Iran has rockets ‘to attack Saudi Arabia’

[The SC]

Believe me you have to deal with his kind about this war specially the Saudis they keep saying population and country size they they forget that most of the countries were on Iraq side and iran was in turmoil because of the revolution even with the massive weapons that the shah left it's still useless in battle if you don't want professional military to use them

Take example at Nader jahanbani despise his execution the Air Force he build played important rule in the war


The evidence that iran was in state of revolution and crisis with both east and west while Iraq was the opposite isn't that enough evidence?!!

It might seem like it, but brother understand that when the Shah left in 1979 he left Iran armed to the teeth with the most US sophisticated weapons of that time and huge reserves of spare parts and weapons , they were armed to face the USSR itself not Iraq.. and they got a lot of support from outside just like Iraq did..

Well you people worship americans so I thought adding American general's qoute would help. Americans saved you from Baathists (who were requesting Iran of stopping the war after trying to invade it), Americans dance with you, give you toys against billions of dollars of oil money. American general's words should matter to you.

For me, I don't need anyone verification when as an academician I actually do know that Iran has people and resources who can synthesize such warheads in matter of days from humble most precursors. We rank 5th in world in STEM graduates and we produce 3rd highest engineering graduates in world. We are no expat run desert where 85 % engineers and 60 % doctors are foreigners. Don't wish for things that might happen to you ...

Other countries in the region have done that before Iran.. just don't push your luck too far.. underestimating others and arrogance brought Iran a war that it couldn't sustain.. be sure that all the weapons developments of Iran were/are under regional and international watchful eyes who prefer not to talk too much.. because they have the same or worst deadly weapons already..

Don't forget that Iran was the first to worship Americans and their weapons (and even their lifestyle..) in the region.. so don't come crying now..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Well, everyone knows who is biased in his opinions here.. go look at a mirror not at me.. you probably weren't even born when that war went on , I was here and watched its developments every day..

Bring on you evidence then..

You seem to be needing help from your yesterday enemy.. it is quite laughable..

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

"The Arming, and Disarming, of Iran's Revolution". The Economist(International ed.). 19 September 1987. pp. 56–57.

Using data from the SIPRI arms transfers database, Iraq got $28 billion worth of arms in 1980-88, and Iran got $5 billion. But I'm sure a nearly 6 times difference doesn't mean anything to you, because that would prove you wrong and your bias won't allow that.

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/values.php

And many more, but I'm going to go to sleep.

 

[SALMAN F]

It might seem like it, but brother understand that when the Shah left in 1979 he left Iran armed to the teeth with the most US sophisticated weapons of that time and huge reserves of spare parts and weapons , they were armed to face the USSR itself not Iraq.. and they got a lot of support from outside just like Iraq did..

Read my post again
If the like of the Shia militias,isis,or the Taliban have more weapons than the Iraqi army but they don't have professional soldiers or experienced officers and generals who graduated from military acamedy would they be able to defeat army like Turkey or Jordan or the answer is no

In the begging of the war the iranian leadership didn't trust the military and they relayed of the irgc and the basij

 

[The SC]

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

View attachment 413559

View attachment 413560
"The Arming, and Disarming, of Iran's Revolution". The Economist(International ed.). 19 September 1987. pp. 56–57.

Using data from the SIPRI arms transfers database, Iraq got $28 billion worth of arms in 1980-88, and Iran got $5 billion. But I'm sure a nearly 6 times difference doesn't mean anything to you, because that would prove you wrong and your bias won't allow that.

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/values.php

And many more, but I'm going to go to sleep.

Have good dreams.. but these numbers do not add up at all, in the Shah Era till the revolution Iran had the biggest armed forces of the middle east.. so that 110 to 150 000 soldiers say it is a blatant lie and even less than Iraq?.. I know that anyone can write anything on Wikipedia but not to this nonsense insulting peoples intelligence..

Read my post again
If the like of the Shia militias,isis,or the Taliban have more weapons than the Iraqi army but they don't have professional soldiers or experienced officers and generals who graduated from military acamedy would they be able to defeat army like Turkey or Jordan or the answer is no

In the begging of the war the iranian leadership didn't trust the military and they relayed of the irgc and the basij

"Mohamed Reza Shah followed his father’s military and strategic ambition and wanted to make his country the strongest military power in the Middle East and South Asia. The backbone of this strategy was to create large, strong, and modern armed forces. This strategy was based on a close cooperation and partnership with Western powers, particularly the United States. Huge arms deals were signed between Washington and Tehran. This unofficial alliance proved crucial in containing the Soviet influence in the region. The Iranian army also played a significant role in defending the Sultan of Oman and defeating the leftist-separatist rebellion in Dhofar."

http://www.mei.edu/content/iran’s-regular-army-its-history-and-capacities
We all know that some Iranian generals were executed after the revolution, but they mostly came from the imperial guard the most loyal to the Shah..
Iran fought Iraq with its regular army, Basij and IRGC were formed after the difficulties faced by the regular army..
It is just not possible to compare some insurgents with countries..

