Iran in Crisis

[Sargon of Akkad]

I left islam because of Quran and muhammad and not because shiasm or wilayet al faqih because like I said if a sunni leaves islam the shia would tell him that he was not a real muslim following real islam rather than Umayyad made islam and the same goes to you

When did I say something against arabs don't you see you always jumb from subject to another and always try to make it personal??!

Why? Are you a Semitic Pagan now?

I am not personal but why are you thanking posts of well-known anti-Arabs and anti-Muslims and thanking posts that praise genocidal individuals (Safavids) who were extremists according to your worldview? Makes no sense. More so when Safavids attacked Iraq and killed people there and destroyed much heritage. Don't you know this?

Oh god you watched that bullshit?

Oh god no wonder you are such a idiot! HAHAHAHAHA!



Everything makes so much sense now, you have been brainwashed by liars

He is a good user but sometimes he is trolling. I don't think that he left anything he is just trolling but I hope for him that he no longer follows/is influenced by Wilayat al-Faqih.

Anyway @Arabi created this thread because an Iranian troll (100) made anti-Arab threads earlier today. Anyway much of the information in this article is correct.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Such individuals make up a tiny minority in the overall picture. There are 1.3 billion Sunnis or so of which 30.000 are engaged in militant Islamism in hotspots where the conflict is more about power and historical grievances than sect.

Anyway it is evident that Sunni Islam was much better for Iran historically speaking. Can you name a single well-known Iranian scientist post Safavids? I cannot mention a single. And I am not talking about modern-day times.

As for Tajiks, I do not see an identity crisis among them (outside the Russified lot in Tajikistan proper) or hostility against Islam, or some of the complies/dilemmas that certain Iranians, mostly diaspora, deal with.

And let's not forget the greatest irony of it all. Anti-Muslims and anti-Arabs like you complain about "Arabs" such as Khamenai, Khomeini etc. but their ancestors were imported by the Safavids that you hail. Today their descendants can be counted in the millions. Alone on this forum many of your compatriots, I can at least count 5-6, have claimed or either claim to have a mother or father that is a Sayyid and ancestral tables showing this. One has written in this very thread (AmirPatriot). There must be something about this when so many people write about it online and in person, so even if we assume that 50% of them are false claims, the remaining 50% would still be a huge number.

I kept the relevant parts of what you wrote. Even the tiny minority can destroy a country. Between 2003 and 2011 there 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq. According to you they're just a tiny minority (1003 out of 1,3 billion sunnis) and you're correct, however we can see what kind of damage such a tiny minority causes. So to prevent this tiny minority doing such things it's not a problem to take some radical measures.

It's not and it was never evident that sunni Islam was better for Iran or the broader Iranic peopes. In times of (partly) Iranian descent shia dynasties, like buyids, safavids, zand dynasty Iranians had stability, relative peace and prosperity, independency. Great figures such as Karim Khan Zand, Shah Abbas.

If the safavids didnt import ancestors of figures such as khamenei Iran would be afghanistan now. So in that time they made a decision with positive outcome for Iran. Most of these prophets children are fake by the way (as you mentioned earlier).

In whole Iran j1c3 which is supposed to be semitic/arab dna is shared by average 5,6% of Iranians, and this outcomes even needs further research to see what the exact arab share is, because among "non-mixed" zoroastrians j1c3 is 7,6% !!, so eventually it could mean that this j1c3 could have another source.

I would like to show this example of sayyid business in ottoman Turkey which is funny
(In the Ottoman Empire, tax breaks for "the People of the House" encouraged many people to buy certificates of descent or forge genealogies; the phenomenon of teseyyüd – falsely claiming noble ancestry – spread across ethnic, class, and religious boundaries. In the 17th century, an Ottoman bureaucrat estimated that there were 300,000 impostors. In 18th-century Anatolia, nearly all upper-class urban people claimed descent from Muhammad)

I've no identity crisis, I'm Iranian and unlike some who blow themselves up I don't need arab identity or aspects of arab identity. Many Iranian youth have the same feeling, families give their children Iranian names and we are more interested in our own culture. If some seyeds or arabs in Iran don't like that they can move to Raqqa or Mosul, they're my enemy and I would kill them , but if they love and serve Iran, they're my brothers and I'll love them. Not all arab youth has to be muslim or baathist or salafist, there are other options.

