Iran has rockets ‘to attack Saudi Arabia’

[EpiiC]

Iran has a better space programme than KSA agreed.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Iraqis didn't fight against thier country but against the Baathists scums who oppressed them

Saudis are the last people on the planet to talk about dignity and honor because you don't have any


You just confirmed what I said it was the west and east who saved the Baathists scums from iran defeat

If I am not wrong Assad is also a Baathists scum,who happens to be an oppressor.

 

[SALMAN F]

If I am not wrong Assad is also a Baathists scum,who happens to be an oppressor.

He is
And happen in Syria is not my business

 

[raptor22]

When Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq, quite deliberately started the war, he miscalculated on two counts: first, in attacking a country greatly disorganized by revolution but also greatly energized by it-and whose regime could be consolidated only by a long “patriotic” war, as with all revolutionary regimes; and second, at the level of theater strategy, in launching a surprise invasion against a very large country whose strategic depth he was not even trying to penetrate. Had Iran been given ample warning, it would have mobilized its forces to defend its borderlands; that would have made the Iraqi invasion much more difficult, but in the process the bulk of Iranian forces might have been defeated, possibly forcing Iran to accept a cease-fire on Iraqi terms. As it was, the initial Iraqi offensive thrusts landed in the void, encountering only weak border units before reaching their logistical limits. At that point, Iran had only just started to mobilize in earnest.

From then on, until the final months of the war eight years later, Iraq was forced on the strategic defensive, having to face periodic Iranian offensives on one sector or another, year after year. After losing most of his territorial gains by May 1982 (when Iran recaptured Khorramshahr), Saddam Hussein’s strategic response was to proclaim a unilateral cease-fire (June 10, 1982) while ordering Iraqi forces to withdraw to the border. But Iran rejected a cease-fire, demanding the removal of Saddam Hussein and compensation for war damage. Upon Iraq’s refusal, Iran launched an invasion into Iraqi territory (Operation Ramadan, on July 13, 1982) in the first of many attempts over the coming years to conquer Basra, Iraq’s second city and only real port.

But revolutionary Iran was very limited in its tactically offensive means. Cut off from U.S. supplies for its largely U.S.-equipped forces and deprived of the shah’s officer cadres who had been driven into exile, imprisoned, or killed, it never managed to reconstitute effective armored formations or its once large and modern air force. Iran’s army and Pasdaran revolutionary guards could mount only massed infantry attacks supported by increasingly strong artillery fire. They capitalized on Iran’s morale and population advantage (forty million versus Iraq’s thirteen million), but although foot infantry could breach Iraqi defense lines from time to time, if only by costly human-wave attacks, it could not penetrate deeply enough in the aftermath to achieve decisive results.

http://www.history.com/topics/iran-iraq-war

There was no actual ceasefire or peace plan till 598 resolution .. if he wanted to withdraw to the borders he could have done it unilaterally as he started the war .. but he didn't ... moreover ceasefire for what ? base on what? let him to equip his army and attack again? Kuwait invasion proved Iran stance to not trust him he bit the hands that fed him let alone Iran ... he should have accepted Algeria agreement again that was torn apart by him before the war and returned to the borders .. he was receiving BMs, fighter jets , AD systems, Tanks , ammunition, anti ship missiles, satellite footage , political support, petrol dollars , chemical weapons, manpower and even nuclear reactor during war from the USA, France, the Soviet Union , England , Arab monarchies in the region .. while dependent Iran army supports was cut off after revolution ... for example Iran destroyed Iraqi air force 3 times but at the end Saddam fighter jet was more than the beginning of the war 'cause he had was buying from France and Russia (SU) ...

 

[SOHEIL]

Iran has a better space programme than KSA agreed.

KSA ... Space program !?

 

[EpiiC]

KSA ... Space program !?

They don't have a proper space program. Israel is spying on Pakistan's nuke reactors using it's satellites, Pakistan is also way behind....Islamic countries are going through big time crisis, it's a low point in our history compared the Golden era .