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

View attachment 413559

View attachment 413560
"The Arming, and Disarming, of Iran's Revolution". The Economist(International ed.). 19 September 1987. pp. 56–57.

Using data from the SIPRI arms transfers database, Iraq got $28 billion worth of arms in 1980-88, and Iran got $5 billion. But I'm sure a nearly 6 times difference doesn't mean anything to you, because that would prove you wrong and your bias won't allow that.

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/values.php

And many more, but I'm going to go to sleep.

The Imperial Iranian Ground Force


During the late 1970s the Imperial Iranian Ground Forces, was undergoing a rapid increase in strength. In 1979 it was a largely mechanized and armored force of about 285,000 troops, organized in 3 corps, with headquarters in Tehran area, in Shiraz in the south, and in Kermanshah near the Iraq border. There was even Plans for a fourth corps, to be established at the new Chah Bahar complex at the eastern end of the Persian Gulf. Major ground formations included 3 armored divisions (One more in organization in Sistan) each with six tank battalions and five mechanized infantry battalions, 3 infantry divisions, 2 Imperial Guard Divisions and 4 independent brigades (1 armored, 1 infantry, 1 airborne and 1 Special Forces) and the Army Aviation Command. These combat units, backed up by the usual complement of support units, were said to be 85 percent operational. During the mid-1970s fully 80 percent of Irans ground forces were deployed along the Iraqi border, though official sources maintained that a large portion of these could be sent anywhere in the country within twenty-four hours by means of air force transports. Troop deployment was expected to shift south during the late 1970s with the opening of the Chah Bahar facility.


Total (in 1979): 285,000

Reserves: 300,000

Main Unites:

• 
  
  
  • 16th Armored Division - Ghazvin
  • 81th Armored Division - Kermanshah
  • 92th Armored Division - Khuzestan
  • 88th Armored Division - Sistan
  • 1th Infantry Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 2th Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 28th Infantry Division - Kurdistan
  • 64th Infantry Division - Rezaieh
  • 77th Infantry Division - Khorasan
  • 84th Infantry Brigade - Khoramabad (Division during the war with Iraq)
  • 55th Airborne Brigade - Shiraz (Division during the war with Iraq)
  • 23th Special forces Brigade - Nohed -Tehran (Division during the war with Iraq)
  • 37th Armored Brigade - Shiraz
  • 11th Artillery Unit
  • 22th Artillery Unit
  • 23th Artillery Unit
  • 44th Artillery Unit
  • 55th Artillery Unit
  • Hawk missiles Battalions (4 units)

Armour In the IIGF

Major Equipment On Order:

• 
  
  
  • Shir1 (Chieftain) Tanks - 1971 (800), 1974 (740), 1976 (1480), 1977 (1220)
  • Shir2 (Chieftain) Tanks -1979 (1297)
  • Scorpion Tanks - 1976 (250), 1977 (110),1979 (110)
  • M-113A1 APC - 1979 (108)
  • BMP-1 AIFV - 1979 (x)

Guns and Howitzers
1971
1974
1976
1977
1979
75mm towed
/
/
650
/
710
85mm towed
M101 (105 mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
330
330
330
130mm towed
/
M114 (155mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
/
102
M115 (203 mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
14
M109/M109A1 (155 mm) SP
50
313
440
440
M-107 (175 mm) SP
38
/
/
46
M-110 (203 mm) SP
14
/
42
51
BM-21 (122 mm) MRL


/
64
64
72
Major Equipment On Order:
1977
1979
Asu-85 (Anti Tank Gun)


(x)
(x)

The main Imperial Iranian Infantry units were:

• 
  
  
  • 1th Infantry Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 2th Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 28th Infantry Division - Kurdistan
  • 64th Infantry Division - Rezaieh
  • 77th Infantry Division - Khorasan
  • 84th Infantry Brigade - Khoramabad

The following weapon systems were employed by the Imperial Iranian Army units:

Rifels/Machine Guns
1974
1976
1977
M-1 Garand 7.62 mm Rifle
/
M-3A1 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
G-3A3, G-3A4 7.62 mm
/
UZI 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
MP-5 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
COLT M-1911A1 11 mm Pistol
/
M-2 (0.50") 12.7 mm Machine-Gun
M-1919A4 (0.30) 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
M-1919A6 (0.30) 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
MG-3A1 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
M-79 40 mm
Mortars
1974
1976
1977
M-19 60 mm (U.S.A)
M-1 81 mm (U.S.A)
/
M-29 81 mm (U.S.A)
/
M-30 107 mm (4.2") (U.S.A)
/
M-53 (4.2") (U.S.A)
/
M-34A2 (U.S.A)
/

