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I read somewhere that the Fajr cost something like couple of 100 dollars, but one Iron dome missile cost 40.000 dollars. LOL
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@haman10

You're absolutely right about that bro, is their an alternative? Something less than that but better than fajr series?

I believe M-75 is less effective them fajr-5 but they have much more quantity and it's built in Gaza.

sure , these missiles , although some of them like zelzal are big too , but can be smuggled without the fear of them being captured or sth :

، زالزال 1، زلزال 2

great range - like zelzal2 with 200km range - very effective war head and acceptable navigation systems .

if a zelzal hits the ground , its blast would be devastating , a hundred times more effective than fajr
 
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Iran missile progress, US new bête noire

Amid progress in the ongoing talks on Iran’s nuclear energy program, the United States is raising unreasonable demands about Iran’s missile achievements.
A senior US intelligence official has said that Iran will acquire inter-continental ballistic missiles by 2015.


“I think when the Chairman [of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey] talked about our assessment being in the 2015 timeframe, given the development that we’ve seen, that’s accurate,” Defense Intelligence Agency Director Lieutenant General Michael Flynn recently told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Based on these remarks, the US officials have said that Iran must dismantle its missile program. In reaction, Iranian officials have said that the talks between Iran and six world powers are exclusively focused on the nuclear issue and that Iran’s defense capabilities are non-negotiable.

The first question striking the mind is to know why the US officials are bringing up a new issue in the midst of the nuclear talks while they are well aware that Iran will never accept to negotiate about its missile program. This issue could be analyzed from two points of view.

The first standpoint is based on the US-Israeli view of Iran’s nuclear and military activities: Iran has made significant progress in three different but complementary sectors and therefore the US and its allies should keep Iran from completing a triangle. Progress in these three fields would maximize the Islamic Republic’s deterrence power against threats. Here are the three sides of the triangle:

1. Nuclear program: Iran can enrich uranium to generate nuclear energy. Iran enriches uranium up to 20-percent purity with its own 19,000 centrifuges. Iran’s achievements in this field are irreversible. Iran can only be convinced to voluntarily curb the level of its enrichment as it agreed to not enrich uranium above five percent purity.

2. Ballistic missile launch: The US military and strategic experts say Iran is capable of launching 5,000-kilometer-range missiles whose warheads weigh one ton. In their view, Iran, which is located 10,000 kilometers from the east of the United States, is close to developing missiles which could hit the US.

3. Navigation and aviation: By intercepting a US drone, Iran showed to the US officials that it has made significant achievements in the aviation sector. Therefore, US strategists say, Iran can mount nuclear warheads on ballistic missiles to strike any target.

For US strategists, any country making achievements in these three sectors is a potential nuclear power upon which Washington could no longer impose its demands. Therefore, they say, Iran should not be allowed to upgrade the range of its missiles to above 10,000 kilometers. They say Iran’s nuclear issue and missile development should be discussed together throughout Iran’s talks with world powers – the US, France, Britain, Russia, China and Germany.

The second standpoint stipulates that negotiations with Iran should not be limited to the nuclear issue and that Iran’s military achievements, gained particularly in the wake of the Iraqi imposed war (1980-1988), must be discussed. This standpoint is setting the stage for discussions about Iran’s ballistic missiles in the future round of talks.

The first standpoint is far from reality and is mainly promoted by anti-Iranian circles in the US and Israel. These circles claim that Iran is seeking to develop a nuclear bomb. Advocates of this view say holding talks with Iran will let Tehran buy enough time to reach its nuclear objectives.

But the fact is that Iran’s nuclear activities are fully under supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and reports by the UN nuclear monitoring body give a clean bill of health to the Islamic Republic. Furthermore, Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has said in a fatwa that developing a nuclear bomb is religiously forbidden.

Regarding the second standpoint, it is important to know that Iran has never hidden its military and missile achievements. Iran says it is entitled to boost its military strength and the US cannot ask Iran to dismantle its missile program. The world remembers well that the US, France, Britain, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the former Soviet Union supplied Iraq with weapons during its invasion of Iran in the 1980s. Iran was left alone and it had to manufacture its own weaponry. Naturally, such a country must be equipped with the most advanced and most effective defense gear in order to spare any infringement upon its territorial integrity. Such a level of preparedness is a totally domestic issue and is the Iranian people’s most basic expectation from the Islamic Republic.

