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why cant pakistan and iran work together? elaborate


Sir,

Seems like you are not reading the posts----. Iran sold out Pakistan on the nuclear issue----remember A Q Khan scenario----to save itself---Iran threw pakistan into the fire and had it declared a pariah state.

Pak military will not let it happen. Only goodwill gestures----.

I have written many times----you cannot trust and Iranian---.

The reality is Saudia Arabia and UAE are the biggest benefactors of India big talk of brothers notwithstanding. India earns more remittances than any other country from Saudia and UAE. With friends like these who needs enemies? I wonder how many tanks and bullets all that money flowing from Saudia into India buys for the Indian military?

Money talks bull*shit walks ......


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In Saudi Arabia, Indians headed the table with around 2.8 million workers sending $10.836 billion, while Egyptians came in second with $7.573 billion. Pakistanis were third with $4.489 billion, followed by Bangladeshis with $3.785 billion, Indonesians with $3.281 billion and Filipinos with $3.235 billion.

In the UAE, the eight-member league of countries — India, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Philippines, Sri Lanka and Yemen — together accounted for $26.607 billion of the total remittance of $29.253 billion.

India's Stakes In The Middle East
Remittances from Gulf soar to $100 billion - Khaleej Times


Hi,

The reason Pakistanis send less is because most of them are illiterate and do menial labor jobs----there s nothing wrong with that.

Those with high paying jobs make the difference in numbers.

The Gulf kingdoms can go fly, as far as many people are concerned now. The UAE invites Pakistan's rival India, and lets Modi blast the country on their soil. What about the "strategic ties" these people have signed with them.
I hope Pakistan invites Iran and signs new accords.


That is all-----. An iran stabbed us in the back regarding the centrifuge deal----. Made a plea bargain and threw us into the fire----.
 
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Hi,

The reason Pakistanis send less is because most of them are illiterate and do menial labor jobs----there s nothing wrong with that.

Those with high paying jobs make the difference in numbers..

Facts, facts and facts?


Total number of ex-pats in UAE by country.

India - 2,200,000 > Indians in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pak -- 1,200,000 > Pakistanis in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* I don't like quoting from Wiki as it tends to be unreliable but feeling lazy now I could not bother to search for more reliable sources but I believe these figures are about right.If you insist I can find other more reliable sources.

* They clearly bust your theory about the menial rubbish. To my eyes Indian's are just filthy low down menial rubbish. I will stand by my people anytime. As you can see there are almost twice more filthy Indian's then Pakistani's in UAE which althings considered will equate to twice more remittances.

* Note I am backing my arguement with sources. No waffle.
 
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Very good. Long live our relationship.

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Geography, history and culture will prevail. We just have to put up some idiots for now. The burden falls on the sensible on both sides of the border to keep our relationship intact so that in the future we can build something solid on it.
 
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Facts, facts and facts?


Total number of ex-pats in UAE by country.

India - 2,200,000 > Indians in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pak -- 1,200,000 > Pakistanis in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* I don't like quoting from Wiki as it tends to be unreliable but feeling lazy now I could not bother to search for more reliable sources but I believe these figures are about right.If you insist I can find other more reliable sources.

* They clearly bust your theory about the menial rubbish. To my eyes Indian's are just filthy low down menial rubbish. I will stand by my people anytime. As you can see there are almost twice more filthy Indian's then Pakistani's in UAE which althings considered will equate to twice more remittances.

* Note I am backing my arguement with sources. No waffle.


Sir,

Menial jobs is the basic jobs----jobs that require the least amount of skills.

" A menial task is anything that takes very little training, skill, or talent. Some people find it relaxing to do the menial chore of folding laundry. Go figure. The adjective menial comes from an Old French word, mensie, which means “household.”

India is also 5 times the population of Pakistan---so percentage wise---there are more Pakistanis over there---and india has as many muslims as does Pakistan.

S---what was you issue---is it the jobs or the money.
 
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. I have done the figures and concluded that Saudia and other Gulf countries have literally picked India up from the gutter and lifted her up and above Pakistan.

Validate your argument with sources - compare the remittances from Gulf to Indian GDP, exports etc and see what percentage they form of our economy and forex. These remittances don't go to exchequer - Govt just deducts the taxes and balance goes to people. No different in any way than domestic Indians.

From what I can see you exactly blowing hot air with half-truths. It is true remittances are an important source for Forex for India but how exactly do they picked India up from the gutter and lifted her up and above Pakistan to quote your words is beyond my expertise as a professional in finance.

Indian GDP is 1.2 Trillion USD and taking your figures at face value the Gulf portion is 33 Billion USD barely .3% at max of Indian GDP. So do you mean to say 0.3% is responsible for picking India up from Gutter and not 99.7%. Vacuous argument

The thing which lifts India up is our domestic market and consumption and massive human capital responsible for service based exports. Gulf remittances form a minuscle part of growth of India.

Less rhetoric and more logic please for your next post please.
 
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Iran imports directly from Russia and china. there is no need for any Pak-Iran projects as everything is available from the OEM supplier. western equipment is not available to Iran and any western equipment imported by Pakistan cannot be shared with Iran. the Iran-West nuclear deal once operational will allow Iran to purchase from western OEM suppliers anything they want because they have the $$$.
 
