Iran kills 1 Pakistani soldier, 3 injured.

[Max Pain]

LOL
I new that you Chinese are good at making so many things, but didn't know that you are also good at making jokes

*Knew

 

[Max Pain]

So? More than 30,000 Pakistani troops have been killed by terrorists. These include serving generals.
Dealing with terrorists is difficult.
Iran can help itself if it stops oppressing its Sunnis. e.g. see information at SONS OF SUNNAH | فرزندان اهل سنت ايران

not troops, this involves mostly the civilians and the law enforcement members.
we never lost 30 thousand soldiers, thats mere exaggeration.

Now Pakistanis will accuse India of driving a wedge between Pakistan and Iran.

but we didnt so STFU and try not to troll, but it'll be too much of an ask.

 

[Vinod2070]

The only identity that matters is the "identity of the present", that knits a people into a single nation, whether it be an identity formed around a constitution, faith, culture, common interest or combination of the aforementioned and/or other factors.

Yes and I will leave it to you to see if it has worked for you.

Whether the "identity of the present" is a positive one, sustainable one or is a bundle of contradictions depending on denigrating the "other" (which sounds suspiciously like denigrating their own past, without probably realizing it)?

Does it need an ever present "arch enemy", that "has not accepted your existence", that "is always conspiring to undo Pakistan", that "attacked in the night" "without provocation"?

Not looking for a round of "tu tu main main" here. As I have repeatedly mentioned, I don't think India and Pakistan need to be enemies even if they are not friends now. We can just choose to leave each other alone given the very fundamental differences between our countries' respective outlook of the world.

We want nothing from you, not an inch of your territory as you insinuated in this thread. as you have probably seen for decades, we are just developing our economy while trying to mange the nuisance value that is hopefully decreasing with every passing day, especially after Kargil.

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

True...true but I think we Pakistanis sometimes feel that we're given more blame than we deserve; did we play a part in the destabilization of the region....yes (the region wasn't destabilized by the Leprechauns...so someone obviously did) but are we 'evil incarnate' as we're made out to be - No....what about the dirty game every other country with-in and with-out the region was playing in this 'region' !

Even when it comes to terrorist running in our country; we've lost more than 50,000 Pakistanis to this menace of terrorism including thousands of soldiers and policemen. Why would we support the very people who are either killing us or even if they aren't....they overlap with the people who are killing us ? I mean the Afghans accuse of us harboring the Afghan Taliban and the TTP who are fighting us say that they swear allegiance to the Afghan Taliban and are housed by the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan - We'd have to be a special kind of 'retarded' to harbor the people who harbor the people who kill us !

In case of Baluchistan; the last time Iran accused Pakistan of the same thing when their Border Guards were captured....they threatened to send in their boys and voila those Border Guards were freed inside Iran by terrorists residing in Iran - a retort that even our Foreign Office spokesperson retorted with a few days ago !

Is Pakistani soil used by terrorists - Of course; when you've got a 1800 mile long completely porous border with Afghanistan how can one not get terrorists going back and forth between Pakistan and Afghanistan especially when quite a few of them were pushed into Pakistan during the US Invasion of Afghanistan !

But that shouldn't be used as a convenient excuse to externalize one's problems over to Pakistan; a bomb goes off in Afghanistan......blame Pakistan ! A soldier is kidnapped in Iran....blame Pakistan !

Heck I was listening to a former Pakistani diplomat who sarcastically said that the Afghan Government has got a ready-made 'Pin it On Pakistan' statement on hand just in case !

And we're dealing with it the best way we know of (You're a Sri Lankan - Your country suffered for decades with this scourge of terrorism.....you should know better than any of us that it takes a lot of time and a lot of sacrifices to make this go-away) but our problems are precipitated by the obstinacy of others as well.