The Americans must have raised the issue of Iran’s ballistic missiles to appease extremist Americans and Zionists – seriously opposing Iran’s nuclear talks – in the short-term, and also to define the agenda for future talks between Iran and world powers.

Either way, Iran is unlikely to agree to negotiate with the world powers on its sovereign defensive right. Iran has also set redlines like suspension of nuclear research activities, closure of Arak heavy-water plant and limiting the number of centrifuges to 10,000.

One must wait and see what other issues the Americans are willing to raise throughout Iran’s nuclear talks with the world powers.

PressTV - Iran missile progress, US new bête noire
 
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aha !! there are other missiles like :
oghab , haseb and arash .

these are also good missiles for working alongside fajr . but zelzal can totally be a replace rather than a coworker :D

@Hazzy997

the United States is raising unreasonable demands about Iran’s missile achievements.

let 'em bark :D

who listens ? :lol:
 
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aha !! there are other missiles like :
oghab , haseb and arash .

these are also good missiles for working alongside fajr . but zelzal can totally be a replace rather than a coworker :D

@Hazzy997



let 'em bark :D

who listens ? :lol:

PIJ says they have Zelzal. I'm not sure if that's true however.
 
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PIJ says they have Zelzal. I'm not sure if that's true however.

OMG !

seriously ? thats perfect if its true !! the main problem is hiding them . i wish PIJ gives them to hamas . theyre better at handling the hideout so that its not destructed by airstrike .

i cant imagine the blast of the missile on a zionist airfield !!!

tens of shitty f-15s will be trashed by just a single missile !!!
 
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OMG !

seriously ? thats perfect if its true !! the main problem is hiding them . i wish PIJ gives them to hamas . theyre better at handling the hideout so that its not destructed by airstrike .

i cant imagine the blast of the missile on a zionist airfield !!!

tens of shitty f-15s will be trashed by just a single missile !!!

That's the rumor in Gaza is they've had it for a while now. This has to mean Hamas has them too or Hamas has something else. Because during the war they said if Israel launches a ground invasion they will see more surprises from our rockets. Hamas definitely has some things they won't use though. :D
 
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I doubt too it could be smuggled, maybe possible in separate containers through Sudan like they did with the Fajr series. After the 2012 war apparently military support was upgraded by Iran according to an Hamas member.

Now I hear Iran gave them the 'know how' for the M75 rockets but at the same time people say Hamas created it themselves and it's some sort of upgraded grad rocket with 60kg warhead. I'm not too sure. Is it even possible that Iran could give technology for that missile though? I can't praise it any more it is accurate with good size and warhead.
regarding Fajr-5, we only gave the technology, and not the rocket itself. M75 is just a name which Hamas has chosen for their production line.(I can guess why they didn't use the Iranian name)
PressTV - Iran gave Hamas only technical know-how of Fajr 5 missile: Cmdr.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Fateh110 is a ballistic missile and it's recent version is considered strategic weapon cause with 400km range, it can hit moving targets with pin point accuracy, it's way way beyond Hamas capabilities to produce such a thing, but I wont be surprised if they reveal an anti ship missile in the next war (Israelis may do).
 
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regarding Fajr-5, we only gave the technology, and not the rocket itself. M75 is just a name which Hamas has chosen for their production line.(I can guess why they didn't use the Iranian name)
PressTV - Iran gave Hamas only technical know-how of Fajr 5 missile: Cmdr.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Iran Supplies All Weapons in Gaza

Fateh110 is a ballistic missile and it's recent version is considered strategic weapon cause with 400km range, it can hit moving targets with pin point accuracy, it's way way beyond Hamas capabilities to produce such a thing, but I wont be surprised if they reveal an anti ship missile in the next war (Israelis may do).

M75 is different then Fajr-5 though in several aspects. The actual rocket was smuggled in pieces and they were produced in Sudan. It wasn't the technology for it, however there are photos of the M75 and you can tell it's like a miniature version of the Zelzal 2.
 
