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Drones, satellites (sophisticated ones), missiles..this is done and still going..
Submarines, corvettes (you call them destroyers..no problem!), AD systems (being worked out with Ukraine as we speak), tanks, Abrams are assembled in KSA (next logical move is indigenous tanks..their electronics+ are 100% made in KSA), choppers (as you know the production line and ToT for the black hawk is coming very soon), fighter jets( wings and forward parts of the F-15s plus many electronic parts for the radars and avionics are Made in KSA.. and this is not any plane..).. a lot is still to be done .. so KSA is on its way with high quality systems..

Good for you.... I just responded to a guy that was misinformed .. what Iran is doing is significant our students are even somehow banned to study in high-tech majors, even to buy a defensive weapon like S-300 we waited more than a decade .. and in this situation and under toughest sanctions we've managed all these achievements ... Iran is amongst a handful number of countries that is capable not only design its own satellites but also put them into the orbit , or AD system you can not name many countries that have designed their own Systems in all layers .. or on drones , Iran is amongst first countries dated back in 80s which used drones in real war and armed them and also for surveillance.....Iran Qaher fight jets has gone under test before preparation of the flight as we had Saeghe 2 and now Kowsar as trainer jet ...
And submarines and destroyers again we produce them on our own heavier ones are on the way ,
But the main problem in Iran is money ..
 
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Two jewish satanic masonic 9/11s killings innocents in New York and Mecca and 9/11 New York cause death of 3 million Afghan and Iraqi Muslims by yankees and Saudi citizens reminisce it with proud and pride. What the helly world we are living in! God damn Zionists and brother of satan " Saudi Najdi satan worshippers clan "

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Good for you.... I just responded to a guy that was misinformed .. what Iran is doing is significant our students are even somehow banned to study in high-tech majors, even to buy a defensive weapon like S-300 we waited more than a decade .. and in this situation and under toughest sanctions we've managed all these achievements ... Iran is amongst a handful number of countries that is capable not only design its own satellites but also put them into the orbit , or AD system you can not name many countries that have designed their own Systems in all layers .. or on drones , Iran is amongst first countries dated back in 80s which used drones in real war and armed them and also for surveillance.....Iran Qaher fight jets has gone under test before preparation of the flight as we had Saeghe 2 and now Kowsar as trainer jet ...
And submarines and destroyers again we produce them on our own heavier ones are on the way ,
But the main problem in Iran is money ..
I am aware of all of it..and happy for Iran's achievements.. I have been following the Iranian defence forum for a long time and you can see my contributions there on all relevant threads.. always positive and defending its achievements..

What the helly world we are living in!
That is a good question..
 
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That is a good question..
Imagine if there was no Saudi regime and we Iranians - Arabs, Sunnis - Shiites were two good friends like Germany, France and Holland.

Stupidity would be perished and millions lives of Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain etc... would be saved.

Alas Zionists, Americans and Saudis don't want stability in the world especially in poor countries.
 
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I am aware of all of it..and happy for Iran's achievements.. I have been following the Iranian defence forum for a long time and you can see my contributions there on all relevant threads.. always positive and defending its achievements..


That is a good question..
It's much more up to date :

 
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Imagine if there was no Saudi regime and we Iranians - Arabs, Sunnis - Shiites were two good friends like Germany, France and Holland.

Stupidity would be perished and millions lives of Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain etc... would be saved.

Alas Zionists, Americans and Saudis don't want stability in the world especially in poor countries.
I agree with you on all those concerns but I don't put KSA in the causes..
You will come to understand these world games one day and you won't blame Saudi Arabia anymore..
 
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I understand it very well..it is just that you are not the only ones in that category in the middle east.. i hope you understand it too..
Milking is a big word.. try to find statistics about foreign professors, Engineers doctors...etc in the US and Europe.. they are a value plus not a burden..

Then why don't you tell me which middle eastern countries have running indigenous MRBM/LACM's/AD programs along with unconventional capability ? Israel is offcourse there but who else ?

US and Europe are free liberal first world societies with low birth rate, where people go to live a better and liberal life and have more money making opportunities. Your country is neither liberal, secular nor first world with low birth rate problem. Your country takes expats in masses because your local population doesn't have the will to learn these skills or work. Everyone knows that.
 
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Then why don't you tell me which middle eastern countries have running indigenous MRBM/LACM's/AD programs along with unconventional capability ? Israel is offcourse there but who else ?

