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Shouldn't it be worrying for our foreign office when Saudi media is quoting Indian propaganda piece specially after IK has himself spoken to MBS few days ago regarding Afghanistan? A rebuttal statement is needed by FO spokesperson to counter Indian propaganda machine.
 
The only one believing in PROPAGANDA IS YOU AND ALL OTHERS WHO BELIEVE IRI STANDS FOR ANY ISLAMIC CAUSE...

When has Iran EVER DONE ANYTHING FOR ISLAMIC OR MUSLIM INTEREST? NEVER... IRI ONLY DOES WHAT BENEFITS THE POCKETS OF THE AYATOLLAHS AND THE IRGC GENERALS THAT PROTECT THEIR ARSES.. THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE AVERAGE IRANIAN NOR THE POOR FOREIGN SHIITE THEY USE AS CANNON FODDER.

You don't seem to be familiar with the subject matter.

The IRGC brass are not known for having amassed wealth, nor is the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution. One of the leading reformist dissidents, I believe it was Ataollah Mohajerani who fled Iran in the wake of the US-sponsored colored revolution attempt against the IR in 2009, publicly acknowledged that if there's one thing ayatollah Khamenei cannot be accused of, which even his opponents know full well, it's personal enrichment. Imam Khomeini also led an extremely simple lifestyle, as confirmed by friends and foes alike.

The corrupt elites who enriched themselves in the Islamic Republic are mostly regular politicians, technocrats and some of their friends or relatives. Most of these belong to the liberal camp, meaning that they are actually opposed to the revolutionary principles of the IR and that they strive to operate soft "regime change" from within.

Sure, the Islamic Republic "doesn't care" about average Iranians... and yet, Iran's HDI growth (Human Development Index) since 1979 has been among the world's top 30 according to UN statistics.

THIS IN ITSELF IS A 500 YEAR OLD PROJECT... THE REASON SHAH ISMAIL HIMSELF FORCEFULLY CONVERTED THE POPULATION TO SHIITE BY SWORD WAS TO MAKE IRAN DIFFERENT FROM ITS SUNNI OTTOMAN/MUGHAL NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE FOREIGN RELIGIOUS INFLUENCE.

The majority of Iran's population was Shia already when the Safavid dynasty was established. The Safavids instituted Shia Islam in an official manner mainly for state-building and nation-building purposes.

THIS IS WHY TODAY YOU SEE A HISTORICAL RELIGIOUS CULT THAT WAS NEVER EVEN .1% OF EARLY MUSLIM POPULATION BEING 90% OF MUSLIMS IN IRAN TODAY. THE WHOLE CULT WAS DEVISED IN A WAY SO THAT THE IRANIAN ELITE ALWAYS HAD A LONG ARM OF RELIGIOUS/MILITARY INFLUENCE, BECAUSE IT FELT IT BECAME IRRELEVENT THAT DAY HAZRAT UMAR CONQUERED ISFAHAN & THE PERSIAN EMPIRE.

Are you referring to Shia Islam as a "cult"? That would be borderline sectarianist.

Also historic facts are getting mixed up in the above quote. Iranian elites of Sunni denomination played a central role in the Abbasid califate's administration. Also, early Muslim Iranian states governed by locals such as the Samanid Empire had Sunni rulers. In other terms, local elites never became irrelevant in Iran, regardless of their religious background. As for Isfahan, it was not a particularly large or important town at the time of the Arab conquest, so not sure why it is being singled out here.

THUS YOU SEE A WICKED PROPAGATION OF RELIGION BY THE IRI IN A DECEITFUL WAY THAT ONLY TARGETS ISLAM AT THE END OF THE DAY.

How can the propagation of a branch of Islam "target" Islam? This said, Iran has allies and partners among every major sect of Islam, and even among non-Muslims (Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba etc). Whilst Iran's efforts are directed towards resisting the zio-American empire's oppressive hegemony and inviting Muslims of all denominations to join the struggle.

