The components are literally already completely replaced with domestic Turkish made ones.
No, I am afraid they are not. Turkey is
trying to do that, but that has yet to come to fruition.
The reason why they didn’t do this before was to keep costs as low as possible whilst still getting most out of the drone. Its why most components were entirely from civilian commercial ones. These aren’t high end components or technological marvels, with the sole exception being the Canadian wescam. The sanctions don’t actually effect products meant for the civilian market, it just that these companies individually chose to embargo Turkey based entirely on Armenians bitching. No actual state level embargo or ban is in place. Just because you are to stupid to understand the fundementals of a defence industry doesnt mean your country is better lol.
Repeating the same thing will not make it true. Turkey could not produce those components to begin with, thus this notions that it was importing just for economical reasons is something that is merely an excuse you're putting forward. Not sure why you think it will be accepted when it is so blatantly obvious to be false.
Even if this was being widely used, which it is not, where is the sensors being made for this? Presumably it is still being imported.
So this is the technological marvel with which you think Iran stands above Turkey? A half assed replica of a downed American drone?
That American drone is decades ahead of anything your country (or most other nations) can produce, so even if it was just a "half assed" system, it is still far beyond your capability. Do not underestimate that UAV.
This is quite a joke indeed considering in terms of performance it doesn’t even come close to even decent MALE-class Turkish equivalents.
You're comparing a stealthy jet powered UCAV to piston powered UAVs whose engine you cannot even produce by yourself. Comparing apples and oranges again.
Quite hilarious how you think a copying a drone, which is entirely impossible to do completely as evident by its much smaller size lmao.
Oh dear, another proof of the fact you comment without doing the basic level research. That is one drone in that family, a 1:1 sized system also exists:
The foundation of your entire industry rests on reverse-engineering, copying and cloning existing systems and subsystems, yet this chaotic embargo ridden industry you call “defence industry” is supposed to match Turkey’s?
Again you're just repeating yourself. I have already explained to you that reverse engineering is >>>>> than importing hardware like Turkey does. Turkey's entire defence industry is heavily reliant on import of parts. You have done a good job with final design in many causes, but when one looks inside, you'll see many flags.
I dunno about this Simorgh drone but the TB-2 doesnt need to proof anything to anyone.
You need to prove you can build it without importing most its hardware, that's the important part.
The results and its reputation speaks entirely for itself. I
You mean being shot down dozen of time? Sorry, there is nothing impressive here. Even against nations with antiquated air defence you lost dozens of them.
has ruthlessly hunted down and destroyed a mind boggling amount of Russian air defence systems in Syria,
Most of which were propaganda invented by Turkey. The few instants where we actually see it destroy air defence, they were mostly either old systems or systems not even in active mode as evident by the fact their radars were not in search mode i.e rotating. It has had some successes, but nowhere near the level that your propaganda is claiming.
Not necessarily. The TB-2 is particularly smaller than most well-known “conventional” MALE-class drones,
Not really, it is more or less a normal size:
Heron:
Orion:
Even the likes of MQ-1 are similar size.
which could become the size of propeller aircrafts in many cases. Along with its sleek design and composite material being used makes it much harder to detect.
No proof of that whatsoever, the fact it has been shot down so many times is a counter to that.
It’s the different being a tactical and MALE-class drone. Even though it wasn’t designed to be stealth, by its very nature it becomes very stealthy.
Oh please, you're just making mockery out of yourself with these statements.
Production rate of the 48 drones per year is an impressive number when your drones are as capable as the TB-2 has proven itself to be.
Your definition of "impressive" is upside down. Do the basic mathematics and realise on average how many that would be per week. For a UAV of that low tech, this is nothing to brag about. Of course I am not surprised with this low figure given Turkey has a bottleneck i.e needing to be provided with the components from the outside.
Atleast try to hide your inferiority complex and blatant jealousy.
Yes, Iran a country that is producing its own hardware will be jealous of a nation that cannot produce most of its own subsystems?
They arent invincible machines but they are have destroyed billions of dollors worth of equipment by itself.
That is a quality of UAVs in general. If a nation is not prepared to deal with them, this damage is something to be expected. This does not mean however that your UAVs are anything to brag about.
Most of them have actually been shut down in Libya because they took off from bases that were very close to the frontline, In actuall combat situation it has proven its worth
So in other word, when you attempted to use them in a proper contested zone they were shown to be mostly useless. Which is what we would expect. UAVs have their uses, but they're no sliver bullet.
Its full use in the Karabagh war speaks for itself. It litteraly destroyed billions of dollars worth of equipement before they got a singe Bayraktar drone.
See above for my reply to this claims.
Its why there are nearly a dosen country waiting in line to buy the TB-2. Eat your heart out
Good luck with that. Why would nations purchase ftom Turkey which itself is a client state of other nations when it comes to underlying hardware? They're much more likely to purchase from nations that can provide for most of the UAVs themselves.
Another of your yearly drones you shit out? Seems you are good at making all these drones but most either don’t see production or are produced in limited numbers.
That UAV is in active production and is being produced in the needed quantities. Iran has dozens of different types of UAVs that are being produced for different sectors/needs.
Why is that again? They are certainly not the same class considering we actually get customers who buy our products whilst you at best sell them to your “non-state actors”.
That's because Iran had been under an embargo and could not sell on the open market. You should know about sanctions given how Canada sanctioned your UAVs by refusing to provide with needed parts. Difference is, Iran was under far more severe sanctions.