US and Europe are free liberal first world societies with low birth rate, where people go to live a better and liberal life and have more money making opportunities. Your country is neither liberal, secular nor first world with low birth rate problem. Your country takes expats in masses because your local population doesn't have the will to learn these skills or work. Everyone knows that.
Why you don't go check other threads on the subject and read the articles about KSA today in reality and not as you just picture it in your mind.. I am sure you won't be saying this anymore..
 
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Which weapons ? lol ... no country in the region has any CBRN arsenal, not even running indigenous effective MRBM/LACM programs except Iran. No middle eastern or central asian country can launch hundreds of indigenous BMs, LACMs except Iran (Israel is another one). We are in yemen, iraq, syria, lebanon, afghanistan ... these games of attrition will continue, no one cares ... but if our nation and people are seriously thretened by our savage enemy, with unconventional warheads such as fifth generation CW our missile forces can carry out the mutually assured destruction of the enemy entity. Again we are no expat run nation with 60 % expat doctors, 85 % expat engineers and 30 % Foreign teachers milking us. Our country is run by sons of the soil not expats. You would not understand it.
As far as I'm aware we are not in Yemen and never was there .
And more importantly Yemen war is one of the most pointless and saddest war in human history that is a nothing but a stain in the face of humanity.


And by the way we never had any chemical warhead or such warheads.
 
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Have good dreams.. but these numbers do not add up at all, in the Shah Era till the revolution Iran had the biggest armed forces of the middle east.. so that 110 to 150 000 soldiers say it is a blatant lie and even less than Iraq?.. I know that anyone can write anything on Wikipedia but not to this nonsense insulting peoples intelligence..


"Mohamed Reza Shah followed his father’s military and strategic ambition and wanted to make his country the strongest military power in the Middle East and South Asia. The backbone of this strategy was to create large, strong, and modern armed forces. This strategy was based on a close cooperation and partnership with Western powers, particularly the United States. Huge arms deals were signed between Washington and Tehran. This unofficial alliance proved crucial in containing the Soviet influence in the region. The Iranian army also played a significant role in defending the Sultan of Oman and defeating the leftist-separatist rebellion in Dhofar."

http://www.mei.edu/content/iran’s-regular-army-its-history-and-capacities
We all know that some Iranian generals were executed after the revolution, but they mostly came from the imperial guard the most loyal to the Shah..
Iran fought Iraq with its regular army, Basij and IRGC were formed after the difficulties faced by the regular army..
It is just not possible to compare some insurgents with countries..



The Imperial Iranian Ground Force


During the late 1970s the Imperial Iranian Ground Forces, was undergoing a rapid increase in strength. In 1979 it was a largely mechanized and armored force of about 285,000 troops, organized in 3 corps, with headquarters in Tehran area, in Shiraz in the south, and in Kermanshah near the Iraq border. There was even Plans for a fourth corps, to be established at the new Chah Bahar complex at the eastern end of the Persian Gulf. Major ground formations included 3 armored divisions (One more in organization in Sistan) each with six tank battalions and five mechanized infantry battalions, 3 infantry divisions, 2 Imperial Guard Divisions and 4 independent brigades (1 armored, 1 infantry, 1 airborne and 1 Special Forces) and the Army Aviation Command. These combat units, backed up by the usual complement of support units, were said to be 85 percent operational. During the mid-1970s fully 80 percent of Irans ground forces were deployed along the Iraqi border, though official sources maintained that a large portion of these could be sent anywhere in the country within twenty-four hours by means of air force transports. Troop deployment was expected to shift south during the late 1970s with the opening of the Chah Bahar facility.


Total (in 1979): 285,000

Reserves: 300,000

Main Unites:




    • 16th Armored Division - Ghazvin
    • 81th Armored Division - Kermanshah
    • 92th Armored Division - Khuzestan
    • 88th Armored Division - Sistan
    • 1th Infantry Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
    • 2th Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
    • 28th Infantry Division - Kurdistan
    • 64th Infantry Division - Rezaieh
    • 77th Infantry Division - Khorasan
    • 84th Infantry Brigade - Khoramabad (Division during the war with Iraq)
    • 55th Airborne Brigade - Shiraz (Division during the war with Iraq)
    • 23th Special forces Brigade - Nohed -Tehran (Division during the war with Iraq)
    • 37th Armored Brigade - Shiraz
    • 11th Artillery Unit
    • 22th Artillery Unit
    • 23th Artillery Unit
    • 44th Artillery Unit
    • 55th Artillery Unit
    • Hawk missiles Battalions (4 units)
Armour In the IIGF