M-65 120 mm (Soltam)
/
Anti Tank Missiles - RCL
1974
1976
1977
ENTAC ATGW
SS-11 ATGW
/
/
/
SS-12 ATGW
/
/
/
TOW ATGW
/
/
/
DRAGON ATGW
order
/
M-18A1 57 mm RL
M-20 75 mm RL
M-9A1 Bazuka 89 mm RL (3.5 ")
M-40A1 106 mm RCL
/
/
RPG-7V
Major Equipment On Order:

• 
  
  
  • ASU-85 (Anti Tank ) - 1977 (x) - 1979 (x)

Aircraft History from when HIM entered the throne



Year

Aircraft Type

Builder / Origin

Qty

1944 (1323) Anson A.V. Roe England 15
1946 (1325) Hurricane England 6+
1948 (1327) P-47D ThunderBolt Republic U.S.A. 60
1949 (1328) C-47Dakota Douglas U.S.A. 22+
1950 (1329) L-4
L-20(DHC-2)
Stearman
AT-6 Texan Piper U.S.A.
DeHavilland Canada
Stearman U.S.A.
North American U.S.A. 36
8
15
37
1956 (1335) T-33A
Ilyushin14 IL-14 Lockheed U.S.A.
ILYUSHIN Russia 18
1
1957 (1336) F-84G ThunderJet Republic U.S.A. 34
1959 (1338) R\T-33 Lockheed U.S.A. 12
1960 (1339) F-86F Le Sabre North American U.S.A. 48
1963 (1342) C-130H Hercules
UH-19 Lockheed U.S.A.
Sikorsky U.S.A. 42
12/?
1965 (1343) F-5 A/B
HH-43 Northrop U.S.A.
Kaman U.S.A. 127
12/?
1968 (1347) F-4D Phantom
AB-206JetRanger McDonnell U.S.A.
Bell U.S.A. 32
2+
1969 (1348) UH-1D Bell U.S.A. 12/?
1970 (1349) O-2A Cessna U.S.A. 12
1971 (1350) RF-4E Phantom
F-4E Phantom II
CH-47 Chinook
F-27 Friend Ship McDonnell U.S.A.
McDonnell U.S.A.
Bell U.S.A.
Fokker-VFW Netherlands 16
177
12+
28
1972 (1351) Hawk Commander Rockwell U.S.A. 2
1973 (1353) F-33A/C Bonanza Beech craft U.S.A. 12/?
1975 (1354) P-3F Orion
KC-747JumboJet
F-14A Tomcat
F-5 E/F Tiger II
KC-707 Tanker Lockheed U.S.A.
Boeing U.S.A.
Grumman U.S.A.
Northrop U.S.A.
Boeing U.S.A. 6
14
79
181
12
1977 (1356) AB-214
Jet Falcon-2
Jet Star
F-16A Falcon Bell U.S.A.
Dassault France
U.S.A.
General Dynamics U.S.A. 12+
4
2
Part


Imperial Iranian Navy in 1979 - more than 30,000 men

• 
  
  
  • With 2 marine battalions

MAJOR NAVAL BASES:

• 
  
  
  • Khoramshahr
  • Bandar Abbas (The First Fleet of Persian Gulf and the new Headquarters)
  • Bushehr(The Second Fleet of Persian Gulf)
  • Bandar Pahlavi (The North Fleet and the training base)
  • Hengam Island
  • Kharg Island
  • Bandar Shahpur
  • Chah Bahar (tri-service base-construction shelved)

Ships:

• 
  
  
  • 3 Destroyers:
    • 1 ex-British BATTLE class with Secat-SAM (Artemiz)
    • 2 ex-US SUMNER class with helicopters (all with STANDARD SSM/SAM)(Babr class)
  • 4 frigates with MK2 Seakiller SSM and Seacat-SAM (Sam class)
  • 4 corvettes (ex-US patrol frigates)(Bayandor class)
  • 7 large patrol craft
  • 5 fast patrol guided missile boats Combattante II type (Kaman class)
  • 5 minesweepers (3 coastal, 2 inshore)
  • 2 landing ships, logistics
  • 2 landing ships, utility
  • 2 logistical support ships
  • 8 SRN-6 hovercraft
  • 6 Wellington BH-7 hovercraft

http://aryamehr.org/eng/iia/index.htm

This is what the Shah left behind him so make the math.. Those figure do not add up..

The Imperial Iranian Gendarmerie had almost those numbers of men..

 

[SALMAN F]

Have good dreams.. but these numbers do not add up at all, in the Shah Era till the revolution Iran had the biggest armed forces of the middle east.. so that 110 to 150 000 soldiers say it is a blatant lie and even less than Iraq.. I know that anyone can write anything on Wikipedia but not to this nonsense insulting peoples intelligence..