 

[SALMAN F]

Oh god you watched that bullshit?

Oh god no wonder you are such a idiot! HAHAHAHAHA!



Everything makes so much sense now, you have been brainwashed by liars

Go an eat sahan koshari like your el sisi who lived on water for ten years he didnt have anything in his refrigerator

 

[Aramagedon]

Great measure of Saudi Wahhabi rants in this thread.

 

[SALMAN F]

Why? Are you a Semitic Pagan now?

I am not personal but why are you thanking posts of well-known anti-Arabs and anti-Muslims and thanking posts that praise genocidal individuals (Safavids) who were extremists according to your worldview? Makes no sense. More so when Safavids attacked Iraq and killed people there and destroyed much heritage. Don't you know this?



He is a good user but sometimes he is trolling. I don't think that he left anything he is just trolling but I hope for him that he no longer follows/is influenced by Wilayat al-Faqih.

Anyway @Arabi created this thread because an Iranian troll (100) made anti-Arab threads earlier today. Anyway much of the information in this article is correct.

I didn't praise then but I like how they saved iran from sunnism just like how ataturk did in turkey and how they fought and massacred the sunni ottoman barbarians

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

I kept the relevant parts of what you wrote. Even the tiny minority can destroy a country. Between 2003 and 2011 there 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq. According to you they're just a tiny minority (1003 out of 1,3 billion sunnis) and you're correct, however we can see what kind of damage such a tiny minority causes. So to prevent this tiny minority doing such things it's not a problem to take some radical measures.

It's not and it was never evident that sunni Islam was better for Iran or the broader Iranic peopes. In times of (partly) Iranian descent shia dynasties, like buyids, safavids, zand dynasty Iranians had stability, relative peace and prosperity, independency. Great figures such as Karim Khan Zand, Shah Abbas.

If the safavids didnt import ancestors of figures such as khamenei Iran would be afghanistan now. So in that time they made a decision with positive outcome for Iran. Most of these prophets children are fake by the way (as you mentioned earlier).

In whole Iran j1c3 which is supposed to be semitic/arab dna is shared by average 5,6% of Iranians, and this outcomes even needs further research to see what the exact arab share is, because among "non-mixed" zoroastrians j1c3 is 7,6% !!, so eventually it could mean that this j1c3 could have another source.

I would like to show this example of sayyid business in ottoman Turkey which is funny
(In the Ottoman Empire, tax breaks for "the People of the House" encouraged many people to buy certificates of descent or forge genealogies; the phenomenon of teseyyüd – falsely claiming noble ancestry – spread across ethnic, class, and religious boundaries. In the 17th century, an Ottoman bureaucrat estimated that there were 300,000 impostors. In 18th-century Anatolia, nearly all upper-class urban people claimed descent from Muhammad)

I've no identity crisis, I'm Iranian and unlike some who blow themselves up I don't need arab identity or aspects of arab identity. Many Iranian youth have the same feeling, families give their children Iranian names and we are more interested in our own culture. If some seyeds or arabs in Iran don't like that they can move to Raqqa or Mosul.

Can you tell me about the damage that the Safavids did and subsequent Shia Twelver dynasties in Iran, most recently the Mullah's? There is no comparison in this regard really. Compared to the numbers of Sunnis worldwide and historically speaking, there is no religious population of this size that have been as peaceful in history. Christian for instance, say Roman Catholics (the biggest Christian sect) have been much, much bloodier and Hindus in India have enslaved and thus killed millions of their own since time immortal and continue to do so. Infanticide being a whole separate topic here.

