Iran confirms possesing 4 S-300 PT systems

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Iran claims to have S-300 surface-to-air missiles
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI (AP) –

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The Associated Press: Iran claims to have S-300 surface-to-air missiles

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran has obtained four S-300 surface-to-air missiles despite Russia's refusal to deliver them to Tehran under a valid contract, a semiofficial Iranian news agency claimed Wednesday.

The Fars news agency, which has ties to Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard, Iran's most powerful military force, said Iran received two missiles from Belarus and two others from another unspecified source. Fars didn't elaborate, and there was no immediate official confirmation of the report.

Russia signed a contract in 2007 to sell S-300 missiles to Iran, a move that would have substantially boosted the country's defense capacities. Israel fears that supplying S-300s to Iran would change the military balance in the Middle East.

The S-300 anti-aircraft missile defense system is capable of shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missile warheads at ranges of over 90 miles (144 kilometers) and at altitudes of about 90,000 feet (27,432 meters).

Russia said in June that the new tough U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iran prevent Russia from delivering the missiles to Iran but Iran has insisted that Moscow is under an obligation to carry out the contract to provide the S-300 missiles to Tehran.

"Iran possesses four S-300 PT missiles," Fars reported.

 

[P.kid]

what next? they posses f22 raptors and Sukhoi PAK FA's.

 

[Thomas]

When Iran try's to pass off welded steel drums as S300's in it's parades. How does it expect anyone to believe this announcement? The proof is in the pudding so to speak. If they have them they will show up on sat photo's and so far they do not. Otherwise what good are they if they are not fielded? The PT model is also 70's era technology

I might add to that even if they do have them, 4 systems is not that many. Their existence would simply change what tactics are used in an initial attack.

 

[graphican]

When Iran try's to pass off welded steel drums as S300's in it's parades. How does it expect anyone to believe this announcement? The proof is in the pudding so to speak. If they have them they will show up on sat photo's and so far they do not. Otherwise what good are they if they are not fielded? The PT model is also 70's era technology

I might add to that even if they do have them, 4 systems is not that many. Their existence would simply change what tactics are used in an initial attack.

Thomas,

You fail you justify any reason why USA or Israel would attack it? And as far as Israeli Bravery is concerned, i bet they wouldn't move in inch if they have 1% doubt that Iran would have that. People who shoot 6 months old babies are identified as coward not braves and coward doesn't fight.

I pray and hope Iran has got what it is disclosing.

 

[Jigs]

So where are these S-300 systems ? Pictures ? Nope yeah didn't think so.

 

[Thomas]

Here is some info on the S300 PT
S-300


S-300P (SA-10)

The S-300PT (transliterated from Russian С-300П, NATO reporting name SA-10a GRUMBLE) is the original version of the S-300 system which became operational in 1978. In 1987 over 80 of these sites were active, mainly in the area around Moscow. The P suffix stand for PVO-Strany (air defence system). An S-300PT unit consists of a 36D6 (NATO reporting name TIN SHIELD) surveillance radar, a 30N6 (FLAP LID) fire control system and 5P85-1 launch vehicles. The 5P85-1 vehicle is a semi-trailer truck. Usually a 76N6 (CLAM SHELL) low altitude detection radar is also a part of the unit

This system broke substantial new ground, including the use of a phased array radar and multiple engagements on the same FCS. Nevertheless, it had some limitations. It took over 1 hour to set up this semi-mobile system for firing and the hot vertical launch method employed scorched the TEL.

It was originally intended to fit the Track Via Missile (TVM) guidance system onto this model. However, the TVM system had problems tracking targets below 500m. Rather than accept the limitation, the Soviets decided that the tracking of low altitude targets was a must and decided to use a pure command-guidance system until the TVM head was ready[4]. This allowed the minimum engagement altitude to be set at 25m.

Improvements to the S-300P have resulted in several major subversions for both the internal and the export market. The S-300PT-1 and S-300PT-1A (SA-10b/c) are incremental upgrades of the original S300PT system. They introduce the 5V55KD missile and the cold launch method thereafter employed. Time to readiness was reduced to 30 minutes (broadly comparable to Patriot) and trajectory optimizations allowed the 5V55KD to reach a range of 75 km.