For example I heard (or rather saw a video on Youtube) the former DG ISI Ehsan-ul-Haq complaining at a conference with Pakistani, Afghans and Western delegates that the Afghans ask us to control the border and stop cross border incursions on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan but when we build border posts over there they lodge protests with us or fire on our posts claiming that this is not the border...that we don't recognize the Durand Line (the International Border between Pakistan and Afghanistan) which leaves us in a damned if we do and damned if we don't kinda situation !

You are from a very rare race of Pakistanis who can comprehend the reason very well and have the gut to accept your fault. I fully agree with your comments. Just want to give you answer as to why you also are a victim of terrorism. You have raised a demon capable of devouring humanity with the intention to set it free on your enemies. Your enemies, after quite a loss, strengthen their defense and now it is very difficult for your demon to reach up to them. But it has grown in enormous size and need constant food which it is not getting. So out of hunger it has started to eat near by people ( from the house of master itself). That is why you people are feeling the heat.

 

[Vinod2070]

I mean the Afghans accuse of us harboring the Afghan Taliban and the TTP who are fighting us say that they swear allegiance to the Afghan Taliban and are housed by the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan - We'd have to be a special kind of 'retarded' to harbor the people who harbor the people who kill us !

While you bring up some good points, it is quite obviously a fact that the "good Afghan Taliban" is being protected and sheltered by Pakistan as it's trump card in Afghanistan.

Also the "bad TTP" (which has allegiance to the same good Taliban) is still considered a strategic asset.

While others share the credit (or blame) for training and funding the Afghan rebels during Soviet period in Afghanistan (and that included Saudis, lots of other Arab states and China etc.), they all walked out after 1989. It was Pakistan alone that still continued the support for them and tried to use them for it's own ends (against India) after that. Else they would have just died down. That was always the Pakistani motive in any case, to use them against India.

So while this is a pet and oft repeated story, it does have it's counter side.

 

[Skywalker]

we just staying back and play with sect ....


(will kick your....)

در خواب بیند پنبه دانه
می دونم خیلی برات سخته فقط یه نقشه بخر ( البته اگر پول نداری بگو برات بفرستم )
و با یه خودکار بشین و ارزوهای جوانیت رو روی نقشه طراحی کن
البته رو قطب شمال هم برای تشکیل قوم برگزیده می تونی حساب باز کنی
درکت می کنم


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Umm..no, we are not. The firing is only going on with Pakistan, whom none of their neighbours can tolerate. China and India have not exchanged a bullet since 1987, and B'desh? Really? Wishful thinking, huh?

Not all countries are border pests like you.

keep living in denial...good for us...yes you did not exchange a single bullet with china yet they still come in your territory on there will whenever they want..set up the tents ...chill out and leave....they know cowards have no balls to exchange firing with them. Hahahahahahaha

 

[janon]

keep living in denial...good for us...yes you did not exchange a single bullet with china yet they still come in your territory on there will whenever they want..set up the tents ...chill out and leave....they know cowards have no balls to exchange firing with them. Hahahahahahaha

The fact remains that your statement, to which I responded, was bollocks. China trespasses into unmarked regions, and so does India; but only you have the humiliation of all your neighbours killing your soldiers. Unlike the Iranians do to Pakistanis, they don't kill our people. Pakistani soldiers get killed on the Iran border, Afghan border, Indian border. HAHAHA yourself.

And I repeat - neither China nor B'desh is exchaning fire with us as you claimed. That was a lie. In fact we are even training Bangladesh's border guards.

 

[HughSlaman]

Pakistani soldiers get killed on the Iran border, Afghan border, Indian border.

You are right about this; however, please do be careful about any conclusions you draw from it! How do you know that the other two,non-Indian groups, are not proxies of India? Proxy warfare is very much a reality in today's world. What is there to stop India from attacking Pakistan openly at the eastern border or LOC, while at the same time two distinct proxies of India attack Pakistanis in very different areas?

It is likely that there has been a deliberate effort, on the part of RAW and other sectors of the Indian security establishment, to create a situation in which Pakistan is getting attacked from all sides.