What you are saying is nonsense. Iran under Sunni majority rule excelled in what I mentioned earlier. Afterwards this has not been the case.

Iran was like Afghanistan 90 years ago, except for a few big cities, before oil and gas was discovered. I am not sure if there is much difference between Iranian Khorasan and Western Afghanistan in terms of village life and the average villages.

Well, it is good that you consider the Mullah's ruling Iran a positive thing.

As for that haplogroup, there is no haplogroup called "Arab", "Iranian" or whatever as they all predate modern-day ethnic groups by several millennia. Most of those haplogroups originate from the Arab world, in particular Arabia, anyway as this is were all humans outside of Sub-Saharan Africa originate from originally and where some of the biggest haplogroup diversity can be found. J1 and J2 are the most common haplogroups in Iran which is also the case in the Arab world, at least the immediate Arab Near East, Egypt, Libya and Maghreb included.

Turkey is not Iran or the Arab world. In any case there is an almost 2-3 million big Turkish Arab community that predates the Turkic arrivals to Anatolia and moreover many Turks of today have Arab ancestry as they migrated to Anatolia during the Ottoman Empire and became Turkified.

You, as an Atheist Iranian, might not have those identity crisis or dilemmas, but many Iranians have that inside and outside of Iran.

And it is not my business what Iranians or Nigerians belief in. Nothing to do with my previous points.

I didn't praise then but I like how they saved iran from sunnism just like how ataturk did in turkey and how they fought and massacred the sunni ottoman barbarians

Saved Iran from Sunnism? What was there to save from? Turkey remains 90% Sunni Muslim. Ataturk himself was a Sunni Muslim. Yes, but they also committed crimes in Iraq but I guess you don't care about that?

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

I didn't praise then but I like how they saved iran from sunnism just like how ataturk did in turkey and how they fought and massacred the sunni ottoman barbarians

You do realize that Ataturk was a Sunni Muslim right?

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

You do realize that Ataturk was a Sunni Muslim right?

Many people are muslim in name.

 

[Aramagedon]

@waz Check this thread opened by a Saudi wahhabi clown.

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

Go an eat sahan koshari like your el sisi who lived on water for ten years he didnt have anything in his refrigerator

@EgyptianAmerican @Malik Alashter

We are great comedians, I have to admit this.

 

[SALMAN F]

You do realize that Ataturk was a Sunni Muslim right?

Yes just how enver hoxha was bektashi muslim!

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Many people are muslim in name.

Yes just how enver hoxha was bektashi muslim!

No Ataturk was a practicing Sunni Muslim.

On 1 March 1924, at the Assembly, Mustafa Kemal said:

The religion of Islam will be elevated if it will cease to be a political instrument, as had been the case in the past.[80]


He even translated the Qur'an to Turkish

Here is his wife

With the King of Iraq

With the King of Jordan

 

[MultaniGuy]

No Ataturk was a practicing Sunni Muslim.

On 1 March 1924, at the Assembly, Mustafa Kemal said:

The religion of Islam will be elevated if it will cease to be a political instrument, as had been the case in the past.[80]


He even translated the Qur'an to Turkish

Here is his wife

With the King of Iraq

With the King of Jordan

I thought ataturk drank alcohol and was a traitor.

 

[Aramagedon]

Thank God I am a Shia and not a Wahhabi bloodthirsty nutjob... Thank God, unlike many countries wahhabi virus has not reached Iran and will never do.

We are followers of prophet's (pbuh) family and generation, who showed us true way of Islam. We are not some wahhabi nutjobs who want to go to heaven by blowing themselves between dozens of Muslims and kill several women, men and children, rape, loot, crucify them.

 

[Śakra]

Iran have no crisis...They have no PKK terrorists blowing up their cities, nor ISIS in their country shooting people at nightclubs.

And why is that's? Why is it ISIS has attacked Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UK, USA, France, pakistan, India. Basically everyone besides Israel and Iran?