"Mohamed Reza Shah followed his father’s military and strategic ambition and wanted to make his country the strongest military power in the Middle East and South Asia. The backbone of this strategy was to create large, strong, and modern armed forces. This strategy was based on a close cooperation and partnership with Western powers, particularly the United States. Huge arms deals were signed between Washington and Tehran. This unofficial alliance proved crucial in containing the Soviet influence in the region. The Iranian army also played a significant role in defending the Sultan of Oman and defeating the leftist-separatist rebellion in Dhofar."

http://www.mei.edu/content/iran’s-regular-army-its-history-and-capacities
We all know that some Iranian generals were executed after the revolution, but they mostly came from the imperial guard the most loyal to the Shah..
Iran fought Iraq with its regular army, Basij and IRGC were formed after the difficulties faced by the regular army..
It is just not possible to compare some insurgents with countries..



The Imperial Iranian Ground Force


During the late 1970s the Imperial Iranian Ground Forces, was undergoing a rapid increase in strength. In 1979 it was a largely mechanized and armored force of about 285,000 troops, organized in 3 corps, with headquarters in Tehran area, in Shiraz in the south, and in Kermanshah near the Iraq border. There was even Plans for a fourth corps, to be established at the new Chah Bahar complex at the eastern end of the Persian Gulf. Major ground formations included 3 armored divisions (One more in organization in Sistan) each with six tank battalions and five mechanized infantry battalions, 3 infantry divisions, 2 Imperial Guard Divisions and 4 independent brigades (1 armored, 1 infantry, 1 airborne and 1 Special Forces) and the Army Aviation Command. These combat units, backed up by the usual complement of support units, were said to be 85 percent operational. During the mid-1970s fully 80 percent of Irans ground forces were deployed along the Iraqi border, though official sources maintained that a large portion of these could be sent anywhere in the country within twenty-four hours by means of air force transports. Troop deployment was expected to shift south during the late 1970s with the opening of the Chah Bahar facility.


Total (in 1979): 285,000

Reserves: 300,000

Main Unites:

• 
  
  
  • 16th Armored Division - Ghazvin
  • 81th Armored Division - Kermanshah
  • 92th Armored Division - Khuzestan
  • 88th Armored Division - Sistan
  • 1th Infantry Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 2th Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 28th Infantry Division - Kurdistan
  • 64th Infantry Division - Rezaieh
  • 77th Infantry Division - Khorasan
  • 84th Infantry Brigade - Khoramabad (Division during the war with Iraq)
  • 55th Airborne Brigade - Shiraz (Division during the war with Iraq)
  • 23th Special forces Brigade - Nohed -Tehran (Division during the war with Iraq)
  • 37th Armored Brigade - Shiraz
  • 11th Artillery Unit
  • 22th Artillery Unit
  • 23th Artillery Unit
  • 44th Artillery Unit
  • 55th Artillery Unit
  • Hawk missiles Battalions (4 units)

Armour In the IIGF

Major Equipment On Order:

• 
  
  
  • Shir1 (Chieftain) Tanks - 1971 (800), 1974 (740), 1976 (1480), 1977 (1220)
  • Shir2 (Chieftain) Tanks -1979 (1297)
  • Scorpion Tanks - 1976 (250), 1977 (110),1979 (110)
  • M-113A1 APC - 1979 (108)
  • BMP-1 AIFV - 1979 (x)

Guns and Howitzers
1971
1974
1976
1977
1979
75mm towed
/
/
650
/
710
85mm towed
M101 (105 mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
330
330
330
130mm towed
/
M114 (155mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
/
102
M115 (203 mm) Howitzer towed
/
/
14
M109/M109A1 (155 mm) SP
50
313
440
440
M-107 (175 mm) SP
38
/
/
46
M-110 (203 mm) SP
14
/
42
51
BM-21 (122 mm) MRL


/
64
64
72
Major Equipment On Order:
1977
1979
Asu-85 (Anti Tank Gun)


(x)
(x)

The main Imperial Iranian Infantry units were:

• 
  
  
  • 1th Infantry Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 2th Imperial Guard Division (After the revolution changed to 21th Infantry Div.)
  • 28th Infantry Division - Kurdistan
  • 64th Infantry Division - Rezaieh
  • 77th Infantry Division - Khorasan
  • 84th Infantry Brigade - Khoramabad

The following weapon systems were employed by the Imperial Iranian Army units:

