Iran is preparing time bomb for Pakistan

[TMA]

Beginning of TTP attacks and West anti-Pakistan rhetoric and pressure.



Most of those groups are Salafist Takfiris. They don’t represent Deobandis.

The propaganda that Deobandis and Wahhabis/Salafis are the same is totally incorrect.

We are essentially Orthodox Sunnis who oppose jahaliyyah customs like too much influence of peers and grave worship. We are also more inclined towards the rule of law (fiqh) and Sufism (which does not lead to kufr.)

Maulana Maududi inspired many people around the world with his writings including Sayyid Qutb in Egypt and Imam Khomeini of Iran.

Actual Deobandis are pro-Shia and pro-Iran as we take influence from the Iranian revolution and our political ideas are not much different.



Yes, we separated long ago. Pakistan’s formation breathed new life into the movement here due to Maulana Maududi and Maulana Shabbir Usmani.

Deoband in India is one of Modi’s biggest supporters, for example. They tend to be very sectarian and archaic as a symptom of being under pressure.

The foundations were laid 2001 to 2007 by the NATO invasion of Afghanistan.

 

[BATMAN]

I have Iranian in my Clan and family, so naturally have infinity for them, also Pakistan has a lot of cultural, language and historical links with Iran.

Also feel a lot of people use Iranian policy as a trick to spread hatred for Shia.

If you by chance have Pakistanis in your clan, than you should not abuse and bad mouth Pakistanis, as well.

I know alot of irani who live close to border get in Pakistan make passport and working in gov sector in Pakistan and overseas. As they says we have families who arr here make money but then they start bringing their families in and become as strong player of that sector.

There are very few of us, who by accidentally come across the dark side of Iranian loyalists in Pakistan.
We know how they are occupying Pakistan, which is by having a mafia based clan system and honey trapping influential people.
As i always maintain, Iran /India can't work freely in Pakistan, unless they have Pakistan's interior ministry in their pockets.
They occupy Pakistan by mafia system, which is overlooked by us Pakistanis.

 

[Crusher]

Export them all to Iran /Afghanistan for good.



On what grounds, Iran has animosity towards Israel?

Iran doesn't even have a shared border with Israel, I mean it is not a situation like Pakistan and India which share thousands of kilometers of border and a disputed border region of Kashmir. Iran behaves like a badmash kind of country, it has problems with everyone around it, it has problems with Saudia Arabia, in Saddam's time with Iraq, before Nato-sponsored current regime it had problems with previous government of Afghanistan too.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

If only those who criticise the recruitment of Shia Pakistani would equally criticise Saudi Arabia, too. The Iranis recruited the minds and hearts of 20k Pakistani, the Saudis did the same with 200 million Pakistani taking an entire nation hostage.

Those who criticise Iran without criticising Saudi Arabia cannot and should not be taken seriously. Out of all the Shia populations, you have one of the most loyal one. Pakistani Shia are calm, decent and loyal citizens of Pakistan. Don't cause damage which you won't be able to fix.

 

[El Sidd]

If only those who criticise the recruitment of Shia Pakistani would equally criticise Saudi Arabia, too. The Iranis recruited the minds and hearts of 20k Pakistani, the Saudis did the same with 200 million Pakistani taking an entire nation hostage.

Those who criticise Iran without criticising Saudi Arabia cannot and should not be taken seriously. Out of all the Shia populations, you have one of the most loyal one. Pakistani Shia are calm, decent and loyal citizens of Pakistan. Don't cause damage which you won't be able to fix.

So either its secular vision or favoritism?

The Saudis did not fight the Russians in Afghanistan. They countered the Iranian influence.

We should not be forced to pick and choose.

Blaming the Iranian state does not mean oppressing minorities in Pakistan.

 

[925boy]

But question still remains why a religious fundamentalist regime in Iran is acceptable to western powers since 1979 .

Thats a big fat lie. US has just been unable to change the type of govt in Iran.

Iran is the ally the US wants .

Is Iran the ally the US wants? yes
Is Iran the ally the US has? NO.

 

[El Sidd]

Thats a big fat lie. US has just been unable to change the type of govt in Iran.

why should it? lol

 

[PakmanUSA]

Shia vs Sunni... Does it ever end? Who gains from it in the end? Who fuels it all? Often we have more questions than answers.

