Iran, major powers reach historic nuclear deal

[XenoEnsi-14]

Israel and USA are hand in glove never underestimate them. The drama baazi of israel is mainly for saudi consumption.

Israel is a moldy rotten old glove that needs replaced with a top quality leather glove.

People dont see the bigger picture here,why the hell would the US go against Israels wishes.
There has to be a hidden agenda.

Just goes to show who the real masters are.

 

[Daneshmand]

Don't think this is true, regardless, the deal will pass. It's almost guaranteed to be.

Neither side has 2/3rd majority to override veto and are aware of this. They'll whine but will fall in line at the end of the day.

These are historical facts:

Senate passes Iran sanctions 100-0; Obama objects (really) - The Washington Post

400-25 vote sends Iran bill to president

So 2/3 is actually very easy for them. Israel has to just go around and do some lobbying, and there is a good possibility that the vote might turn to become unanimous. 100%. It has happened before on Iran related matters (see links above).

But if Obama does some arm twisting then maybe the American representatives will stop to represent Israel for a day.

Either way, it is good for Iran. If it is stamped ok by congress, the deal is going to benefit Iran. If congress cancels the deal, then all the blame will be on US and the whole world will blame US. Not only that, but also Iran will most probably ratchet up its nuclear program to heights unimaginable. Also in future no body in the world will take US president and US secretary of state seriously anymore as they will be seen inconsequential and their agreements and words worthless.

It is win-win for Iran.

Obama will have to lobby for Iran left and right convincing people. And this is the coolest part of this show.

 

[raazh]

Congratulations to Iran, I haven't read the details of the deal so can any member confirm if Iran is allowed to purchase conventional weapons (like planes and air defense systems) from Russia and China ??

 

[Daneshmand]

And what will happen to that economy of yours once you start pursuing a bomb?

Iran should be advised to stay out of the limelight for the next 10 years. Keep your mullahs in check and keep the flag burning rituals at a minimum.

It is not going to get worse than Pakistan's. After all Iran even has oil which at least can be used internally. If Pakistan survived the day after the nuclear tests so will Iran. If push comes to shove.

Congratulations to Iran, I haven't read the details of the deal so can any member confirm if Iran is allowed to purchase conventional weapons (like planes and air defense systems) from Russia and China ??

Thank you. Yes, after 5 years.

 

[The Last of us]

I am dubious this time their senate will get the majority needed to make their down-vote veto proof. Doing so will seriously put the Americans in a very bad light and could be the end for any sanctions regime. Frankly, in either case Iran will win

 

[-SINAN-]

How does your transparency point in any way debunk my statement? Once Iran has the industrial scale nuclear enrichment capacity, they can watch all they want but the reality is, according to the Americans, Iran's breakout time would considered to be "zero".

Look mate, your doing assumptions. The text is there and covers all of your assumptions. Just read.

 

[A.M.]

It is not going to get worse than Pakistan's. After all Iran even has oil which at least can be used internally. If Pakistan survived the day after the nuclear tests so will Iran. If push comes to shove.



Thank you. Yes, after 5 years.

Fully disagree, Iran will be lit up the day it is found that they are pursuing a bomb. This is the only opportunity for them to have some lasting peace. Saudis will get in on the action as well.

You can't compare Iran to us. Iran has the eyes of the world on it, no one even knew that we had nuclear capabilities until it was too late. Apples and oranges.

 

[MoshteAhani]

Thank you. Yes, after 5 years.

Hold on, we have a limited conventional arms trade within 5 years. Means between now and 2020 we can for example continue arming government of Iraq officially (with blessing of US,UN). After 2020 we are allowed to buy stuff for ourselves.

Look mate, your doing assumptions. The text is there and covers all of your assumptions. Just read.

Text can be made up to fit anyones point of view, so it is kinda useless to go after the details. The general conclusions are the ones that can be somewhat trusted (as public).

 

[A.M.]

These are historical facts:

Senate passes Iran sanctions 100-0; Obama objects (really) - The Washington Post

400-25 vote sends Iran bill to president

So 2/3 is actually very easy for them. Israel has to just go around and do some lobbying, and there is a good possibility that the vote might turn to become unanimous. 100%. It has happened before on Iran related matters (see links above).

But if Obama does some arm twisting then maybe the American representatives will stop to represent Israel for a day.

Either way, it is good for Iran. If it is stamped ok by congress, the deal is going to benefit Iran. If congress cancels the deal, then all the blame will be on US and the whole world will blame US. Not only that, but also Iran will most probably ratchet up its nuclear program to heights unimaginable. Also in future no body in the world will take US president and US secretary of state seriously anymore as they will be seen inconsequential and their agreements and words worthless.

It is win-win for Iran.

Obama will have to lobby for Iran left and right convincing people. And this is the coolest part of this show.

Those willy nilly amendments don't mean anything. Most of them were worded in a way that essentially asked, "do you oppose Iran getting a bomb?". Of course, everyone will vote yes on that.

I'm telling you, Obama has this in the bag per excerpt below from a NYT article this morning.

"Although some provisions, including the arms embargo, are expected to be especially contentious in Congress, Mr. Obama’s chances of ultimately prevailing are considered high. Even if the accord is voted down by one or both houses, he could veto that action, and he is likely to have the votes he would need to prevail in an effort to override the veto. But he has told aides that for an accord as important as this one — which he hopes will usher in a virtual truce with a country that has been a major American adversary for 35 years — he wants a congressional endorsement."

