Iran seeks four-nation alliance with China, Pakistan, Russia

[shjliu]

Last month? oh, my god a month and you are talking about you are the biggest buyer, how about last Tuesday? Indians are just...incredible

The top export destinations of Iran are China ($24.9B), India ($10.3B), Japan ($5.55B), South Korea ($4.12B) and Turkey ($1.48B). The top import origins are China ($24.1B), India ($4.4B), South Korea ($4.17B), Turkey ($3.82B) and Germany ($3.07B).

how about for ONE day? how about for ONE hour? how about for ONE minute? how about for ONE second? Indian will find a way to beat China ! because they are NOT confident of themselves ! beside they have a very misleading news reporter/paper.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Very welcome news!

well Iranian dont believe in alliances.. They stand only for themselves..

The Iranians know what is coming with Trump in the White House. The nuclear accord can basically be tossed into shredder. Trump will appease Israel at the expense of Iran.

Pakistan should look at its own interest and grab this opportunity with both hands. It will be beneficial for Pakistan and Iran to have a more broader economic cooperation. CPEC is the keyword here.

 

[mike2000 is back]

First they have to destroy chabahar port or deny India any access. Which they won't do of course.

That's ridiculous , Iran or any sane country for that matter will never do that. Thing is, Iran and India relations will keep on being very close in foreseeable future irrespective of any country. Both countries have had friendly ties for decades and the mutual trust seems to be very high between both countries for some strange reason.
So expecting Iran to side or ally with Pakistan against India just because they are both "Islamic republics" is simply wishful thinking I'm afraid. Iran benefits nothing much(apart from scoring some religious points) in doing so unfortunately, so Iran will keep following it's national interests irregardless of some dreaming about some illusional ummah alliance. Can't blame Iran though, every sane country will do the same thing, So India-Iran close relations/cooperation will carry on. National interests always trumps everything (including religion) at the end of the day.

 

[maximuswarrior]

That's ridiculous , Iran or any sane countey for that matter will never do that. Thing is, Iran and India relations will always be very close irrespective of any country. Both countries have had friendly tis for decades and the mutual trust seems to be very high between both countries for some reason. So expecting Iran to side or ally with Pakistan against India just because they are both Islamic republics is simply wishful thinking I'm afraid. Iran will keep following it's national interests irregardless of some dreaming about some illusional ummah alliance. Can't blame Iran though, every sane country will do the same thing, So India-Iran close relations/cooperation will carry on. National interests trumps everything (including religion).

You are living in denial and we understand where it stems from.

Iran will not break its relation with India like Russia won't, but that does not in any way mean that Iran will neglect the potential that Pakistan has LMAO We have already seen how the close relationship between Russia and India has not been able to prevent rapprochement between Russia and Pakistan. So, that should remove your denial in an instant. Just like Iran needs India it also needs Pakistan, China, Russia and all other countries in the region to cooperate on all fronts. Especially given that Trump is now going to apply severe pressure against Iran in various ways.

I hate to bring it to you. Iran will work more closely with Pakistan and the region at large because it is in its best interest including the Trump factor.

I have said it before. Trump is a blessing in disguise. ; )

 

[somebozo]

This could be Pakistan's opportunity to out-maneuver Indian plans in Iran. With two dogs barking at our door, we need as much support as we can muster. BUT, participation MUST come with iron clad guarantees to move out of the Indian camp and show unwavering support for Pakistani interests.

In today global situation the cold war mentality of A vs B has to go out..this is precisely the reason why Bush and Obama foreign policy faltered...Iran is India friend as much as it is of Pakistan...UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc are India's friends as much as they are Pakistan's friend...favors will go towards who benefits them the most..even China has much larger economic market in India as opposed to Pakistan..the anti-India..them vs. us mentality will only take us on the path of self destruction and isolation..

We cannot go door to door begging for anti-India support...it makes no sense..do the best with what is available...

 

[maximuswarrior]

In today global situation the cold war mentality of A vs B has to go out..this is precisely the reason why Bush and Obama foreign policy faltered...Iran is India friend as much as it is of Pakistan...UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc are India's friends as much as they are Pakistan's friend...favors will go towards who benefits them the most..even China has much larger economic market in India as opposed to Pakistan..the anti-India..them vs. us mentality will only take us on the path of self destruction and isolation..

We cannot go door to door begging for anti-India support...it makes no sense..do the best with what is available...

Exactly. Just like Iran will continue to reap the benefits with India, it is expected that it will intensify its relations with most regional countries. The Cold War division is a thing of the past. Countries look beyond enmities and taking sides. It is all about personal interests. No doubt Iran also has an interest in being part of CPEC.

Pakistan has to look for its own best interest and unite as many regional countries to reap the benefits of CPEC. India should not influence our CPEC cooperation and interests one tiny bit.

 

[CriticalThought]

In today global situation the cold war mentality of A vs B has to go out..this is precisely the reason why Bush and Obama foreign policy faltered...Iran is India friend as much as it is of Pakistan...UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc are India's friends as much as they are Pakistan's friend...favors will go towards who benefits them the most..even China has much larger economic market in India as opposed to Pakistan..the anti-India..them vs. us mentality will only take us on the path of self destruction and isolation..

We cannot go door to door begging for anti-India support...it makes no sense..do the best with what is available...

When I said 'move out of the Indian camp', I didn't mean they should become anti-India. As I have already shown on this thread, Iran has had anti-Pakistan tendencies in its friendship with India. This needs to end.