 

[925boy]

If Saudi is involved in proxy war fare in Pakistan, we'll definitely tell them to stop as well.

Saudis are already involved in proxy warfare in Pakistan. You cant tell them to stop, because you got paid....... to not tell them that.

For us Pakistanis our national interest is supreme. And we can not allow anyone to start any wars in our country.

Everyone will say national interest is supreme so what exactly does that even mean? Saudis+ GCC for sure have already started war in your country. Your country is actively involved in several wars so i dont understand what u mean by "we wont allow anyone start any wars in our country".

But for now, Iran has shown by all its action that it has become a very hostile country to Pakistan.

What did you expect after Pakistan allowed GCC countries use proxies in Pakistan to suicide bomb 29 IRGC soldiers in Iran?

And as much as I would like to have good relationship with this country, we should never let our guard down and stop looking at this country with "brotherly glasses".

NObody should let their guard down. Stragetically, Iran and Pakistan know they dont like each other already. What they say about each other in public is for the dumb masses who dont know better.

 

[coffee_cup]

Saudis are already involved in proxy warfare in Pakistan. You cant tell them to stop, because you got paid....... to not tell them that.


Everyone will say national interest is supreme so what exactly does that even mean? Saudis+ GCC for sure have already started war in your country. Your country is actively involved in several wars so i dont understand what u mean by "we wont allow anyone start any wars in our country".


What did you expect after Pakistan allowed GCC countries use proxies in Pakistan to suicide bomb 29 IRGC soldiers in Iran?

NObody should let their guard down. Stragetically, Iran and Pakistan know they dont like each other already. What they say about each other in public is for the dumb masses who dont know better.

You are hurling accusations left and right without any tangible evidence.
Talk about yourself and let us worry about Saudis and others.
When are you finally going to stop to
a) allow Indians to use your country as a terrorism launchpad against Pakistan and
b) spread your sectarianism venom in Pakistan and other countries in the region?

That the oppressed Sunni and other minorities have started to target you, is Iran's internal problem and has nothing to do with us. You have started to train youths from many countries around the world for your agenda so it is just natural that some of them at some time turn against you. Then don't blame the country of their origin. Just stop feeding the snakes who will at some time bite you back.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

If you by chance have Pakistanis in your clan, than you should not abuse and bad mouth Pakistanis, as well.


There are very few of us, who by accidentally come across the dark side of Iranian loyalists in Pakistan.
We know how they are occupying Pakistan, which is by having a mafia based clan system and honey trapping influential people.
As i always maintain, Iran /India can't work freely in Pakistan, unless they have Pakistan's interior ministry in their pockets.
They are occupy Pakistan by mafia system, which is overlooked by us Pakistanis.

For sure we know mqm from india ppp uzair balouch from iran.

 

[BATMAN]

For sure we know mqm from india ppp uzair balouch from iran.

Bhai jan PPP is holy cow in Pakistan.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Bhai jan PPP is holy cow in Pakistan.

qurbani walay din isee ki qurbani daini hogi

 

[araz]

don't relate Pakistani Shia to Iran.

The Shias of Paklands are Pakistani through and through.You also have to understand that a lot of shias immigrated to other lands after the religious fervor Zia indulged in in the 80s resulted in a lor of killing od innocent Shias.This is the sad part of it all. We talk of Shias/Sunnis/ Deobandis and Barelvis but are we not ALL muslims first believing in one Allah and his Rasool SAW? Can we not unite on this principal and work towards a better Pakistan rather than religious bigotry and that goes to both sides without any bias.
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[shahbaz baig]

If only those who criticise the recruitment of Shia Pakistani would equally criticise Saudi Arabia, too. The Iranis recruited the minds and hearts of 20k Pakistani, the Saudis did the same with 200 million Pakistani taking an entire nation hostage.

Those who criticise Iran without criticising Saudi Arabia cannot and should not be taken seriously. Out of all the Shia populations, you have one of the most loyal one. Pakistani Shia are calm, decent and loyal citizens of Pakistan. Don't cause damage which you won't be able to fix.

Only sane comment in entire thread.

@waz @hours @Irfan Baloch @Dubious

Kindly don't allow sectarian debates on PDF.

I am wahabi but I consider shia & Sunni both are my Muslim brothers.

KSA & Iran both are stupid countries, they are gradually destroying Muslim world. Pakistan needs to mediate in order to eradicate hates between KSA & Iran.