 

[DarX]

There was no actual ceasefire or peace plan till 598 resolution .. if he wanted to withdraw to the borders he could have done it unilaterally as he started the war .. but he didn't ... moreover ceasefire for what ? base on what? let him to equip his army and attack again? Kuwait invasion proved Iran stance to not trust him he bit the hands that fed him let alone Iran ... he should have accepted Algeria agreement again that was torn apart by him before the war and returned to the borders .. he was receiving BMs, fighter jets , AD systems, Tanks , ammunition, anti ship missiles, satellite footage , political support, petrol dollars , chemical weapons, manpower and even nuclear reactor during war from the USA, France, the Soviet Union , England , Arab monarchies in the region .. while dependent Iran army supports was cut off after revolution ... for example Iran destroyed Iraqi air force 3 times but at the end Saddam fighter jet was more than the beginning of the war 'cause he had was buying from France and Russia (SU) ...

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Wikipedia is not a great source. Any over zealous person can fudge the facts and figures to suit their own argument, and it is clear where these figures have come from. As an example, Iraq never had the capacity to operate 1000 fighter bombers in its entire history. Having a large air force is complicated business. So the point is, we have to look beyond the propaganda of the state. The Iran-Iraq war and the destruction of Iraq afterwards had much larger influencing factors than the personality of Saddam Hussein only.

 

[EpiiC]

Wikipedia is not a great source. Any over zealous person can fudge the figures to suit their own argument, and it is clear where these figures have come from. As an example, Iraq never had the capacity to operate 1000 fighter bombers in its entire history. Having a large air force is complicated business. So the point is, we have to look beyond the propaganda of the state.

Are Arab air force pilots even capable and skilled ? I know Nato and Israel have the most capable and skilled air force and pilots.

 

[DarX]

If I am not wrong Assad is also a Baathists scum,who happens to be an oppressor.

He might be a Baathist, and he might have an oppressive state system, but for the Syrians, he is the only defender of their lives right now.

Are Arab air force pilots even capable and skilled ? I know Nato and Israel have the most capable and skilled air force and pilots.

Sir I also thought so but now I see that the most potent weapon Israel has is vociferous propaganda. It forces people to believe that it is invincible and it drowns out all opposing facts. So I no longer believe that the Arab forces are completely devoid of skills. It is rather a fact that Israel and its sponsors in the West constantly keep the Arab states in state of chaos so that they would not be able to challenge them instead.

 

[EpiiC]

He might be a Baathist, and he might have an oppressive state system, but for the Syrians, he is the only defender of their lives right now.



Sir I also thought so but now I see that the most potent weapon Israel has is vociferous propaganda. It forces people to believe that it is invincible and it drowns out all opposing facts. So I no longer believe that the Arab forces are completely devoid of skills. It is rather a fact that Israel and its sponsors in the West constantly keep the Arab states in state of chaos so that they would not be able to challenge them instead.

Israel does propaganda I agree, but it's really not the Wests fault for why the Arab states are in chaos, KSA/UAE/QTR have so much money yet their population is not skilled they have to import workers because their own people not knowledgeable or skilled, I think they are using Pakistani pilots for their Yemen war and also other mercenaries...

 

[Hassan Guy]

But Saudi Arabia is getting the Thaad tho

 

[EpiiC]

But Saudi Arabia is getting the Thaad tho

There is a better version of THAAD being developed called THAAD ER which has triple the range and better divert capability.... AEGIS and GMD is better than THAAD.... I think American staff will be the ones maintaining it too.

 

[DarX]

Israel does propaganda I agree, but it's really not the Wests fault for why the Arab states are in chaos, KSA/UAE/QTR have so much money yet their population is not skilled they have to import workers because their own people not knowledgeable or skilled, I think they are using Pakistani pilots for their Yemen war and also other mercenaries...

Yes that is a sad fact that the Arabs have been irresponsible with their wealth.

 

[raptor22]

Wikipedia is not a great source. Any over zealous person can fudge the facts and figures to suit their own argument, and it is clear where these figures have come from. As an example, Iraq never had the capacity to operate 1000 fighter bombers in its entire history. Having a large air force is complicated business. So the point is, we have to look beyond the propaganda of the state. The Iran-Iraq war and the destruction of Iraq afterwards had much larger influencing factors than the personality of Saddam Hussein only.

well there are other sources:
Aircraft:


Tanks and land armament:

Those whom armed Iraq:

 

[EpiiC]

well there are other sources:
Aircraft:
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Tanks and land armament:
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Those whom armed Iraq:
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What do you of this KSA airforce, I think Iran has better pilots than KSA but KSA has better planes.... what do you think?