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Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

@ Abii
We have sent soldiers on the request of Bahrain. You should protest to Bahrain why it has requested to Pakistan.
But one thing, Iran was our friend, is our friend and will be our friend.

If the Iranian regime asks Pakistan to send foot soldiers MOD EDIT to beat my country men, would you support that? You have no honor and respect it seems.

They say we Iranians/Persians are money hungry. You guys are worse.
 
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of course Pakistan isn't.
As I said, your people are being used as cannon fodder and your leaders are allowing it. As an Iranian, I can never serve another army because if I do, I will be in trouble in Iran. This is the same in many countries but with you guys it seems normal lol

At the end of the day the majority are shia and most of the Sunni are also asking for freedom. Add 2+2. The puppet govt of Bahrain is falling.

No my friend..... this is premature talk, so please... hold your cannon fodder analogy until his highness ayatullah complain.

As a matter of fact both our RIGHTEOUS President and P.M and there ministers, secretaries, judges and bureaucrates, all together cannot stop any retired person to join any service in his personal capacity, anywhere in the world.
And, If it will be not Pakistan than Bahrain will turn to India... we are simply being discouraged so that indians penetrate.
It is also Iran's wish that all jobs in middleast shall go to India same formula which Iran has applied in his regime since couple of decades.

P.S.: No India and Iranians did not complain when Pakistani retired army OFFICER took up job with black water!
No one complain when our FAITHFUL leaders tried to protect him!

Who is protecting owner Ali Zaidi?

What is position of Iran on this?
 
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technical arguments will not suffice - at the end of the day, the people will, as they already have, identify Pakistanis, as the ones pulling the trigger
Too bad - because first and foremost the Arabs should address the issue of their own 'Arab brethren' pulling the trigger and financing terrorism in Pakistan, and treating Pakistanis living in Arab lands like inferior human beings.

If they hold Pakistanis responsible for 'doing the job' they were hired to do by the Arab governments, without addressing the issue of Arabs carrying out and financing terrorism in Pakistan, then I don't really give a crap if they all get gunned down in XYZ square.
The Princes will escape to the West, to where will those Pakistanis who have made homes and lives in the Peninsula and Gulf escape to ??
If the lives of Pakistanis living in these Arab states will be in danger, then I would have to say that those acting against the protesters were in fact the 'right side', and that Pakistan would, and should, deploy its military to bomb the crap out of these protesters.
The people are not the enemy, Pakistan must always be on the side of the People
The people are not the enemy so long as Pakistanis are not unnecessarily harmed. I can understand Pakistanis in the security forces being attacked, since that would be violence against combatants, but there can be no condoning or justification for attacking Pakistani civilians resident in those countries.

If I cannot support Palestinian attacks against Israeli civilians after everything Israel has done to the Palestinians, then there certainly cannot be any support whatsoever for attacks by Arabs on Pakistani civilians residing in Arab States. There can be no argument over this - violence against Pakistani civilians makes the protesters the enemy.
---- We complain that US for last 60 odd years has had relations with army or establishment but never with the people and that's why it finds her policies identified with values which she herself would never say exemplifies US.
I certainly don't complain about that - I personally have always found that argument shallow and disingenuous. Most people would point to specific policy decisions by the US (sanctions, discrimination against Pakistan, double standards, support for Israel) etc. as the reasons behind disliking the US, and not some vague idea of 'the US engaged with the establishment but not the people'. That is just a canard spouted by pro-democracy commentators in Pakistan to convince the US to engage with the civilian sector more and cut off engagement with the military.

But that said, whatever the reasons behind disliking the US, they are not justification for attacks on American civilians either in Pakistan or abroad. The correct approach for Pakistani citizens would be to elect new political leadership that is more in sync with the kinds of domestic and foreign policies they want the Pakistani government to implement.
This is a internal problem of these states and the people are always right -- Pakistan has agreements with all these sates to help them in case of aggression, but not against the people, the agreement is to help them deter foreign aggression.
The people are only 'right' so long as civilians are not attacked. The 'people' need to take it up with their rulers and put the pressure on them, not on Pakistan or Pakistani civilians residing in Arab States.
 
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@ Abii
country is represented by government. We cannot go to every Bahraini to ask his opinion. We can simply help in difficult time. If Bahrain does not need our help, they can order to leave the country.
 
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Abii:

Watch the language. Foot soldiers is fine. There is no need to resort to the other derogatory language. You can make your point without it.
 
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@ Abii
Sorry to say, this is matter between Bahrain and Pakistan. It is the matter of either Bahrain or Pakistan. What is the Iranian logic to protest against Pakistan while Pakistan has not interfered in Iran?
 
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This discussion, if it can teach us anything, it is that we all live in very complex, very much inter-connected societies -- and that we have been using ideas that divide us instead of ideas that recognize that we are complex and diverse and yet incredibly inter-connected.

For now more than 20 years, all Muslims have been fodder for the wars between the Wahabi and the Iranian Mullahs, each wants to show and to force upon Muslims that there is only one "truth" and that they own it.

Now is the time we should say, we are not going to play this idiot game in which millions have died in 8 years of war and in which daily Pakistanis are being killed -

If there was ever foreign aggression, Pakistan can, will, and should live up to it's obligations and undertakings -- but this is between the princes and the people - let the princes grow up and let the people begin to live in history
 
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let the princes grow up and let the people begin to live in history
The 'people' need to grow up as well, and attacking residents from other nations/ethnicities/races is certainly not any example of 'maturity' or the ability to run their own nation.
 
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@ Abii
Iran and Pakistan are good friends but Iran should not protest against Pak Bahrain relationships.
 
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If the Iranian regime asks Pakistan to send foot soldiers MOD EDIT to beat my country men, would you support that? You have no honor and respect it seems.

They say we Iranians/Persians are money hungry. You guys are worse.
Pakistan is not 'sending foot soldiers', the Arabs are recruiting former military men for jobs in their security forces.

The Arabs have recruited laborers for decades, that they have treated and paid rather poorly, from South Asian nations. The Arabs had no problems when they treated these Pakistanis like slaves to build their highways and skyscrapers. Did these protesters rise up for the rights of these laborers any time? Why complain now when the same recruitment systems are being used to hire Pakistanis for jobs in the security forces.
 
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O.k guys Allah Hafiz...
Its time to sleep...
Before Leaving, one thing Pakistani public love Iran and hope Irani public will have same expressions. Good Bad relations are the part of relations.
 
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Pakistan is not 'sending foot soldiers', the Arabs are recruiting former military men for jobs in their security forces.

The Arabs have recruited laborers for decades, that they have treated and paid rather poorly, from South Asian nations. The Arabs had no problems when they treated these Pakistanis like slaves to build their highways and skyscrapers. Did these protesters rise up for the rights of these laborers any time? Why complain now when the same recruitment systems are being used to hire Pakistanis for jobs in the security forces.

omg, in no other forums i have seen a mod sold out to stone age iranians degrading his own nation like that...

you know what like raymond davis case, has also proved we have no lack of sell outs
 
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omg, in no other forums i have seen a mod sold out to stone age iranians degrading his own nation like that...

you know what like raymond davis case, has also proved we have no lack of sell outs

What exactly do you disagree with in my post? Are you actually going to deny that the Arabs treat Pakistani (South Asian) laborers essentially like slaves?

The truth is the truth. I have been critical of Iran from my first post in this thread, but that does not change the fact that the Arabs themselves have a lot of flaws too.
 
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