IRI RAILS AGAINST THE "EVIL ZIONIST STATE", YET IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MILLIONS OF SUNNI LIVES IN IRAQ/IRAN/LEBANONYEMEN/ AND EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT SYRIA ASTAGFURULLAH... YET WE HAVE 3RD GRADE "PAKISTANIS/PPP/SECULARIST SHIA" THAT WILL ALWAYS BE A TROJAN HORSE FOR PAKISTAN.

"Millions" of "Sunni lives"? Yet another baseless figure. But more importantly, none of the cited wars - Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, was really fought along sectarian lines.

Western- and Isra"el"i-backed insurgents in Syria killed tens of thousands of Sunni Muslims from the ranks of Iran's ally, the Syrian Arab Army.

In Lebanon, Iran's partner Hezbollah kicked out zionist occupation forces after years of guerilla war, and in 2006 resisted another zionist aggression.

In Iraq, Iran's contribution consisted in helping erase "I"SIS. I would never classify "I"SIS terrorists as typical "Sunnis", I would not even consider them as Sunnis. In addition to this, Iran cooperated with common Sunni Iraqis, who have brigades of their own inside the pro-Iranian PMU (Popular Mobilization Units).

In Yemen, the two sides in the war comprise both Sunni and Shia Muslims.

NOW WATCH THEM SLOWLY APPEAR 1 BY 1 LIKE WACK A MOLE... ITS IN THEIR RELIGION/GENETICS TO BE IN HIDING, UNLIKE OUR SAHABA.

Unnecessary racialist & sectarianist incitement. Reported.
 
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rebuttal statement never works.

Wait for few weeks/months when Talibans consolidates their position. They will come hard against any pro-Indian Afghanis. For now focus should be on forming the govt which has now started taking too much time. At the moment, fall of Kabul is hot topic in every media of the world as everyone's eye is on Taliban and their next move.
 

What is these guys problem?

First of all Pakistan never intervened in Panjsher and all are just social media fake news but Iran has decided to name Pakistan for the alleged intervention
If you remember the NA was previously supported by Iran. They used it as a centre of their influence to dictate terms in Afghanistan. The current Taliban are majority Pushtun and Sunni . The NA had Shia influence( although I cannot remember how much). I think there is a genuine concern in the Iranian circles that losing this influence will not be good for them. I also think the current storm like take over of its adjacent areas has not only taken it by surprise, but also will be viewed with some concern as it could give the Sunni population Of Iran the wrong ideas. This is why they want to put pressure on Pakistan. If you see the language used, what it means is they are open to downplaying this if their concerns of their influence base are duly considered. However if not they are willing to exploit it to gain any traction they can. Unfortunately, every nation has its own sovereign interests and Iranian interests rely on looking after Shia population in other countries and use them to exert pressure to advance its religiopolitical aims and objectives.
 
Iran will not recognize a taliban head chopping government though. Taliban have a really bad name/reputation in IRan. They have executed Iranian diplomats, and acted like medieval savages in the 90s to be honest. it would be terrible PR for the Iranian government domestically and internationally to be linked with this.. "Iran recognized taliban government massacres X, chops Ys head off etc.etc.." especially if prominent leaders such as masood start losing their heads.. not to mention the millions of afghans refugees that will flood Iran and cause potential economic/security problems.

Iran will definitely recognize a Taliban-led government as long as the latter respect the assurances they gave Iran. Iran's embassy in Kabul is still functioning.

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Iranians themselves set the benchmark mark when it comes to attacking embassies.


Nobody was killed in the event though. Detainees were treated humanely, female and African-American employees released immediately on the first day.

Iran on the other hand has had several of its diplomatic missions bombed (by fighter jets in Yemen, by terrorists in Lebanon), diplomats abducted and mistreated (by US occupation troops in Erbil, northern Iraq), imprisoned under bogus pretexts (as recently in Belgium) and brutally assassinated (like in Afghanistan in the early 90's). In fact, Iran tops the list of victims when it comes to violence against embassy and consulate personnel.

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The Taliban should profoundly apologize to Iran, it seems Iran has also laid ownership of Panjshir.. foolish Taliban trying to meddle with Iranians affairs inside their own country by liberating the last resistance stronghold.. I can't wait when the Ayatollah scolds PMIK inside the Pakistani secretariat, for leaving the lights on past curfew...