 

[The Last of us]

Look mate, your doing assumptions. The text is there and covers all of your assumptions. Just read.

No "mate" it seems you're the one that has reading comprehension issues. I said Iran's non enriched uranium stock is unlimited and you bring up the inspection. So what? Whether the deal remains or not their inspection will not mean jack. Once Iran is just a finger snap away from an entire arsenal of nuclear bomb, that in itself is a enormous deterrence. That is why the zionists, wahabis and our other enemies are fuming.

If the deal breaks down, the inspectors will be kicked out and the IR-8 will provide Iran with an industrial scale enrichment power. that is why I said, even under this deal, Iran is not that far from a nuclear bomb. Thus if they do anything out of line, the deal will break down, Iran will mass produce the Ir-8 in a very short time and then the industrial scale enrichment is established.

Them allowing Ir-8 R&D was a huge mistake from their part

 

[-SINAN-]

Text can be made up to fit anyones point of view, so it is kinda useless to go after the details. The general conclusions are the ones that can be somewhat trusted (as public).

To agree hosting 130-150 IAEA officials whom will continuously monitor Iran's nuclear activities is not something debatable and someone else's POV won't change the fact.

No "mate" it seems you're the one that has reading comprehension issues. I said Iran's non enriched uranium stock is unlimited and you bring up the inspection. So what? Whether the deal remains or not their inspection will not mean jack. Once Iran is just a finger snap away from an entire arsenal of nuclear bomb, that in itself is a enormous deterrence. That is why the zionists, wahabis and our other enemies are fuming.

If the deal breaks down, the inspectors will be kicked out and the IR-8 will provide Iran with an industrial scale enrichment power. that is why I said, even under this deal, Iran is not that far from a nuclear bomb. Thus if they do anything out of line, the deal will break down, Iran will mass produce the Ir-8 in a very short time and then the industrial scale enrichment is established.

Let's agree to disagree and end the discussion here.

 

[Daneshmand]

Hold on, we have a limited conventional arms trade within 5 years. Means between now and 2020 we can for example continue arming government of Iraq officially (with blessing of US,UN). After 2020 we are allowed to buy stuff for ourselves.
.

No. Iran per UNSC resolution is not allowed to import and export any weapons currently. The weapons that Iran export for example to Iraq are actually against UNSC resolution. But the world powers are ignoring that because firstly they do not want to make Iran angry over just little conventional weapon export and also because the situation in Iraq is so dire that they have no other option.

But this five years limit is also irrelevant technically. Since if you order any modern weapon system (not second hand retired and rusting equipment in a warehouse) it takes five years from negotiation to the point that weapons are actually ready to be delivered. Often even more time is needed. Iran can negotiate now, just can not import them right away. For example Iran can negotiate with Russians over PAK FA and S-400, right now. Even if this 5 years was not there, still it will take five years from now to delivery. So this is basically a formality. After all Obama has to show something to his hardliners, otherwise he will be lynched for having signed this deal.

But more important than these military stuff is the non-military things. For example Iran really needs geostationary satellites. Both for civilian use as well as for drones. Things of this nature can be done quickly from now.

 

[The Last of us]

To agree hosting 130-150 IAEA officials whom will continuously monitor Iran's nuclear activities is not something debatable and someone else's POV won't change the fact.


Let's agree to disagree and end the discussion here.

You randomly posted some replies to my comment and expect me to "agree to disagree"? No offence dude, but maybe your English is not good enough but your replies did not in any way debunk anything I said. This guy seems to be under the impression that inspector can prevent enrichment After 15 years, Iran can enrich to what ever level it wants in whatever quantity it wants. Do you understand this? Meaning even 90% enrichment is not off the table. The Iranian breakout time after the 10-15 years will be "zero".

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Give me a break. They have the bomb already and a blank check for receipt of additional weapons from US.

They aren't paranoid, just a major pain in the *** for everyone around them.

As I said before, there nuclear arsenal serves the purpose of deterrence. Islamic terrorist are not deterred by death and defeat and will not hesitate from using a bomb if they ever get it. Think from their perspective. They've got to be prepared for the worst-case scenario.

 

[Daneshmand]

Fully disagree, Iran will be lit up the day it is found that they are pursuing a bomb. This is the only opportunity for them to have some lasting peace. Saudis will get in on the action as well.

You can't compare Iran to us. Iran has the eyes of the world on it, no one even knew that we had nuclear capabilities until it was too late. Apples and oranges.

You do not know anything. Was Pakistan lit? Was North Korea lit? Was China lit? Was India lit? Was South Africa lit?

Dude, the world does not work like that. Iran is not Afghanistan, in case you do not know.

Saudis can not wear their trousers straight. What they are going to do? If their daddy the US could not do it, and had to negotiate with Iran, what Saudis are going to do.

If Israel which is like a million times more powerful than Saudis could not do it then Saudis are a joke by comparison.

You should really read the history. US exactly knew what was going on. They just ignored for the large part because at the time Pakistan was implementing US strategy in Afghanistan. Right now, Iran's situation is not very different. Iran is the only country that stands between Taliban lands of Afghanistan and Isis lands of Iraq and US needs Iran to keep the area stabilized.

So, please before bringing in Saudi jokers as a threat, the jokers who can not even defeat Khat chewing Houthis, know that Iran has been existing as a country for thousands of years. Many countries like Saudi, UAE and Kuwait popped around it and disappeared.

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