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M75 is different then Fajr-5 though in several aspects. The actual rocket was smuggled in pieces and they were produced in Sudan. It wasn't the technology for it, however there are photos of the M75 and you can tell it's like a miniature version of the Zelzal 2.

I'm glad Hamas hasn't given them to Syrian rebels .


Fateh 110 is Iran's most accurate missile and It doesn't make sense to give them to Hamas ( Maybe Hezbollah ) .

Its probably a rocket with longer range
 
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I'm glad Hamas hasn't given them to Syrian rebels .


Fateh 110 is Iran's most accurate missile and It doesn't make sense to give them to Hamas ( Maybe Hezbollah ) .

Its probably a rocket with longer range

Yeah, because they're very capable! Hey, I even have a couple M75 in my basement thanks to Hamas! :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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tens of shitty f-15s will be trashed by just a single missile !!!

Ridiculous notion. An airbase is heavily defended with Air Defence, CIWS, AAA weapons. Especially the Israel's AirBases.
 
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An airbase is heavily defended with Air Defence, CIWS, AAA weapons. Especially the Israel's AirBases.

And thus its impossible for a missile to land in an airbase .:what:

Child , do u know what kinda crazy speed can a BM reach ? What kinda freaking CIWS can resist tenz of BMs at the same time ?
Please keep your childish assessments away and don't derail the topic further
 
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And thus its impossible for a missile to land in an airbase .:what:

Child , do u know what kinda crazy speed can a BM reach ? What kinda freaking CIWS can resist tenz of BMs at the same time ?
Please keep your childish assessments away and don't derail the topic further

You with your hard on for Israel's destruction hasnt been able to touch one of their aircraft. Ten's of BM from where? Logistics play a part, all of these bottle rockets from Gaza hasnt been able to do anything. You do know Israel has a 3 tier missile defence shield? The moment you launch "BM" from anywhere, Israel will pin point the location. And from there it's only gonna be hell for the one's making the mistake of firing up these bad boys at Israel.

I'm more like derailing your fantasies. Kill one of their soldiers and they will kill a 100 in return.
 
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You with your hard on for Israel's destruction hasnt been able to touch one of their aircraft. Ten's of BM from where? Logistics play a part, all of these bottle rockets from Gaza hasnt been able to do anything. You do know Israel has a 3 tier missile defence shield? The moment you launch "BM" from anywhere, Israel will pin point the location. And from there it's only gonna be hell for the one's making the mistake of firing up these bad boys at Israel.

I'm more like derailing your fantasies. Kill one of their soldiers and they will kill a 100 in return.

The IDF policy is to not make public successful attacks on Israeli military bases. They have had rockets land near military bases and this occurred in 2012 an Israeli solider was killed by Hamas 'bottle rockets'. So either way you will never have it confirmed. There's no fantasy in this, Iran and it's allies have managed to put up a fight in the region and it's no game considering all the support Israel gets from western nations. Lets put you in their place and see how you fair, they study Israeli military tactics and understand well what can paralyze/damage Israel.
 
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The IDF policy is to not make public successful attacks on Israeli military bases. They have had rockets land near military bases and this occurred in 2012 an Israeli solider was killed by Hamas 'bottle rockets'. So either way you will never have it confirmed. There's no fantasy in this, Iran and it's allies have managed to put up a fight in the region and it's no game considering all the support Israel gets from western nations. Lets put you in their place and see how you fair, they study Israeli military tactics and understand well what can paralyze/damage Israel.

You do realise the heat signature of a BM is incomparable to small rockets? All this hoopla hasnt dented Israel. What makes you think you can paralyze Israel. Inconvenience them sure, but paralyzing their nation is another ballgame. As i said, they have no qualms for civilian casualties on your side. So pick your poison. I know quite a lot of Israel's capabilities, study their military tactics and doctrines. An armed militia is no match for them. You guys have no rolling armor to sustain an armored attack. Militias are for guerrilla warfare which they(Israel) do not intend to be entangled in.

Fighting such a daunting enemy takes courage, but actually putting up a resistance and that too a sustained one is different.
 
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