Well, at the end of the day it will be up to the Taleban to decide whether they wish to maintain the promising new relationship with Iran they've been working on for the past few years, including through numerous bilateral meetings. As a large neighbor hosting some 4 million Afghan nationals and the biggest exporter to Afghanistan, Iran has legitimate interests with regards to that country. Iran and the Taleban pretty much reached an agreement to enable mutually constructive ties.

If the Taleban believe it's not worth accommodating Iran's concerns and decide to adopt a hostile line - something extra-regional, imperialist powers and mainly the US are very much inciting them to do, then Tehran would certainly adjust its policies accordingly. If it came to this however, it definitely wouldn't be in any of the regional actors' interest (neither the Taleban, nor Iran, nor Pakistan). Only the zio-American empire would immediately stand to benefit.

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I thought this operation was against ISIS. The same ISIS which came transported through Iran.

Source? "I"SIS are not allowed through Iran.

Qatar is close to Taliban. Qatar is arabic country. Qatar is claimed by Iran.

Iran has no claims on Qatari territory and has regular diplomatic ties with Doha.

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Shia guards use to poison food of Sunni prisoners in Iraq. They would add crushed glass into prisoners food. US military police sole job was to stop Iraqi prison guards and cooks from killing prisoners.

Is there evidence for these assertions? As for benevolent American prison guards, have you heard of Abu Ghraib and the systematic abuses committed there by US occupation forces on Iraqi detainees?

As per declassified Al qaida letter, son of Bin Laden who went to Iran along with his family was imprisioned and were psychologically tortured. Pregnant Wife of Bin laden son was denied emergency medical treatment by Iranians until their unborn child died.

Americans claim the opposite: namely that Iran has been hosting and supporting these Al-Qaida elements.

The most probable hypothesis is that they were held under normal conditions, sometimes even just put under house arrest and neither eliminated nor allowed to operate from Iran.

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Iran's FM complaining about fictitious Pakistani operation whilst their own interventions run the length and depth of the Arab world. You literally couldn't make it up.

Iran's FM didn't complain nor mention Pakistan, brother. Only some media reports did.

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a certain Sect members will make every excuse to prove the news wrong

Shia Pakistanis reading the kind of sectarianist incitement encountered in this thread will come to realize how the hostility promoted by certain quarters is not merely directed at Iran as a foreign government, but includes them as a community due to their religious background.

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Surprised and disappointed.

What I don't get is why NOW?

If Iran wanted to be a spoiler, it could have done that when Taliban were taking over or were about to take over, but it didn't.

Why now? What's the catch?

No, I'm not looking for some diplomatic morality infused comment. I am talking about geo political interests/leverage of Iran which she wants to extract from somebody by making a fuss out of it NOW? Who is that somebody? US? Europeans? or anyone else? And what exactly is that interest/leverage?

I don't think it's meant to extract concessions from a third party. In my opinion, it's either one of the two following possibilities:

* Some of the local leaders killed during the Taleban operation in Panjshir used to have friendly relations with Iran.

* No local partners of Iran were killed, but Tehran is worried that this might set a precedent whereby the Taleban would get emboldened - with additional direct or indirect encouragement from the US regime, to proceed with force against other political groups in Afghanistan, including ones which are really allied with Iran.

Or maybe, it's yet another issue unbeknownst to the public. But whatever the reason may be, the nature of the Iranian spokesperson's statements make it clear that Iran has not reversed its stance on the Taleban, but is in fact communicating a certain message it hopes will not fall on deaf ears in Kabul.

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They didn't expect the lightening taliban campaign that captured the whole country within days instead of months that was estimated by everyone. They were waiting for the US to withdraw and then they would have slithered into western Afghanistan. ANA folded even before the US withdrew and Taliban went after border areas first instead of major cities. They blocked any aid from north or western neighbors to play the spoiler. Iran is now acting indignant as their plans for Afghanistan went up in smoke.

I doubt it. Because Iran established regular contacts with the Taleban and started negotiations with them years ago. So Tehran is likely to have anticipated recent developments.

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Why did the foreign minister talk about Pakistan's meddling when Pakistan never speaks about Iran's meddling in Syria and elsewhere?

