think what you are saying is true.Maybe an Afghan member, like @Sher Malang can comment on this.

So what does it mean when Afghan government or President Karzai offers them to join politics after renouncing violence?

 

[Serpentine]

So what does it mean when Afghan government or President Karzai offers them to join politics after renouncing violence?

Because after 11 years of fighting, they couldn't get rid of the violence that Taliban is causing.Does that necessarily mean that majority are supporting them?I can't say for sure.Maybe an accurate census in Afghanistan can shed light on many facts and realities.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Don't we already have a strategic partnership?

Sanctions on Iran seem to remain a huge hurdle to greater Indo-Iranian ties.

 

[Bratva]

Don't we already have a strategic partnership?

Sanctions on Iran seem to remain a huge hurdle to greater Indo-Iranian ties.

Irony. If Pakistan can have a IP agreement with Iran than why India pulled out from it?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Irony. If Pakistan can have a IP agreement with Iran than why India pulled out from it?

The IP comes to India from Balochistan , where Pakistan is unable even protect Chinese Engineers. How can India be sure, Indian economic assets there will be safe?

Chinese can afford such risks, India can't.

Most likey, India will go for a pipeline through sea, though expensive in the short-term, economical in the long-term.