Major Equipment On Order:





    • Shir1 (Chieftain) Tanks - 1971 (800), 1974 (740), 1976 (1480), 1977 (1220)
    • Shir2 (Chieftain) Tanks -1979 (1297)
    • Scorpion Tanks - 1976 (250), 1977 (110),1979 (110)
    • M-113A1 APC - 1979 (108)
    • BMP-1 AIFV - 1979 (x)
Guns and Howitzers
1971
1974
1976
1977
1979
75mm towed
/
/
650
/
710
85mm towed
M101 (105 mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
330
330
330
130mm towed
/
M114 (155mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
/
102
M115 (203 mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
14
M109/M109A1 (155 mm) SP
50
313
440
440
M-107 (175 mm) SP
38
/
/
46
M-110 (203 mm) SP
14
/
42
51
BM-21 (122 mm) MRL


/
64
64
72
Major Equipment On Order:
1977
1979
Asu-85 (Anti Tank Gun)


(x)
(x)

The main Imperial Iranian Infantry units were:





    • 1th Infantry Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
    • 2th Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
    • 28th Infantry Division - Kurdistan
    • 64th Infantry Division - Rezaieh
    • 77th Infantry Division - Khorasan
    • 84th Infantry Brigade - Khoramabad
The following weapon systems were employed by the Imperial Iranian Army units:

Rifels/Machine Guns
1974
1976
1977
M-1 Garand 7.62 mm Rifle
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M-3A1 9 mm Sub-machine gun
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G-3A3, G-3A4 7.62 mm
/
UZI 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
MP-5 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
COLT M-1911A1 11 mm Pistol
/
M-2 (0.50") 12.7 mm Machine-Gun
M-1919A4 (0.30) 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
M-1919A6 (0.30) 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
MG-3A1 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
M-79 40 mm
Mortars
1974
1976
1977
M-19 60 mm (U.S.A)
M-1 81 mm (U.S.A)
/
M-29 81 mm (U.S.A)
/
M-30 107 mm (4.2") (U.S.A)
/
M-53 (4.2") (U.S.A)
/
M-34A2 (U.S.A)
/

M-65 120 mm (Soltam)
/
Anti Tank Missiles - RCL
1974
1976
1977
ENTAC ATGW
SS-11 ATGW
/
/
/
SS-12 ATGW
/
/
/
TOW ATGW
/
/
/
DRAGON ATGW
order
/
M-18A1 57 mm RL
M-20 75 mm RL
M-9A1 Bazuka 89 mm RL (3.5 ")
M-40A1 106 mm RCL
/
/
RPG-7V
Major Equipment On Order:



    • ASU-85 (Anti Tank ) - 1977 (x) - 1979 (x)
Aircraft History from when HIM entered the throne



Year

Aircraft Type

Builder / Origin

Qty

1944 (1323) Anson A.V. Roe England 15
1946 (1325) Hurricane England 6+
1948 (1327) P-47D ThunderBolt Republic U.S.A. 60
1949 (1328) C-47Dakota Douglas U.S.A. 22+
1950 (1329) L-4
L-20(DHC-2)
Stearman
AT-6 Texan Piper U.S.A.
DeHavilland Canada
Stearman U.S.A.
North American U.S.A. 36
8
15
37
1956 (1335) T-33A
Ilyushin14 IL-14 Lockheed U.S.A.
ILYUSHIN Russia 18
1
1957 (1336) F-84G ThunderJet Republic U.S.A. 34
1959 (1338) R\T-33 Lockheed U.S.A. 12
1960 (1339) F-86F Le Sabre North American U.S.A. 48
1963 (1342) C-130H Hercules
UH-19 Lockheed U.S.A.
Sikorsky U.S.A. 42
12/?
1965 (1343) F-5 A/B
HH-43 Northrop U.S.A.
Kaman U.S.A. 127
12/?
1968 (1347) F-4D Phantom
AB-206JetRanger McDonnell U.S.A.
Bell U.S.A. 32
2+
1969 (1348) UH-1D Bell U.S.A. 12/?
1970 (1349) O-2A Cessna U.S.A. 12
1971 (1350) RF-4E Phantom
F-4E Phantom II
CH-47 Chinook
F-27 Friend Ship McDonnell U.S.A.
McDonnell U.S.A.
Bell U.S.A.
Fokker-VFW Netherlands 16
177
12+
28
1972 (1351) Hawk Commander Rockwell U.S.A. 2
1973 (1353) F-33A/C Bonanza Beech craft U.S.A. 12/?
1975 (1354) P-3F Orion
KC-747JumboJet
F-14A Tomcat
F-5 E/F Tiger II
KC-707 Tanker Lockheed U.S.A.
Boeing U.S.A.
Grumman U.S.A.
Northrop U.S.A.
Boeing U.S.A. 6
14
79
181
12
1977 (1356) AB-214
Jet Falcon-2
Jet Star
F-16A Falcon Bell U.S.A.
Dassault France
U.S.A.
General Dynamics U.S.A. 12+
4
2
Part