Rifels/Machine Guns
1974
1976
1977
M-1 Garand 7.62 mm Rifle
/
M-3A1 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
G-3A3, G-3A4 7.62 mm
/
UZI 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
MP-5 9 mm Sub-machine gun
/
COLT M-1911A1 11 mm Pistol
/
M-2 (0.50") 12.7 mm Machine-Gun
M-1919A4 (0.30) 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
M-1919A6 (0.30) 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
MG-3A1 7.62 mm Machine-Gun
M-79 40 mm
Mortars
1974
1976
1977
M-19 60 mm (U.S.A)
M-1 81 mm (U.S.A)
/
M-29 81 mm (U.S.A)
/
M-30 107 mm (4.2") (U.S.A)
/
M-53 (4.2") (U.S.A)
/
M-34A2 (U.S.A)
/

M-65 120 mm (Soltam)
/
Anti Tank Missiles - RCL
1974
1976
1977
ENTAC ATGW
SS-11 ATGW
/
/
/
SS-12 ATGW
/
/
/
TOW ATGW
/
/
/
DRAGON ATGW
order
/
M-18A1 57 mm RL
M-20 75 mm RL
M-9A1 Bazuka 89 mm RL (3.5 ")
M-40A1 106 mm RCL
/
/
RPG-7V
Major Equipment On Order:

• 
  
  
  • ASU-85 (Anti Tank ) - 1977 (x) - 1979 (x)

Aircraft History from when HIM entered the throne



Year

Aircraft Type

Builder / Origin

Qty

1944 (1323) Anson A.V. Roe England 15
1946 (1325) Hurricane England 6+
1948 (1327) P-47D ThunderBolt Republic U.S.A. 60
1949 (1328) C-47Dakota Douglas U.S.A. 22+
1950 (1329) L-4
L-20(DHC-2)
Stearman
AT-6 Texan Piper U.S.A.
DeHavilland Canada
Stearman U.S.A.
North American U.S.A. 36
8
15
37
1956 (1335) T-33A
Ilyushin14 IL-14 Lockheed U.S.A.
ILYUSHIN Russia 18
1
1957 (1336) F-84G ThunderJet Republic U.S.A. 34
1959 (1338) R\T-33 Lockheed U.S.A. 12
1960 (1339) F-86F Le Sabre North American U.S.A. 48
1963 (1342) C-130H Hercules
UH-19 Lockheed U.S.A.
Sikorsky U.S.A. 42
12/?
1965 (1343) F-5 A/B
HH-43 Northrop U.S.A.
Kaman U.S.A. 127
12/?
1968 (1347) F-4D Phantom
AB-206JetRanger McDonnell U.S.A.
Bell U.S.A. 32
2+
1969 (1348) UH-1D Bell U.S.A. 12/?
1970 (1349) O-2A Cessna U.S.A. 12
1971 (1350) RF-4E Phantom
F-4E Phantom II
CH-47 Chinook
F-27 Friend Ship McDonnell U.S.A.
McDonnell U.S.A.
Bell U.S.A.
Fokker-VFW Netherlands 16
177
12+
28
1972 (1351) Hawk Commander Rockwell U.S.A. 2
1973 (1353) F-33A/C Bonanza Beech craft U.S.A. 12/?
1975 (1354) P-3F Orion
KC-747JumboJet
F-14A Tomcat
F-5 E/F Tiger II
KC-707 Tanker Lockheed U.S.A.
Boeing U.S.A.
Grumman U.S.A.
Northrop U.S.A.
Boeing U.S.A. 6
14
79
181
12
1977 (1356) AB-214
Jet Falcon-2
Jet Star
F-16A Falcon Bell U.S.A.
Dassault France
U.S.A.
General Dynamics U.S.A. 12+
4
2
Part


Imperial Iranian Navy in 1979 - more than 30,000 men

• 
  
  
  • With 2 marine battalions

MAJOR NAVAL BASES:

• 
  
  
  • Khoramshahr
  • Bandar Abbas (The First Fleet of Persian Gulf and the new Headquarters)
  • Bushehr(The Second Fleet of Persian Gulf)
  • Bandar Pahlavi (The North Fleet and the training base)
  • Hengam Island
  • Kharg Island
  • Bandar Shahpur
  • Chah Bahar (tri-service base-construction shelved)

Ships:

• 
  
  
  • 3 Destroyers:
    • 1 ex-British BATTLE class with Secat-SAM (Artemiz)
    • 2 ex-US SUMNER class with helicopters (all with STANDARD SSM/SAM)(Babr class)
  • 4 frigates with MK2 Seakiller SSM and Seacat-SAM (Sam class)
  • 4 corvettes (ex-US patrol frigates)(Bayandor class)
  • 7 large patrol craft
  • 5 fast patrol guided missile boats Combattante II type (Kaman class)
  • 5 minesweepers (3 coastal, 2 inshore)
  • 2 landing ships, logistics
  • 2 landing ships, utility
  • 2 logistical support ships
  • 8 SRN-6 hovercraft
  • 6 Wellington BH-7 hovercraft

http://aryamehr.org/eng/iia/index.htm

This is what the Shah left behind him so make the math.. Those figure do not add up..