The S-300PS/S-300PM (Russian C-300ПC/C-300ПМ, NATO reporting name SA-10d/e) was introduced in 1985 and is the only version thought to have been fitted with a nuclear warhead. This model saw the introduction of the modern TEL and mobile radar and command-post vehicles that were all based on the MAZ-7910 8x8 truck. This model also featured the new 5V55R missiles which increased maximum engagement range to 90 km (56 mi) and introduced a terminal semi-active radar homing (SARH) guidance mode. The surveillance radar of these systems was designated 30N6. Also introduced with this version was the distinction between self propelled and towed TELs. The towed TEL is designated 5P85T. Mobile TELs were the 5P85S and 5P85D. The 5P85D was a "slave" TEL, being controlled by a 5P85S "master" TEL. The "master" TEL is identifiable thanks to the large equipment container behind the cabin; in the "slave" TEL this area is not enclosed and is used for cable or spare tire storage.

The next modernisation, called the S-300PMU (Russian C-300ПМУ, US DoD designation SA-10f) was introduced in 1992 for the export market and featured the upgraded 5V55U missile which still utilised the intermediate SARH terminal guidance method and smaller warhead of the 5V55R but increased the engagement envelope to give this missile roughly the same range and altitude capabilities as the newer 48N6 missile (max. range 150 km/93 mi). The radars were also upgraded, with the surveillance radar for the S-300PMU being designated 64N6 (BIG BIRD) and the illumination and guidance radar being designated 30N6-1 in the GRAU index

 

[Thomas]

Thomas,

You fail you justify any reason why USA or Israel would attack it? And as far as Israeli Bravery is concerned, i bet they wouldn't move in inch if they have 1% doubt that Iran would have that. People who shoot 6 months old babies are identified as coward not braves and coward doesn't fight.

I pray and hope Iran has got what it is disclosing.

The reason is well known and has been discussed at length on these forums. Whether you agree with the reasoning or not doesn't matter. It is far more likely that unless Iran backs down. (which I doubt they will) There will be a war to take out Iran's nuke sites. And Iran having 1970's era S300's is not going to stop that.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the question is not what it can stop the question is can they reverse engineer it

Just like Iranian engineers working with Stolen Sukhoi engines and bought from black market to reverse engineer it for future Tom Cat with Iranian Avionics /Radars

 

[Pasban]

Surprisingly, I have found no mention of this on the FARS news agency website (in both English and Farsi) itself though the AP article quotes them.

 

[Pasban]

Well the question is not what it can stop the question is can they reverse engineer it

Just like Iranian engineers working with Stolen Sukhoi engines and bought from black market to reverse engineer it for future Tom Cat with Iranian Avionics /Radars

I'd like to know the source for that information for it is a first for my ears. To my knowledge, Iran has had no intention to reverse-engineer/ copy the F-14 (currently and previously) and neither has any such plan been made available for the future. Iran has on the other hand has gleaned some design and similar knowledge from them and manufactures certain reverse-engineered parts to keep them in working condition.

 

[T-Rex]

The reason is well known and has been discussed at length on these forums. Whether you agree with the reasoning or not doesn't matter. It is far more likely that unless Iran backs down. (which I doubt they will) There will be a war to take out Iran's nuke sites. And Iran having 1970's era S300's is not going to stop that.

Let's assume that Iran does not possess the S-300, so what's keeping Washington and Telaviv from attacking Iran ? Now, don't tell me that they expect Iran to back-down.

 

[Jigs]

Let's assume that Iran does not possess the S-300, so what's keeping Washington and Telaviv from attacking Iran ? Now, don't tell me that they expect Iran to back-down.