Imperial Iranian Navy in 1979 - more than 30,000 men





    • With 2 marine battalions
MAJOR NAVAL BASES:




    • Khoramshahr
    • Bandar Abbas (The First Fleet of Persian Gulf and the new Headquarters)
    • Bushehr(The Second Fleet of Persian Gulf)
    • Bandar Pahlavi (The North Fleet and the training base)
    • Hengam Island
    • Kharg Island
    • Bandar Shahpur
    • Chah Bahar (tri-service base-construction shelved)
Ships:




    • 3 Destroyers:
      • 1 ex-British BATTLE class with Secat-SAM (Artemiz)
      • 2 ex-US SUMNER class with helicopters (all with STANDARD SSM/SAM)(Babr class)
    • 4 frigates with MK2 Seakiller SSM and Seacat-SAM (Sam class)
    • 4 corvettes (ex-US patrol frigates)(Bayandor class)
    • 7 large patrol craft
    • 5 fast patrol guided missile boats Combattante II type (Kaman class)
    • 5 minesweepers (3 coastal, 2 inshore)
    • 2 landing ships, logistics
    • 2 landing ships, utility
    • 2 logistical support ships
    • 8 SRN-6 hovercraft
    • 6 Wellington BH-7 hovercraft
http://aryamehr.org/eng/iia/index.htm

This is what the Shah left behind him so make the math.. Those figure do not add up..


The Imperial Iranian Gendarmerie had almost those numbers of men..

Ok you just ignore everything right? Ignore the article, the SIPRI rms transfers. I knew it would be pointless bringing sources for you, you don't appreciate facts after all, only gossip "will Saudi get YF-23?" "maybe Saudi has 1000 missiles underground"...
 
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Ok you just ignore everything right? Ignore the article, the SIPRI rms transfers. I knew it would be pointless bringing sources for you, you don't appreciate facts after all, only gossip "will Saudi get YF-23?" "maybe Saudi has 1000 missiles underground"...
Maybe..
I asked you to make the count yourself..of what the Shah left as armaments in Iran in 1979.. if you can prove that 150 000 Iranian army soldiers were killed by the revolutionaries then I will believe that article.. because reliable articles say the Shah army numbered 285 000 soldiers and officers in 1979 with 300 000 reserves, and your article says Iran entered the war with Iraq with 110 to 150 000 soldiers in 1980.. logic will make think you a bit about it.. but RIP to logic as far as you are concerned..
 
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what the Shah left as armaments in Iran in 1979

Most of which Iran couldn't maintain, and by the way Iraq had a sizeable military as well.

Shah army numbered 285 000 soldiers and officers in 1979 with 300 000 reserves, and your article says Iran entered the war with Iraq with 110 to 150 000 soldiers in 1980

You underestimate the level of disorganisation and chaos in the post revolution period. Iran was not geared up for war at all, the military was a mess. For sure a large number of soldiers were not in service.
 
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They were embryonic and were led by regular army officer loyal to the revolution..
What were those kids during the war, not Basij?
No they were not and despice this iran already won if wasn't for the west and the east to side with Iraq
Iran would have invaded Iraq in 1982
 
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No they were not and despice this iran already won if wasn't for the west and the east to side with Iraq
Iran would have invaded Iraq in 1982
When Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq, quite deliberately started the war, he miscalculated on two counts: first, in attacking a country greatly disorganized by revolution but also greatly energized by it-and whose regime could be consolidated only by a long “patriotic” war, as with all revolutionary regimes; and second, at the level of theater strategy, in launching a surprise invasion against a very large country whose strategic depth he was not even trying to penetrate. Had Iran been given ample warning, it would have mobilized its forces to defend its borderlands; that would have made the Iraqi invasion much more difficult, but in the process the bulk of Iranian forces might have been defeated, possibly forcing Iran to accept a cease-fire on Iraqi terms. As it was, the initial Iraqi offensive thrusts landed in the void, encountering only weak border units before reaching their logistical limits. At that point, Iran had only just started to mobilize in earnest.