The Imperial Iranian Gendarmerie had almost those numbers of men..

Wrong revolutionary guards were formed after the fall of the shah but the basij were formed after the war

 

[The SC]

Wrong revolutionary guards were formed after the fall of the shah but the basij were formed after the war

They were embryonic and were led by regular army officer loyal to the revolution..
What were those kids during the war, not Basij?

 

[Big Tank]

Sometimes these Irani Moollahs remind me of Soviets. They fire just ONE rocket on Saudi Arabia & in return they will have a full blown war with GCC. Military balance is immensely in GCC's favor. All of Iranian Navy, Air Force & static installations will turn into junk, their armor would never reach GCC & they will have to live with GCC jets patrolling Iranian skies for a decade.

Not to forget Saudis have a crap load of Ballistic missiles to hurl back at Iran. So everyone should take a chill pill and stop talking about war.

Well they had hell load of Advanced American Tech. Still get nailed hard by the poor yemenis. Whole GCC of yours and later came running to us for help. Got a BIG NO. These useless tummy bluffs should go learn from the less advanced SAA and its tactics.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well they had hell load of Advanced American Tech. Still get nailed hard by the poor yemenis. Whole GCC of yours and later came running to us for help. Got a BIG NO. These useless tummy bluffs should go learn from the less advanced SAA and its tactics.

Another genius in action.

Why when they control 85% of Yemen (a country known as the Afghanistan of the Middle East due to its geography and history) with minimal loses (less than 500 casualties) while using a limited number of ground troops?

The same Al-Assad that has lost most of his OWN country to a few rag-tag militias who are not even remotely as armed as the Houthis and the Yemeni army (branch of it) which remains loyal to the former Yemeni dictator that ruled Yemen for almost 40 years? The same Ali Abdullah Saleh that has been at war with his new "allies", the Houthis, several times.

Kindly comment on issues that you have some clue about. No regional country, expect for Turkey and Egypt, would have the ability to engage in a conflict the size of Yemen and with its complications. For this long. That's a fact.

BTW Houthis are the most heavily armed militia in the world and one of the most battle-hardened seeing that they have been at war with the Yemeni state for over 20 years in a row more or less.

The same Yemen has the third most guns per capita in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Moroever Houthis are chewing qat (a drug) 24/7 which makes them fearless. So they don't act logically. Nor do they have anything to lose as they come from nothing. Cult members from impoverished backgrounds. Hence all the child soldiers.

Your pathetic attempt at making Yemen (half the size of your country) sound like a picnic trip is a joke and won't work for any informed non-biased person that follows and understands the conflict.

Name me a single country in the region that has an ongoing country even comparable to what KSA is against? There is none such country in the region. Moreover this is a first for KSA. I honestly believe that it would have been much more bloody and difficult for KSA. However I have been pleasantly surprised about the readiness of the army. Of course faults have been committed but you don't look by being taught military history or training alone. You need to experience the real thing and even hardship from close.

PS. Nobody begged for anything. It was limited what Pakistan could do. There was talk about a limited number of battle-hardened troops (preferably those with experience in mountain warfare). That was all. Don't make it seem like KSA/Arab countries were begging on their knees to have Pakistani soldiers participate. Pakistan was either not willing or able to do such a thing and people moved on. If you notice, most Arab users back then (March 2015) understood it and moved on. It's time that you do as well.

BTW manpower was never a question. There are almost 3 times as many Arabs as there are Pakistanis. Don't forget this. Egypt alone has half of your population and they are part of the Arab coalition.

 

[Gufi]

Sometimes these Irani Moollahs remind me of Soviets. They fire just ONE rocket on Saudi Arabia & in return they will have a full blown war with GCC. Military balance is immensely in GCC's favor. All of Iranian Navy, Air Force & static installations will turn into junk, their armor would never reach GCC & they will have to live with GCC jets patrolling Iranian skies for a decade.

And how would people on both sides go crazy in fanatic idolism of their brave leaders and their country's abilities. When states see that the masses are uneasy, they whip them into a religious fervour or into a patriotic one. Back and forth they go, creating fanatics out of otherwise pleasant people.

Why when they control 85% of Yemen (a country known as the Afghanistan of the Middle East due to its geography and history) with minimal loses (less than 500 casualties) while using a limited number of ground troops?

tag me to detailed analysis of the war effort if you have a thread here, or please share a good site where one can find out about the current strategies and their effects. I think frankly that more troops should be committed to push near the border region to create a larger buffer. But then again I could be wrong.

 

[Big Tank]

Another genius in action.

Why when they control 85% of Yemen (a country known as the Afghanistan of the Middle East due to its geography and history) with minimal loses (less than 500 casualties) while using a limited number of ground troops?