Why should there be such a deliberate effort, you ask? I have explained already, though I will try again more slowly.

To begin with, it allows people like yourself to attack Pakistan in the way you just have!

And that, in turn, makes it harder for Pakistanis engaged in diplomacy to convince others they are the victims and not the aggressors, when it comes to fighting India (for they now have to struggle against the propaganda that they must be the aggressors if several different groups are fighting against them)

And that in turn makes Pakistan's attempt to use diplomatic pressure to stop Indian aggression at the LOC much less effective than it would otherwise be.

TTP are known to be proxies of the Indians; and it is looking more and more likely that some high-ranking Iranians have also been acquired as RAW assets, and can be persuaded to make ridiculous charges against Pakistan and launch unnecessary attacks.

 

[janon]

You are right about this; however, please do be careful about any conclusions you draw from it! How do you know that the other two,non-Indian groups, are not proxies of India? Proxy warfare is very much a reality in today's world. What is there to stop India from attacking Pakistan openly at the eastern border or LOC, while at the same time two distinct proxies of India attack Pakistanis in very different areas?

You are overestimating India's clout, if you think that we can make Afgh and Iran dance to our tune and act as our proxies. Iran is a ccountry that has the nerve to defy much more powerful entities than us. Only a delusional mind can believe that Iran will attack a neighbour on India's orders. Make no mistake, whatever is happening there is between you and them. Your ambassador has just been summoned by Iran.

Ask the Iranian members what they think about that point, if you don't believe me. If everybody is blaming Pak, then maybe...you kno, just maybe they are right and Pak is wrong? Does that ever occur to you?

@SOHEIL @Serpentine

It is likely that there has been a deliberate effort, on the part of RAW and other sectors of the Indian security establishment, to create a situation in which Pakistan is getting attacked from all sides.
Why should there be such a deliberate effort, you ask? I have explained already, though I will try again more slowly.
To begin with, it allows people like yourself to attack Pakistan in the way you just have!

I see. So RAW has pulled off a masterful covert operation across several international borders and involving many disparate entities, so that we will have bragging rights on PDF.

And that, in turn, makes it harder for Pakistanis engaged in diplomacy to convince others they are the victims and not the aggressors, when it comes to fighting India (for they now have to struggle against the propaganda that they must be the aggressors if several different groups are fighting against them)
And that in turn makes Pakistan's attempt to use diplomatic pressure to stop Indian aggression at the LOC much less effective than it would otherwise be.

Right, this is a continuation of that brilliant theory. No further comments.

TTP are known to be proxies of the Indians;

No, they are not. Whether you like to admit it or not, TTP is fully comprised of Pakistanis, waging war against other Pakistanis to establish a "purer" country. (As they believe.) If anything, it is your country's reverance of religion above nationalism that allowed such movements to start. Not to mention the million of young minds poisoned with jihadi ideologies since the times of Zia. Not to mention your involvements in Afghanistan's conflicts, and your support for the Afghan Taliban. Not to mention your patronage of islamist groups to fight against India, since your own national army simply did not dare. You are simply reaping what you sowed.

TTP and Afghan Taliban are allies, sharing the same ideology, owing allegiance to the same leader. If you had educagted your youth in Science and culture and progress instead of primitive religious schisms and barbarisms, you would not have had thi burden of a large, brainwashed people ready to follow anybody claiming to fight for islam. There is a reason why such groups crop up every day in Pakistan, but not in neighbouring Iran or India.

 

[Skywalker]

The fact remains that your statement, to which I responded, was bollocks. China trespasses into unmarked regions, and so does India; but only you have the humiliation of all your neighbours killing your soldiers. Unlike the Iranians do to Pakistanis, they don't kill our people. Pakistani soldiers get killed on the Iran border, Afghan border, Indian border. HAHAHA yourself.