From then on, until the final months of the war eight years later, Iraq was forced on the strategic defensive, having to face periodic Iranian offensives on one sector or another, year after year. After losing most of his territorial gains by May 1982 (when Iran recaptured Khorramshahr), Saddam Hussein’s strategic response was to proclaim a unilateral cease-fire (June 10, 1982) while ordering Iraqi forces to withdraw to the border. But Iran rejected a cease-fire, demanding the removal of Saddam Hussein and compensation for war damage. Upon Iraq’s refusal, Iran launched an invasion into Iraqi territory (Operation Ramadan, on July 13, 1982) in the first of many attempts over the coming years to conquer Basra, Iraq’s second city and only real port.

But revolutionary Iran was very limited in its tactically offensive means. Cut off from U.S. supplies for its largely U.S.-equipped forces and deprived of the shah’s officer cadres who had been driven into exile, imprisoned, or killed, it never managed to reconstitute effective armored formations or its once large and modern air force. Iran’s army and Pasdaran revolutionary guards could mount only massed infantry attacks supported by increasingly strong artillery fire. They capitalized on Iran’s morale and population advantage (forty million versus Iraq’s thirteen million), but although foot infantry could breach Iraqi defense lines from time to time, if only by costly human-wave attacks, it could not penetrate deeply enough in the aftermath to achieve decisive results.

http://www.history.com/topics/iran-iraq-war
 
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Thanks to the Iraqis who sided with Iran and fought their country Iraq, that's why Iraqis are living in deep S***.
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and here's a new pic of this scum kissing the hand of his master Khamieni

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you see that your masters in Iraqi have no dignity at all then you wonder why Iraq is going to be splitted into three little states.
Iraqis didn't fight against thier country but against the Baathists scums who oppressed them

Saudis are the last people on the planet to talk about dignity and honor because you don't have any

When Saddam Hussein, president of Iraq, quite deliberately started the war, he miscalculated on two counts: first, in attacking a country greatly disorganized by revolution but also greatly energized by it-and whose regime could be consolidated only by a long “patriotic” war, as with all revolutionary regimes; and second, at the level of theater strategy, in launching a surprise invasion against a very large country whose strategic depth he was not even trying to penetrate. Had Iran been given ample warning, it would have mobilized its forces to defend its borderlands; that would have made the Iraqi invasion much more difficult, but in the process the bulk of Iranian forces might have been defeated, possibly forcing Iran to accept a cease-fire on Iraqi terms. As it was, the initial Iraqi offensive thrusts landed in the void, encountering only weak border units before reaching their logistical limits. At that point, Iran had only just started to mobilize in earnest.

From then on, until the final months of the war eight years later, Iraq was forced on the strategic defensive, having to face periodic Iranian offensives on one sector or another, year after year. After losing most of his territorial gains by May 1982 (when Iran recaptured Khorramshahr), Saddam Hussein’s strategic response was to proclaim a unilateral cease-fire (June 10, 1982) while ordering Iraqi forces to withdraw to the border. But Iran rejected a cease-fire, demanding the removal of Saddam Hussein and compensation for war damage. Upon Iraq’s refusal, Iran launched an invasion into Iraqi territory (Operation Ramadan, on July 13, 1982) in the first of many attempts over the coming years to conquer Basra, Iraq’s second city and only real port.

But revolutionary Iran was very limited in its tactically offensive means. Cut off from U.S. supplies for its largely U.S.-equipped forces and deprived of the shah’s officer cadres who had been driven into exile, imprisoned, or killed, it never managed to reconstitute effective armored formations or its once large and modern air force. Iran’s army and Pasdaran revolutionary guards could mount only massed infantry attacks supported by increasingly strong artillery fire. They capitalized on Iran’s morale and population advantage (forty million versus Iraq’s thirteen million), but although foot infantry could breach Iraqi defense lines from time to time, if only by costly human-wave attacks, it could not penetrate deeply enough in the aftermath to achieve decisive results.

http://www.history.com/topics/iran-iraq-war
You just confirmed what I said it was the west and east who saved the Baathists scums from iran defeat
 
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