The same Al-Assad that has lost most of his OWN country to a few rag-tag militias who are not even remotely as armed as the Houthis and the Yemeni army (branch of it) which remains loyal to the former Yemeni dictator that ruled Yemen for almost 40 years? The same Ali Abdullah Saleh that has been at war with his new "allies", the Houthis, several times.

Kindly comment on issues that you have some clue about. No regional country, expect for Turkey and Egypt, would have the ability to engage in a conflict the size of Yemen and with its complications. For this long. That's a fact.

BTW Houthis are the most heavily armed militia in the world and one of the most battle-hardened seeing that they have been at war with the Yemeni state for over 20 years in a row more or less.

The same Yemen has the third most guns per capita in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Moroever Houthis are chewing qat (a drug) 24/7 which makes them fearless. So they don't act logically. Nor do they have anything to lose as they come from nothing. Cult members from impoverished backgrounds. Hence all the child soldiers.

Your pathetic attempt at making Yemen (half the size of your country) sound like a picnic trip is a joke and won't work for any informed non-biased person that follows and understands the conflict.

Well just improve your source for propaganda.

Houthis are holding all the MAJOR cities and STRATEGIC LOCATIONS. Area you're calling majorly under Hadi is actually total desert and no one even wants to hold that. Have a detailed map and check out the importance of Area Houthis holding. It's what actual Yemen is. Saudis can go get stationed into the Desert LOL.>>>

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well just improve your source for propaganda.

Houthis are holding all the MAJOR cities and STRATEGIC LOCATIONS. Area you're calling majorly under Hadi is actually total desert and no one even wants to hold that. Have a detailed map and check out the importance of Area Houthis holding. It's what actual Yemen is. Saudis can go get stationed into the Desert LOL.>>>

Read post 68 instead of blabbering nonsense.

Your map is outdated. Mine is from 17 July 2017 and from a non-biased (objective) source based in Denmark. Google Risk Intelligence.

No, they are not. KSA/Arab coalition is in control of most of the biggest cities and that while using a much smaller (20 times smaller) number of soldiers. Most of the current fighting is done by the Yemeni army that the Arab coalition is training. KSA/Arab coalition mainly serve as advisers on the ground and are helping train and restructure the Yemeni army that fell apart when the Houthis invaded Sana'a back in September 2015. 6 months before KSA invaded Yemen.

You are a clown. A certified one.

Go take a look at a topographic map (if you even know what this is) of Yemen before barking nonsense:



"Desert" my ***.

Yes, KSA controlling almost all ports of Yemen (that connect it to the remaining world), 95% of the Saudi-Yemeni border (almost 3000 km long), the economic hub of Yemen (Aden), the oil and gas fields in Yemen etc. is not very strategic.

Guess what, the only port that remains in Houthi/Saleh control is Hudaydah and that port the UN has sanctioned and prevented KSA/Arab coalition from liberating due to the humanitarian situation in Yemen.

UN envoy: We succeeded in preventing a military operation in Hudaydah

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...enting-a-military-operation-in-Hudaydah-.html

KSA/Arab coalition/Yemeni army was otherwise ready to liberate the remaining port in control of Houthis/Saleh.

Mountainous villages on the other hand are very strategic in comparison. In a parallel universe maybe.

You quite clearly have no clue about this conflict and you don't stand a chance discussing it with me as I follow it on a daily basis and have done so for almost 1000 days in a row now. I have followed events in Yemen on a weekly basis for years before March 2015. Talked about it in detail here as well and elsewhere.

BTW if KSA wanted it could carpet bomb all of Yemen within 1 week but there is something called the international community, rules of war and the fact that Yemenis are our brothers and sisters and that we did not wish this conflict to even begin. Not to mention that Houthis/Saleh are hiding among civilians and using them as human shields. A very common tactic that weaker opponents employ in order to gain sympathy from locals. So whenever KSA bombs a Houthi/Saleh position from air or land, and if civilians caught in the fire die, Houthis/Saleh will gain sympathy.

And how would people on both sides go crazy in fanatic idolism of their brave leaders and their country's abilities. When states see that the masses are uneasy, they whip them into a religious fervour or into a patriotic one. Back and forth they go, creating fanatics out of otherwise pleasant people.


tag me to detailed analysis of the war effort if you have a thread here, or please share a good site where one can find out about the current strategies and their effects. I think frankly that more troops should be committed to push near the border region to create a larger buffer. But then again I could be wrong.

Yemeni media and Arab forums are those that follow the conflict the most. I have noticed (English media) that Gulf News is doing a great job too. They tend to post articles about Yemen and the situation quite often.

 

[Gufi]

Yemeni media and Arab forums are those that follow the conflict the most. I have noticed (English media) that Gulf News is doing a great job too. They tend to post articles about Yemen and the situation quite often.