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So India is better choice for us.

Why India? Why not Rus and China? India itself is largest importer though they are developing good navy ships with Russian and Israel's help. on topic : we can start coperation with joint excersises and then we can move to other level.. Like, small projects, medium projects etc. its not like from first day we start building missiles, subs, jets etc.
 
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Not much "sunni shia rivalry". Only attacks against Shias are committed by TTP and other banned terrorist organizations.
Both sects have their own armed wings. Sipah-e-Sahaba and Sipah-e-Muhammad are two examples.

Edit: corrected the name from Jaish-e-Muhammad to Supiah-e-Muhammad.
 
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Validate your argument with sources - compare the remittances from Gulf to Indian GDP, exports etc and see what percentage they form of our economy and forex. These remittances don't go to exchequer - Govt just deducts the taxes and balance goes to people. No different in any way than domestic Indians.

From what I can see you exactly blowing hot air with half-truths. It is true remittances are an important source for Forex for India but how exactly do they picked India up from the gutter and lifted her up and above Pakistan to quote your words is beyond my expertise as a professional in finance.

Indian GDP is 1.2 Trillion USD and taking your figures at face value the Gulf portion is 33 Billion USD barely .3% at max of Indian GDP. So do you mean to say 0.3% is responsible for picking India up from Gutter and not 99.7%. Vacuous argument

The thing which lifts India up is our domestic market and consumption and massive human capital responsible for service based exports. Gulf remittances form a minuscle part of growth of India.

Less rhetoric and more logic please for your next post please.

They are very, very significant as they are in Pakistan. In our case they are lifeline without which Pakistan would sink like stone in water. Your earning foreign currency like exports. In fact is a form of export. So why not compare the remittances with your export figures and you will see the massive effect on Indian economy.

Money earned from any type of exports be it cars or remittances does not directly go to government. However that money is spent inside the country. Workers abroad send the money home to build houses, buy cars, buy food in other words products and services. All that is taxed by government any other economic activity.

$33 billion is larger than the entire Pakistan exports combined. All that money comiong into the country is going to slush around the economy. If Pakistan next year saw extra £30 billion coming in it would lead to massive economic activity as it would lead to spike in consumption.

Even the simple act of a worker going to Saudia or UAE generates money and jobs. Lets look at this. Worker books a ticket with agent, workers goes to airport, worker flies the airline. Even this will support the agent, the airport which in turn will employ staff at the airport, the airline which will support pilots and other aircrew. Technical ground crews. Also more customers will lead to more aircraft being bought.

As example if 2 million extra workers were employed in the greater Islamabad/Rawalpindi area ( or Lahore or any other metropolitan area of Pakistan ) it would lead to the Islamabad Airport suddenly getting on average 4 million extra passengers a year. Do you the number of extra aircraft that would have be bought by Airblue or PIA etc. In addition more houses would be built leading to more demand far builders and cement etc. Even truckers would benefit. Every dollar has a multiplier efffect.

Anyway I am not interested in turning this into Pak/Inda thing. I used India to convery a point. UAE and Saudia are helping Pakistan however UAE anf Saudia are helping India twice more. So all that singing and dancing Pakistani's do with regards to Saudia should be kept in mind.

The truth is the Saudi's and UAE have bought out our corrupt elites. That ensures they recieve such fanfare in Pakistan. Modiji can't run of to Saudia as refuge or spend half of his year in UAE. Sharif and Zaradari can and do. That is the bottom line.

@Mastan Khan The point you make about size is invalid. For a start India is 6.5 times bigger not 5. Secondly a ally or friend is not going to share a cake out according to size. It will share it out according to depth of friendship. Next time it want's help from Pakistan why not approach India in the same ratio then?

If I have animosity with a family xyz and my best friend gives more invites to xyz I don't he coud defend himself by saying "Yaar his family is bigger than yours". I realize nation states are not expected to behave like individuel behaviour and Saudia or UAE have perfect right to choose who they want.

All I am saying is to fellow Pakistani's stop treating like they are our special saviours. They are not. Accept what we get and move on.
 
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Facts, facts and facts?


Total number of ex-pats in UAE by country.

India - 2,200,000 > Indians in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pak -- 1,200,000 > Pakistanis in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* I don't like quoting from Wiki as it tends to be unreliable but feeling lazy now I could not bother to search for more reliable sources but I believe these figures are about right.If you insist I can find other more reliable sources.

* They clearly bust your theory about the menial rubbish. To my eyes Indian's are just filthy low down menial rubbish. I will stand by my people anytime. As you can see there are almost twice more filthy Indian's then Pakistani's in UAE which althings considered will equate to twice more remittances.

* Note I am backing my arguement with sources. No waffle.

would you try to find, how many bhartis are in Iran?
How many flights are between Iran and India?

rest I quit debunking your propaganda any further..... as I'm also feeling lazy.
 
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well said, iran has more to offer than the other gulf countries, especially ksa

I have no objection, if Iran has ANY thing to offer! fact is there's non, and there never will be any.

Reality, iran and india and their touts in Pakistan are conspiring against Pakistani interests, with every breath they take.
 
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