Based on what exactly? Do you actually even have a jet powered drone? From what i can tell the Simorgh actually has propellers (probably another ROTAX clone engine).
I literally posted one in my previous comment, are you not fully reading these comments?
f you want a good view of the Turkish defence industry maybe take a good look at the big boys such as TAI Anka, Aksungur and Akinci before you start flapping those lips of yours. We litteraly have a HALE-class drone in the form of Akinci, where was yours again?
And like I mentioned in my previous post to this very statement, those UAVs are all using Ukrainian engines. Without those engines, you have no UAV. This is tantamount to bragging you made your own supercar but you're importing its engine.
I cant see them among the all crap you have copied and shit out over the years. The drones arent even Iranian by design and yet you think you are a drone power lmao?
Vast majority of Iranian UAVs are indeed Iranian designs. Morever, even if Iran has taken certain Americans systems down and used them to build its UAV industry, that is a very pragmatic approach. It makes no difference one way or another, those UAVs in the end have to be built in Iran using Iranian technology. You see, Iran is not relying on Cananda or UK.
Its funny because this completely applies to you and your compatriots. Your entire drone industry is based on copied and reverse-engineered systems. We are well aware of our position and ranking in the global drone market dont you worry, time for your copy-pasting *** to sit down now.
I wonder how many times you will try to repeat this "reverse engineering" post as if it is anything to be looked down on.
It certainly does. This is the reason why you have yet to make anything identical or even close to its actual design or performance. That smaller Simorgh speaks for itself.
That comment was debunked, sadly you only demonstrated that you could not even do a 30 second search to see the other sizes of that UAV.
LMAO you still almost solely use the copied ROTAX engine for almost every single drone you shit out, which can muster only about 100hp. Its litteraly used primarely in tactical-class drones. And the rest are much smaller in size and performance as you can obviously see. You want a dick measuring contest? You will have your dick measuring contest. You litteraly cant match the Turkish drone performance by your sheer inability to produce any engine beside the ROTAX you so gladly copied.
It seems to me your strategy here is to pretend you did not see the comments that were previously posted to you. By far the vast majority of Iranian UAVs are using its own designed engines. Since when does ROTAX import engines to Iran? Iran is producing its own version of those engines
TEI PD170 170hp (In-Production)
No, it is not. This is a project that has yet to be used in your UAVs.
TEI PD220 220hp (In-Production)
A CGI, are you serious?
And thats a cute little Turbofan engine you got there. From which engine did you copy that one from again? I keep forgetting which one because there are just so many. Come to me when it either works and gets put into production.
That "cute turbofan" is something your have little hope of producing anything similar in its class in the near future, unless of course you end up importing its subcomponents like most of your other systems.
COMMON SENSE? Do want me to point out that it even looks like a first generation FLIR system that was from the early 2000's.
Your common sense deviated from the normal use of that term. So unfortunately for you, we will require more than that.
This by its very nature cannot be a high-end optic, if you are lucky it might be second gen and even then its already outdated useless. The resolution and capabilties on that thing will be worse then my old nokia phone. I dont even know the specs but a child can see that it certainly doesnt use the latest MWIR-concept/technology.
I am not under the impression Iranian FLIP systems are on par with their western counterparts, the question is can they do the job needed, yes they can. What we were discussing is the importance of Iran being able to produce those systems itself. As you have seen from Turkey, you cannot rely on importing such crucial systems. Sanctions come by very quickly.
Congrats you managed to find out why drones are being used. The same way TB-2 drones avoided and destroyed S-300, you know in ACTUAL combat in ACTUAL war where they were aware of them
Propaganda.
You managed to pull a sneak attack using drones. How awesome of you, You are the next superpower in the world.
Sneak attack on a country that is riddled with early warning radars? At least try to make sense.
Ah so copying and producting a much more inferior product is preferable over buying or developing your own more capable systems?
Preferable over buying? of course. As for development, well that takes time but if you're relying on your own capabilities you will get there.
It literally didnt deny anything lmao.
Of course it did not, because I never claimed Iran is on par with the west in various military hardware.
If you bothered to actual read anything i wrote you would realize this. Its funny how you talk about that i should not only look into my own country's defence industry when you couldnt be bother to the most basic surface level research haha. Everyone knew, except for the uneducated apes that could be bothered.
On the contrary, I have looked into what you have said, it's just that your imagination is not aligned with reality.
Yeah i already posted that everything has already been replaced in litteraly a couple weeks times with domestic equivelants.
PD-177 -> ROTAX
Aselflir CATS -> Wescam MD-15
Not at all, there is no proof this has occurred. From what we can see Turkey is still trying to get its hand on those foreign systems.
See thread below for more details:
And you know what the biggest difference is between Iran and Turkey in terms of drone industry?
Biggest difference is one country produces whilst other mostly imports.
What is this a copy of?
Shahed-129 MALE uav:
whilst people copy from us. Have fun with this one
I can see your imagination is at work again, you see superficial similarities is not the same as "copying". Lets be honest, nobody in their right mind would need to copy anything from Turkey. If they would copy from a nation, they would do so against a nation that is an actual creator of the entire systems. Regarding a nation "copying" a UAV, here is an Iraqi UAV:
www.uasvision.com
Which is based on an older version of the Iranian MALE UAV "Kaman-12":
I couldnt be bother with the rest. To lazy.
Frankly you did not do a very good job with the rest of your comments either, most of them were a half a job as you apparently did not even put a small amount of effort to research prior to clicking the reply botton.
www.reuters.com