My arabic is decent, any authentic link would do.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

My arabic is decent, any authentic link would do.

http://defense-arab.com/vb/forums/75/

Most accurate map to date. Updated on a daily basis:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1pHjrQ5D6m8tFA51n4E_cDTmp4uo&shorturl=1&ll=14.042493853045785,44.625985852261465&z=6

A weekly/daily occurrence:

https://twitter.com/x/status/878615936110129154

BTW as I wrote in the two previous posts, KSA's involvement in Yemen is mostly confined to support on the ground, training the new Yemeni army, air support, aid etc. There cannot be any mass-intensive invasion or air bombardment of the remaining densely populated cities that remain in control of Houthis/Saleh for various reasons. Some that I have already mentioned. I imagine the Yemeni army to do most of the fighting by now which is what they are supposed to be doing as KSA/Arab coalition can't stay in Yemen forever or babysit that country. Yemenis would also prefer to deal with their problem on their own with welcome help. Understandable. This is also the long-term solution. The problem with Yemen was is a weak state apparatus and many other issues. Yemen is similar to Afghanistan in that aspect and other ones.

 

[Big Tank]

Read post 68 instead of blabbering nonsense.

Your map is outdated. Mine is from 17 July 2017 and from a non-biased (objective) source based in Denmark. Google Risk Intelligence.

No, they are not. KSA/Arab coalition is in control of most of the biggest cities and that while using a much smaller (20 times smaller) number of soldiers. Most of the current fighting is done by the Yemeni army that the Arab coalition is training. KSA/Arab coalition mainly serve as advisers on the ground and are helping train and restructure the Yemeni army that fell apart when the Houthis invaded Sana'a back in September 2015. 6 months before KSA invaded Yemen.

You are a clown. A certified one.

Go take a look at a topographic map (if you even know what this is) of Yemen before barking nonsense:



"Desert" my ***.

Yes, KSA controlling almost all ports of Yemen (that connect it to the remaining world), 95% of the Saudi-Yemeni border (almost 3000 km long), the economic hub of Yemen (Aden), the oil and gas fields in Yemen etc. is not very strategic.

Guess what, the only port that remains in Houthi/Saleh control is Hudaydah and that port the UN has sanctioned and prevented KSA/Arab coalition from liberating due to the humanitarian situation in Yemen.

UN envoy: We succeeded in preventing a military operation in Hudaydah

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...enting-a-military-operation-in-Hudaydah-.html

KSA/Arab coalition/Yemeni army was otherwise ready to liberate the remaining port in control of Houthis/Saleh.

Mountainous villages on the other hand are very strategic in comparison.

You quite clearly have no clue about this conflict and you don't stand a chance discussing it with me as I follow it on a daily basis and have done so for almost 1000 days in a row now. I have followed events in Yemen on a weekly basis for years before March 2015. Talked about it in detail here as well and elsewhere.

BTW if KSA wanted it could carpet bomb all of Yemen within 1 week but there is something called the international community, rules of war and the fact that Yemenis are our brothers and sisters and that we did not wish this conflict to even begin. Not to mention that Houthis/Saleh are hiding among civilians and using them as human shields. A very common tactic that weaker opponents employ in order to gain sympathy from locals. So whenever KSA bombs a Houthi/Saleh position from air or land, and if civilians caught in the fire die, Houthis/Saleh will gain sympathy.

I already mentioned about the Major and Important Location and clearly mentioned on the map. You fat belly jokers can only bow to the Americans and dance with Donald Trump murdering Muslims all over the world. You sponsor Lashkar e Jhangvi in Pakistan to kill Barelvi Sunnis and Shias. Your agents are dealt properly now. Why did you Prince came up running to us for help? You Saudis have made fun of Islam all over the world.

SLAVES THROUGH THE HISTORY

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I already mentioned about the Major and Important Location and clearly mentioned on the map. You fat belly jokers can only bow to the Americans and dance with Donald Trump murdering Muslims all over the world. You sponsor Lashkar e Jhangvi in Pakistan to kill Barelvi Sunnis and Shias. Your agents are dealt properly now. Why did you Prince came up running to us for help? You Saudis have made fun of Islam all over the world.

SLAVES THROUGH THE HISTORY

You are cute if you think those photos or your nonsense is going to get me angry. Rather the opposite you are humoring me greatly. Keep it up and don't forget to post some photos of your masters, the Iranian Arab wannabes that are wearing black turbans and sitting in palaces in Tehran, Qom, Mashhad and elsewhere.

Anyway you were schooled in this debate and had nothing to say other than posting photos of US presidents bowing down to Kings of KSA and shaking their hands. That's apparently an insult in your eyes. Funny stuff.

Is it now that I am supposed to post photos of Pakistani presidents and US presidents throughout the ages? Don't worry there is as just as much arsenal which must be horrible for you. After all you are an Islamic Republic.