VIPS Sends Memo To Obama Warning Israel May Bomb Iran "As Early As This Month" | zero hedge

The Steering Group of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) which consists of Phil Giraldi, former CIA (20 years), Larry Johnson, former CIA; DoS, (24 years), W. Patrick Lang, Col., USA, Special Forces (ret.); Director of HUMINT Collection, Defense Intelligence Agency (30 years), Ray McGovern, US Army Intelligence Officer, CIA (30 years), Coleen Rowley, FBI (24 years), and Ann Wright, Col., US Army Reserve (ret.), (29 years); Foreign Service Officer, Department of State (16 years), have penned a memo to the president in an attempt to alert him "to the likelihood that Israel will attack Iran as early as this month. This would likely lead to a wider war."

Who knows when or which country will strike first. I think Israel is trying to get the U.S. involved since they imo lack the means to cripple Iran like the U.S. does. U.S. is probably pressuring Israel to not do anything yet.

 

[Thomas]

Let's assume that Iran does not possess the S-300, so what's keeping Washington and Telaviv from attacking Iran ? Now, don't tell me that they expect Iran to back-down.

In my opinion a combination of giving sanctions a chance to work in order to appease other countries. And at the same time preparing the Gulf countries defenses for any possible Iranian counter attacks.

Look at what has taken place since even Obama took office. Israel has received an early warning radar capable of seeing all missile launches, as well as Aircraft take off and landings in about 80% of Iran. The U.S. sixth fleet now has a permanent duty station off Lebanon. This is to provide another layer of missile defense to Israel and Europe. The Gulf countries have received major missile defense upgrades as well. Large stocks of smart munitions, and naval missiles have been pre-positioned at Diego Garcia.

Sanctions have also gained more support from some that were totally against them before. Sooner or later though it will become evident to all. That most likely Iran will not give into sanctions and that the military option is the only action left. Also with the draw down of troops in Iraq. Those troops will no longer be vulnerable to Iranian attack either by proxy or direct attack.

 

[CardSharp]

In my opinion a combination of giving sanctions a chance to work in order to appease other countries. And at the same time preparing the Gulf countries defenses for any possible Iranian counter attacks.

Look at what has taken place since even Obama took office. Israel has received an early warning radar capable of seeing all missile launches, as well as Aircraft take off and landings in about 80% of Iran. The U.S. sixth fleet now has a permanent duty station off Lebanon. This is to provide another layer of missile defense to Israel and Europe. The Gulf countries have received major missile defense upgrades as well. Large stocks of smart munitions, and naval missiles have been pre-positioned at Diego Garcia.

Sanctions have also gained more support from some that were totally against them before. Sooner or later though it will become evident to all. That most likely Iran will not give into sanctions and that the military option is the only action left. Also with the draw down of troops in Iraq. Those troops will no longer be vulnerable to Iranian attack either by proxy or direct attack.

Do you really think they are going to bomb the bomb? I mean these enrichment facilities are pretty low tech and decentralized. I doubt pure air strikes can stop Iran from getting the bomb and arms control guys from the New America Foundation says so too.

Joshua Pollack • On Bombing the Bomb

And what about the fact that Turkey has closed its airspace to Israeli Jets.


http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/post...rflights_making_an_strike_on_iran_less_likely

Turkey's post-flotilla decision to close its airspace to Israeli military flights seems to me to make it less likely that Israel could carry out an airstrike against Iran. I don't think they can fly the straight Jordan-Iraq-Iran route, which leaves going through either Saudi or Turkish airspace. As I understand the mechanics of the flight, the Turkish route would be the easier one -- you take off in Israel, top off on fuel a tanker orbiting over the Mediterranean, and then shoot east just north of the Turkish-Syrian border, then pop back out to refuel again before landing.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I'd like to know the source for that information for it is a first for my ears. To my knowledge, Iran has had no intention to reverse-engineer/ copy the F-14 (currently and previously) and neither has any such plan been made available for the future. Iran has on the other hand has gleaned some design and similar knowledge from them and manufactures certain reverse-engineered parts to keep them in working condition.

Well they have multiple planes that are un commissioned and I am positive these engines must have been opened up long time ago

The sukhoi engines went missing few years ago and if reached iranian engineers well you know , anything can happen

Sure it might not be used in the Tom Cats but I am sure Iran can make , a "Similar plane" , they already know how to devop missiles and radar tracking items etc its not a big leap