 

[Max]

Very welcome news!



The Iranians know what is coming with Trump in the White House. The nuclear accord can basically be tossed into shredder. Trump will appease Israel at the expense of Iran.

Pakistan should look at its own interest and grab this opportunity with both hands. It will be beneficial for Pakistan and Iran to have a more broader economic cooperation. CPEC is the keyword here.

Agree, i would love to have Iran as friend and ally instead of allowing them to be ally with our enemy bharat, Iranian situation is different under Trump and different situation require different solution, i was talking about their past, they only have puppets like Hizbollah not alliance.. Name me a single country whom they call ally?

You priase Russia infront of them, they will bring s-300 deal and start calling russian names, you bring China they will start blaming them for not using veto for Iran as if Iran have done any favour to China..

 

[maximuswarrior]

When I said 'move out of the Indian camp', I didn't mean they should become anti-India. As I have already shown on this thread, Iran has had anti-Pakistan tendencies in its friendship with India. This needs to end.

That is true, but the dynamics of politics is changing all that. It is no secret that since CPEC has started showing its true potential, regional countries are becoming eager to become part of it. China has done its homework to unite the important players within the region. We need to make most of regional trade and economic potential.

 

[somebozo]

When I said 'move out of the Indian camp', I didn't mean they should become anti-India. As I have already shown on this thread, Iran has had anti-Pakistan tendencies in its friendship with India. This needs to end.

this will not end until Pakistan is taken over by hostile pro-iran government or revolution control from Tehran...Pakistan in Iranian calculation is just another Yemen or Syria waiting to fall..it is up to us to be strong internally and give a middle finger to Iranian mullahs where the sun dont shine...!

 

[CriticalThought]

That is true, but the dynamics of politics is changing all that. It is no secret that since CPEC has started showing its true potential, regional countries are becoming eager to become part of it. China has done its homework to unite the important players within the region.

this will not end until Pakistan is taken over by hostile pro-iran government or revolution control from Tehran...Pakistan in Iranian calculation is just another Yemen or Syria waiting to fall..it is up to us to be strong internally and give a middle finger to Iranian mullahs where the sun dont shine...!

It is the fine balance of diplomacy that our government needs to master. How to befriend potentially dangerous states, and masterfully play them into satisfying our interests. India seems to get this, we don't.

 

[Kambojaric]

The Iranians know what is coming with Trump in the White House. The nuclear accord can basically be tossed into shredder. Trump will appease Israel at the expense of Iran.

Pakistan should look at its own interest and grab this opportunity with both hands. It will be beneficial for Pakistan and Iran to have a more broader economic cooperation. CPEC is the keyword here.

Not to mention the fact that the closer India and the US get, the more isolated Iran will become in the wider region. I mean even when India-US ties were rather mild, India did this repeatedly (http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/again-india-votes-against-iran-s-nuclear-programme/547319/). Imagine their behaviour once they became even closer allies with the US, which is bound to happen as Modi and Trump seem to be keen on expanding their ties.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-usa-military-idUSKCN114241

Iranian foreign policymakers seem to be realizing that the way geopolitics in the region is developing, they are in a much better position if part of a Sino-Russian-Pakistani alliance, rather than standing completely isolated in the region, and hearing sweet words from India every now and then.

 

[mike2000 is back]

You are living in denial and we understand where it stems from.

Iran will not break its relation with India like Russia won't, but that does not in any way mean that Iran will neglect the potential that Pakistan has LMAO Just like Iran needs India it also needs Pakistan, China, Russia and all other countries in the region to cooperate. Especially given that Trump is now going to apply severe pressure against Iran in various ways.

Huh.....And where did I say Iran will neglect Pakistan?? Are you imagining things or?
Iran needs Russia yes, it might also need China as well, but there's nothing much Pakistan can offer Iran that it doesn't already to be honest, However, Pakistan being Iran's neighbour Iran has to have cordial or at least neutral relations with Pakistan, since this is needed for Iran's own stability with its border areas with Pakistan, which I thing Iran already does anyway. So I fail to see which type of alliance Iran is going to have with Pakistan that undermines India (who is Pakistan arch enemy and which is what most Pakistanis will wish ), won't happen I'm afraid.

 

[TREND SETTER 2527]

Mighty four nations alliance...That sounds quite hefty and impressive.I think its time for Pak and Iran to set aside Shia Sunni rivalry and join hands to offset Indian malign propaganda/intentions.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Not to mention the fact that the closer India and the US get, the more isolated Iran will become in the wider region. I mean even when India-US ties were rather mild, India did this repeatedly (http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/again-india-votes-against-iran-s-nuclear-programme/547319/). Imagine their behaviour once they became even closer allies with the US, which is bound to happen as Modi and Trump seem to be keen on expanding their ties.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-usa-military-idUSKCN114241

Iranian foreign policymakers seem to be realizing that the way geopolitics in the region is developing, they are in a much better position if part of a Sino-Russian-Pakistani alliance, rather than standing completely isolated in the region, and hearing sweet words from India every now and then.

Iran like any other nation isn't crazy to put all of its eggs in any single basket.

As Pakistan, China and Russia are starting to cooperate on the economic front we can expect Iran to join the ranks sooner rather than later. Not because it is aimed any particular country, but because interests dictate the obvious.

All I'm saying is that Pakistan needs to look beyond alliances. We are in a great position to unite the region for mass trade. That is exactly where our focus should lie. We cannot afford to become distracted by division and hatemongering iniated internally or externally.