The Iranian Foreign Minister never mentioned Pakistan, brother. A journalist asked the Foreign Ministry's spokesman about reports of Pakistani involvement, and the spokesman just replied that such reports will need to get investigated, ie he neither named Pakistan nor confirmed said reports.

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Does Iran want a war with us?

A war, simply for verbally disagreeing with a particular Taleban operation? It's a bit far fetched.
 
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Let me be very clear. Don't complain if any sectarian Flaming is kicked out of the Forum. Whether in reference or not, whether condemning or not, since news is about strategic discussion, it should remain on point. I wouldn't send another reminder.

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Time to back up your words!!! ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓

Considering the Tehrani Cult to be the well wishers of Muslims would be the biggest mistake, they are highly motivated by their cult and their actions and interventions proved it from time and time again, Trusting Irani's is like trusting a snake to not bite you. These People are raised to believe fairy tales so I am not surprised they see that invisible support of Pakistan against Panjshir, Maybe Ayatuallah can shoot lasers from his eyes to defeat the evil Pakistani's here.

@Areesh just wait and watch on this very Thread, a certain Sect members will make every excuse to prove the news wrong and they will go as far as accepting that Pakistan is indeed helping because their loyalties lies with their cult who is run from Tehran and not with Pakistan, that is why I say that we don't have Pakistani's in Pakistan unfortunately.
 
Source? "I"SIS are not allowed through Iran.

They didn't appear till the news appeared from Syria about proxy trading.

Iran and Tajikistan are only 2 countries where these fighters could have come into Afghanistan.
 
They didn't appear till the news appeared from Syria about proxy trading.

Iran and Tajikistan are only 2 countries where these fighters could have come into Afghanistan.

"I"SIS-K consists of local Afghans (dissident ex-Taleban) and of people from places such as Uzbekistan, Xinjiang, and so on. Any terrorist joining them from Syria or Iraq could have been flown in by NATO military aircraft, as former Afghan president Hamid Karzai hinted to (indeed, land routes aren't the only ones available), and moreover Afghanistan has land borders to other countries than Iran and Tajikistan. Iran for its part has been in the business of crushing "I"SIS and its predecessor groups like "I"S wherever they reared their ugly heads.
 
"I"SIS-K consists of local Afghans (dissident ex-Taleban) and of people from places such as Uzbekistan, Xinjiang, and so on. Any terrorist joining them from Syria or Iraq could have been flown in by NATO military aircraft, as former Afghan president Hamid Karzai hinted to (indeed, land routes aren't the only ones available), and moreover Afghanistan has land borders to other countries than Iran and Tajikistan. Iran has been in the business of crushing "I"SIS and its predecessor groups like "I"S wherever they reared their ugly heads.

Yeah that's what i am saying, Iran needs ISIS as a cover up to what then it believes is legit grounds for intervention.
 
People here just want an excuse to hate Iran!
When you hear these chants of death to Pakistan in a brotherly country

What do you think we should assume?

It was never about hating a country especially a Muslim country we share so many cultural ties with - our culture is deeply inspired by Iran

Why would we in our right mind go out of our way to hate a country like that?

Like you guys are refusing to see the problem here that we are facing for decades

Iran is not looking at us a as a friend, they're trying to purposely make an enemy out of Pakistan when we have absolutely no desire to do so

And isn't Iran a muslim country fighting for the oppressed?

Well Indians politicians have talked about killings and mass rapes of our people, we are fighting for our sovereignty for decades

Thiers no other country facing the onslaught more than us cause we haven't capitulated in decades

In this environment instead of hearing that Iran and and our west in general got our back

We are hearing death to Pakistan and just a negative atmosphere in general

Put yourself in our shoes and tell me how's that supposed to make you feel?

Instead of helping us in our struggle, Iran is creating hostilities

Only reason you don't see a more hostile public is because only recently our parents generations loved Iran, our relationship with Iran was like what we currently have with Turkey

This historical soft spot means that we are still not angry just a bit annoyed
As soon as there is some discord between two Muslim groups one of them always start simping for apartheid State.
This, our issues are our issues

Isreal shouldn't be used for settlement
 
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