And I repeat - neither China nor B'desh is exchaning fire with us as you claimed. That was a lie. In fact we are even training Bangladesh's border guards.

And then you keep living in denial....all your excuses all your bud hurting won't make any difference...we will even the score of with you don't worry...afghanis don't have balls to cross the borders and as far as Iranians are concern again score would have been even if the restraint had not been shown...your soldiers can only kill unarmed civilians that's what they are best at, don't come back crying to us when we reverse your honor back to you.

Typical Indian chanakiya attitude...no wonder why you still worship animals.

 

[raptor22]

You are right about this; however, please do be careful about any conclusions you draw from it! How do you know that the other two,non-Indian groups, are not proxies of India? Proxy warfare is very much a reality in today's world. What is there to stop India from attacking Pakistan openly at the eastern border or LOC, while at the same time two distinct proxies of India attack Pakistanis in very different areas?

Iran proxy of Indian? are you nut? instead of hallucinating seal your borders ...

Iran is not your foe, we are your friend .

 

[waz]

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistan government summoned the Iranian ambassador Saturday to protest the killing of a Pakistani security official by Iranian border guards, an official said.

“The Iranian ambassador was summoned, a protest was lodged and an investigation was demanded into the killing of our security official,” Tasnim Aslam, the spokeswoman for the Pakistani ministry of foreign affairs, said in an interview on Saturday.

A Pakistani paramilitary officer was killed and four soldiers were wounded after their vehicle came under fire from Iranian border guards in Kech district of Baluchistan, the southwestern Pakistani province that borders Iran, according to Pakistani officials. Dozens of Iranian border guards also raided a village in Chagai, another district of Baluchistan.

Tensions have been growing between the neighboring countries after recent allegations by Iranian officials that Sunni militants based in Baluchistan have been mounting strikes against bases and border posts inside Iranian territory.

Pakistani officials have dismissed the allegations and have asked for evidence from Iran.

“If Iran has evidence that elements from Pakistan are involved in activities against Iran, they should share it with us,” Ms. Aslam said Friday during a weekly press briefing. “Our information is that these incidents took place inside Iranian territory by Iranians and that is corroborated by their own accounts. It is not helpful to externalize problems,” Ms. Aslam said.

On Saturday, the situation at the border remained volatile. Provincial officials in Pakistan said Iranian soldiers launched five mortar shells at a Pakistani security post in the Mashkel area of Baluchistan. No casualties were reported.

The border problems with Iran come as Pakistan is also facing growing tensions with India on its eastern border. In recent weeks both countries have accused each other of initiating shooting and mortar attacks along the disputed border of Kashmir. At least 17 people have died and dozens have been wounded this month as Pakistani and Indian forces traded fire on both sides of the Kashmir frontier.

On Saturday, the Pakistani army chief, Gen. Raheel Sharif, speaking during a parade of army cadets in the northern town of Abbottabad, vowed to defend the country against external aggression, although he did not specifically name any countries.

“Sentiments of good will and amity notwithstanding, let there be no doubt that any aggression against our beloved country will get a befitting response and no sacrifice will be too great in this sacred cause,” Gen. Sharif said. “We desire regional stability and relationship based on equality and mutual respect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/w...r-officer-is-killed-on-iran-border-.html?_r=0

 

[Star Wars]

Iran proxy of Indian? are you nut? instead of hallucinating seal your borders ...

Iran is not your foe, we are your friend .

as per pdf entire South asia is our proxy , though Iran is new

 

[halupridol]

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistan government summoned the Iranian ambassador Saturday to protest the killing of a Pakistani security official by Iranian border guards, an official said.

“The Iranian ambassador was summoned, a protest was lodged and an investigation was demanded into the killing of our security official,” Tasnim Aslam, the spokeswoman for the Pakistani ministry of foreign affairs, said in an interview on Saturday.

A Pakistani paramilitary officer was killed and four soldiers were wounded after their vehicle came under fire from Iranian border guards in Kech district of Baluchistan, the southwestern Pakistani province that borders Iran, according to Pakistani officials. Dozens of Iranian border guards also raided a village in Chagai, another district of Baluchistan.

Tensions have been growing between the neighboring countries after recent allegations by Iranian officials that Sunni militants based in Baluchistan have been mounting strikes against bases and border posts inside Iranian territory.

Pakistani officials have dismissed the allegations and have asked for evidence from Iran.

“If Iran has evidence that elements from Pakistan are involved in activities against Iran, they should share it with us,” Ms. Aslam said Friday during a weekly press briefing. “Our information is that these incidents took place inside Iranian territory by Iranians and that is corroborated by their own accounts. It is not helpful to externalize problems,” Ms. Aslam said.

On Saturday, the situation at the border remained volatile. Provincial officials in Pakistan said Iranian soldiers launched five mortar shells at a Pakistani security post in the Mashkel area of Baluchistan. No casualties were reported.

The border problems with Iran come as Pakistan is also facing growing tensions with India on its eastern border. In recent weeks both countries have accused each other of initiating shooting and mortar attacks along the disputed border of Kashmir. At least 17 people have died and dozens have been wounded this month as Pakistani and Indian forces traded fire on both sides of the Kashmir frontier.

On Saturday, the Pakistani army chief, Gen. Raheel Sharif, speaking during a parade of army cadets in the northern town of Abbottabad, vowed to defend the country against external aggression, although he did not specifically name any countries.

“Sentiments of good will and amity notwithstanding, let there be no doubt that any aggression against our beloved country will get a befitting response and no sacrifice will be too great in this sacred cause,” Gen. Sharif said. “We desire regional stability and relationship based on equality and mutual respect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/w...r-officer-is-killed-on-iran-border-.html?_r=0

Iran summons Pakistani ambassador over border killings
By AFP
Updated about 4 hours ago
Iran claims rebels had tried to infiltrate the country which had resulted in the shooting on Thursday.— File photo by AFP
TEHRAN: Iran has summoned the Pakistani ambassador and demanded immediate steps to stop attacks by “terrorists and rebels” that sparked deadly clashes on the countries' border, state media reported Sunday.

Noor Muhammad Jadmani was called to the foreign ministry on Saturday evening following the deaths in the restive border province of Sistan-Balochistan, the official IRNA news agency said.

Iranian Ambassador to Pakistan Ali Raza Haghighian was summoned to the Foreign Office in Islamabad the same day and Pakistan lodged a strong protest with him over the recent shooting which had killed two Iranian border guards and a Pakistani paramilitary officer on Friday evening.

Iran claimed rebels had tried to infiltrate the country.

Also Read: Pakistan asks Iran not to ‘externalise’ its problems

“It is unacceptable that terrorists and rebels attack our country from Pakistani territory and kill our border guards,” the foreign ministry's western Asia director, Rasul Salami, told IRNA.

He asked the Pakistani government to “take serious steps to prevent any recurrence of such incidents,” the news agency said.

Thursday's border shooting came after rebel attacks killed five people in Sistan-Baluchistan province earlier this month, four of them security personnel.

Iranian media said 14 people were arrested in connection with those attacks.

Last month, an Iranian soldier was killed and two pro-government militiamen wounded in an attack authorities blamed on extremist group Jaish-ul Adl (Army of Justice).

The same group captured five Iranian troops in February, four of whom were released in April. The fifth soldier is presumed dead but his fate remains officially unknown.

Sistan-Baluchistan has a large Sunni Muslim community in otherwise predominantly Shia Iran and it has been plagued by violence involving extremists and drug smugglers.

Ethnic Baloch straddle the border into Pakistan's Balochistan province, where a long-running separatist conflict was revived in 2004.

Iran summons Pakistani ambassador over border killings - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[waz]

Summon and counter summon.